Tossed script: From a village of white picket fences to the Government taking a reserve away ,and deciding to turn your new home into a **** hole.
Sounds like a bad episode of Heartland.
Bremusa
Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike
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Tossed script: From a village of white picket fences to the Government taking a reserve away ,and deciding to turn your new home into a **** hole.
Sounds like a bad episode of Heartland.
Bremusa
Perhaps. Just repeating what a trusted friend and elder told me, but I have first hand evidence of heavy handedness by the government.
I don't remember the name of the reserve she told me about but I can get it from her and check it out.
Have you ever been on any reserves? I have from the richest to the poorest.
I wasn't comparing Theresa to Ghandi .
Reading the thread someone insulted everyone and anyone who goes on a hunger strike.
How is she pimping the "Core" of Idle No More for her own benefit?
And what is the "Core" your alluding to?
So you feel the movement is nothing more than people"making noise, blocking traffic by a bunch of yutzes with chips on their shoulders".
And what would you have this coast to coast platform do exactly?
I don't care for your buddy and his views.
But then again he sounds like he has done something? Who is this guy with chip on his shoulder?
Look I don't know what you want the Natives to do. To get the Government to at least give the same attention they have given Afghanistan is a monumental task.
At the same time it's absurd that Canada is not screaming to help these people.
So far it's pretty tame stuff. They could be taking down power lines, and then offering lessons in camping. Now there's a platform.
Bremusa
It's completely unacceptable that anyone should live in squalor for decades anywhere in Canada.
There are thousands of people living on the streets in winter in one of the richest countries in the world. A few squalid reserves doesn't seem to be on the governments radar. They are more interested in making their rich friends richer.
I realize and know full well the Canadian government has displaced various peoples.
Thats not what caught my eye in your post.
Bremusa
I agree that its completely unacceptable that anyone should live in squalor anywhere in Canada...
I would like to know the exact figures as to how many Native Canadians live in squalor.
The amount of reserves without adequate drinking water or bathing water, I think are higher than a few.
Education standards , and health care availability, are absent. Those would be the basics needs to be addressed.
I am not privy to this first hand and rely on sketchy media reports mostly from the CBC.
When something like The Idle No More movement happens it interests me.
I just think we should fix our own country as well, if are to engage in wars overseas like Afghanistan.
It seems somewhat skewed to do one and not the other.
Bremusa
There is money to be made in war but none to be made in fixing our internal problems. I remember during the vietnam war that many Canadians were smug about us not being involved. They had no clue that Canada supplied the US with helicopter gun ships and napalm. Canada made a lot of money from that war and many since. Canadians expect to maintain a certain life style but have no clue that in order to do so, we must be involved in war so we can support our life style. I think Afghanistan is a case of NATO calling in our chips. If we are to continue making money from war, we have to participate. I think that is also why we bombed the crap out of Libya.
None the less, Those who profit from war, including those whose jobs are directly and indirectly depend on the war machine, are not interested in improving anybody else's life other than their own. We are a very selfish nation, in spite of the propaganda to the contrary. Reading some of the commentary on this forum, it seems that most would rather complain about the very existence of aboriginal peoples and their plight than to do, or have the government do, anything to improve it. I think the same can be said about the plight of most of the poor people in Canada.
How many times have I heard people say, the poor should get off their asses and get a job or that junkies should be locked up. They don't seem to care that most of the visible junkies are mental health patients who got hooked on medically prescribed pharmaceutical drugs in the first place. There seems to very little sympathy toward poor people no matter what their ethnic background is. Aboriginal people have been treated like sub-humans since the first European invaders came here and that prejudice has only subsided slightly. I run into that kind of racism almost daily, and I'm white.
In Campbell River they built a cruiseline terminal. Joint effort between band and gov. Multi-millions of dollars. First thing someone sees when they get off a ship? A mobile home with busted windows. I was embarrased when it opened, and it's no wonder ships aren't coming back.
Kinda like giving a Rolls Royce to a street bum and expecting him to clean up his act. How much was spent trying to improve the reserve before they built the terminal? Who on the reserve benefited from the construction? I've never been to Campbell River so I don't know anything about it.
As for being embarrassed, hell, I'm embarrassed to be white sometimes.
She ****ed up and let her own down. She is just covering her *** and blame shifting and using the Idle No More spotlight for her own purposes. If she was so righteous, why hasn't she cracked open the books on her own rez and prove she isn't a **** up.
You don't know? Why not? To busy having the hide pulled over your eyes by the likes of Spence? Read the article I posted for Dixie Cup. She didn't understand where some waterways issues arise from either. There is plenty of information on health care, prison populations, gang violence, substance abuse, unemployment problems and piss poor management issues.
Not the core who first brought the issues to light no. Just the ones with nothing better to do on a Wednesday morning. It's rapidly becoming the Native version of OWS
That would be speaking as one central group addressing the multitude of regional issues that aren't being represented because they aren't close enough to Hwy 1 for news reporters in skirts and improper footwear to give their issues notice in the public eye.
Why? Because he can take care of himself without crying to the Govt or blaming whitie and is sick and tired of friends and family telling him "you've become one of them" because he did something with his life? He has done something but was made an outcast because of it. WTF is that **** all about? Is that how you form tight cultural bonds with one another? NO. I'm glad he set me straight on some of this.
You tell me.
To take care of themselves. If they want self governance, form a National Native Govt of their own with national clout FFS. What is stopping the better off Rezes from forming a Credit Union and giving business and housing loans to the up and coming Rezes instead of building office complexes,casinos and parkades in urban settings for revenue? industry and agriculture is where the good money is at.
They are already given the tools needed to improve rez life but there are management issues which Spence is a shining example of.
You want them to destroy public property and join Scouts Canada?
Exactly and that is why self-serving scumbags like Spence should be held accountable for her people who are/were living in squalor.
Part of the problem IS that the government pays the same attention as they do to A-stan. WE throw billions of dollars every year at the native problems and have very little to show for it other than a lot of bureaucraps with good pensions and a bunch of chiefs in a similar position.
If you were a tourist would you want to stop in CR? To encourage tourism one has to have something for them to see and do. Not just sell overpriced trinkets. I saw the same thing in the 80's in Pt. Hardy with one of the small cruise ships on the Alaska run. Big flop.
I asked you a few questions and you produce a diatribe of unsubstantiated verse.
This is not debate it's tactic.
Scouts Canada, really now. I do not want "them"to rip down power lines. I expressed a more violent possible form of protest.
I want to address this though for it is important.
Lets jump to "They are already given the tools needed to improve rez life but there are management issues which Spence is a shining example of."
The tools are not effective. We would not have the problems of squalor and all that comes with it.
Public housing is not a tool that works either.
These are political give aways that don't ever fix the problems.
There is the expertise to fix this but it would cost billions, hence my Afghanistan similarity.
The careful planned work in Afghanistan to improve the life of some girls,cost billions.
This is not Afghanistan and the will to fix this problem with today's expertise and the use of the wealth of Canada has not been employed.
You seem to be blaming the down trodden, the depressed the oppressed for not helping them selves.
I don't feel your being realistic at all.
Bremusa
Casinos work close to large populations.
You can't expect a Casino to benefit people so far up north the population is not there. Agriculture can't be introduced in the areas of north where there are huge reservations.It isn't viable even with massive subsidized energy consuming green houses.
So you think natives are not capable of going into space, healing our sick, operating on patients in Toronto hospitals.
Agriculture eh.
So lets create industry for the natives when it isn't viable anywhere else in Canada.
Subsidize it until the tax payer gets drift of this political solution.
Just what sort of industry are you thinking of.
Trained monkeys making glass bottles , thats all they are good for.
Factory style industry is not viable in the far north by the way.
You denigrate them to the status of worker bees.
Thats the problem.
The native populace suffers from inferiority among the white man to this day , for what reason eh?
Bremusa
When the Europeans first came here they found numerous groups of people who did not even work metal and could only be described as savages. There was widespread slavery and murder. When you deal with a group that would give away their souls for fancy colored beads, knives and metal cooking pans you do not immediately educate them, that is not how humans work.
As a member of two completely different groups that were treated thus by a conquering group, i merely get what i can from where i can and continue to survive nicely. Numerous members of my most recent group, which are Canadian natives, have done nothing with the freedom won for them. The freedom to choose their own path in life has been given away for "easier", a typical human frailty.
My first group was Welsh/Irish a great many years back. Seems i need to sue Britain and Italy to get some "easier". Does anybody know how far back the sins of the fathers goes?
Fighting injustice with smoke and feathers whilst blocking highways and railroads sounds cool but wins nothing. It merely reinforces the way natives are viewed. If they are to be accepted as another group of people, which they should now that they have some education, they need to talk, walk, and think just like everyone else. The last thing this country needs is another giant slug of multiculturalism mixed with freebies ending up in the pockets of the well off ones and their lawyers.
That will get you chastised by your friends and family becaue you've become "one of them".
What an interesting way to keep stupidity alive and well. Use an ancient label instead of argument.
Haha, nope, the family that we accept and deal with is nearly all off reserve and just normal people.:lol:
"Numerous members of my most recent group, which are Canadian natives, have done nothing with the freedom won for them. " you say.
I'm ill at the thought you actually believe in that line of bull.
That is why I used the "N" word instead of an euphemism .
No explanation is needed, and I will not apologize, if thats what you had in mind.
Bremusa