Fed up with Islam Yet???

[JLM]

The difference is that in the west we try as much as we can to separate church and state, because everyone knows that religion is the main reason for wars and killing and hatred, and has a very long history of persecution and injustice in the name of their Gods and beliefs.

The risk I see with the Muslim religion is that their religion comes before state, it is their law, and their religion and law are one. Not only that, then want it to supersede our own laws and use our constitutions as grounds to implement their own religious agenda.

But by saying this we are considered to not being politically correct, and we certainly would not want to offend anyone.

WRONG- religion doesn't do anything, it's warped people trying to use religion for nefarious activities!

 

[petros]

I fully agree it is unfair to tar all Muslims with the same brush, BUT we do know that in Muslim nations human rights are curtailed, ESPECIALLY with regards to women. They have very few rights as far as education, freedom of movement, freedom to dress as they want, freedom to form relationships. That would tell me that it is more than a minority of Muslims advocating this, otherwise there would be a major revolution.

Women and kids here aren't opressed or does the opression just look different?

 

[earth_as_one]

Mercaz HaRav massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ma'alot massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ahhh......that would be because Islam IS the main cause when a Muslim goes on a shooting spree.......they are encouraged by the religion and by their leaders to kill Jews.

American Trial Attorneys in Defense of Israel: MEMRI: Egyptian children's television show: 'We must liberate Jerusalem from the hands of the disgusting Jews'

MEMRI: Egyptian Child Preacher Muhammad Osama Recounts Antisemitic Hadith: Jews Hide Behind the Gharqad Tree When Muslims Come to Kill Them on Judgment Day

I suspect Israel wiping Palestine off the map, 60+ years of ethnic cleansing, brutality, oppression, injustice and war are bigger factors than religion.

I fully agree it is unfair to tar all Muslims with the same brush, BUT we do know that in Muslim nations human rights are curtailed, ESPECIALLY with regards to women. They have very few rights as far as education, freedom of movement, freedom to dress as they want, freedom to form relationships. That would tell me that it is more than a minority of Muslims advocating this, otherwise there would be a major revolution.

Every Muslim majority country is a different situation. Some are as bad as you describe and some aren't.

Also many non-Mulsim countries are as bad or worse than the worst Muslim countries.

One common theme which does unite the countries with the most atrocious human rights records. Every one of these countries used to be a European colony or its rulers were installed by Western colonial powers. Likely that has just as much to do with their problems as religion and culture.

 

[petros]

From the man who created the Mujihadeen...

It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries. - Zbigniew Brzezinski

 

[captain morgan]

Many of those brutal ME dictators who cruelly oppress their people were created and are supported by the US or Western colonizing powers. Mubarak of Egypt and the Saudi Royal family are two examples. Bin Laden was able to tap into widespread anger and rage to recruit militants. 9/11 was an inevitable consequence of US foreign policies.

So, the entire responsibility for this lies on the US's shoulders?

What about the leadership in those ME nations that embraced the USA?.. Do they bear no responsibility?

I fully agree it is unfair to tar all Muslims with the same brush, BUT we do know that in Muslim nations human rights are curtailed, ESPECIALLY with regards to women.

Don't forget that there is a strong degree of cultural relativity on this issue. I personally agree with your sentiments, however, imposing Western standards on Middle Eastern culture isn't a fair solution either.

because everyone knows that religion is the main reason for wars and killing and hatred, and has a very long history of persecution and injustice in the name of their Gods and beliefs.

Humanity's track record in persecution, abuse and injustice has been around long before any form of religion existed, unless you are of the belief that the world was bliss and utter happiness prior to religion coming onto the scene.

 

[Colpy]

One common theme which does unite the countries with the most atrocious human rights records. Every one of these countries used to be a European colony or its rulers were installed by Western colonial powers. Likely that has just as much to do with their problems as religion and culture.

EAO, this may be the most ludicrous statement you have ever made on these threads.

The west is the most peaceful, and the freest culture that ever existed on earth.

Almost EVERY place on earth was dominated by the west at one point, which makes your assertion even more irrelevant.

Now, let's look at the worst offenders:

Country Ranking Table 2007

1. North Korea. Exactly when was North Korea controlled by the west???

2. the Sudan Yep. Controlled by the British for about 70 years, and was a madhouse of violence, murder and war both BEFORE and after.

3. Burma. a British colony.....and left with a democratic gov't when the Brits withdrew........they blew that one all on their own.

4. China. although the west exerted great influence in China, they were never controlled by the west.

5. Syria. The table is old, so Syria is probably no. 1 now. A French colony for all of 26 years. Turkish before, independent after.

You really should think before you let your hatred of western freedom and superiority infect your posts with such ludicrous statements.

 

[petros]

Freedom sounds lovely but who are the happiest? What would be better, living in the place with the most freedom or the place with the most happiness?

I'm feeling lazy today, I'd appreciate if somebody ambitioious posted any stats.

Thanks in advance.

 

[JLM]

Freedom sounds lovely but who are the happiest? What would be better, living in the place with the most freedom or the place with the most happiness?

I'm feeling lazy today, I'd appreciate if somebody ambitioious posted any stats.

Thanks in advance.

What do you value most? Your left nut or your right nut?

 

[petros]

Who are the happiest people?

Here is the complete list of happiest countries for 2012

1 Costa Rica
2 Vietnam
3 Colombia
4 Belize
5 El Salvador
6 Jamaica
7 Panama
8 Nicaragua
9 Venezuela
10 Guatemala
11 Bangladesh
12 Cuba
13 Honduras
14 Indonesia
15 Israel
16 Pakistan
17 Argentina
18 Albania
19 Chile
20 Thailand
21 Brazil
22 Mexico
23 Ecuador
24 Peru
25 Philippines
26 Algeria
27 Jordan
28 New Zealand
29 Norway
30 Palestine
31 Guyana
32 India
33 Dominican Republic
34 Switzerland
35 Sri Lanka
36 Iraq
37 Laos
38 Kyrgyzstan
39 Tunisia
40 Moldova
41 United Kingdom
42 Morocco
43 Tajikistan
44 Turkey
45 Japan
46 Germany
47 Syria
48 Austria
49 Madagascar
50 France
51 Italy
52 Sweden
53 Armenia
54 Uzbekistan
55 Georgia
56 Saudi Arabia
57 Paraguay
58 Nepal
59 Cyprus
60 China
61 Myanmar
62 Spain
63 Korea
64 Bolivia
65 Canada
66 Malta
67 Netherlands
68 Yemen
69 Lebanon
70 Finland
71 Poland
72 Malawi
73 Ireland
74 Bosnia and Herzegovina
75 Romania
76 Australia
77 Iran
78 Haiti
79 Serbia
80 Azerbaijan
81 Libya
82 Croatia
83 Greece
84 Malaysia
85 Cambodia
86 Ghana
87 Slovenia
88 Iceland
89 Slovakia
90 Singapore
91 Egypt
92 Czech Republic
93 Uruguay
94 Ethiopia
95 Turkmenistan
96 Namibia
97 Portugal
98 Kenya
99 Zambia
100 Ukraine
101 Sudan
102 Hong Kong
103 Belarus
104 Hungary
105 United States of America
106 Djibouti
107 Belgium
108 Rwanda
109 Afghanistan
110 Denmark
111 Mauritius
112 Comoros
113 Cote d'Ivoire
114 Mozambique
115 Zimbabwe
116 Liberia
117 Estonia
118 Latvia
119 Kazakhstan
120 Lithuania
121 Congo
122 Russia
123 Bulgaria
124 Cameroon
125 Nigeria
126 Senegal
127 Angola
128 Mauritania
129 Burkina Faso
130 United Arab Emirates
131 Uganda
132 Benin
133 Tanzania
134 Congo, Dem. Rep. of the
135 Burundi
136 Trinidad and Tobago
137 Guinea
138 Luxembourg
139 Sierra Leone
140 Macedonia
141 Togo
142 South Africa
143 Kuwait
144 Niger
145 Mongolia
146 Bahrain
147 Mali
148 Central African Republic
149 Qatar
150 Chad
151 Botswana

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Happiest Countries in the World 2012: Happy Nations Complete List | NowPublic News Coverage Happiest Countries in the World 2012: Happy Nations Complete List | NowPublic News Coverage​

 

[Ron in Regina]

Who are the happiest people?

Here is the complete list of happiest countries for 2012​

1 Costa Rica
2 Vietnam
3 Colombia
4 Belize
5 El Salvador
6 Jamaica
7 Panama
8 Nicaragua
9 Venezuela
10 Guatemala
...........
151 Botswana.......​

Weirdly, compared to Canada at 65th place, & just looking at the first and top ten,
I'm guessing the "Happiness" factor might have something to do with the climate
also. With some rampant Global Warming, Canada might just become a happier
place than it currently is?​

Each of these components is based on a separate measure:

Experienced well-being.
If you want to know how well someone’s life is going, your best bet is to ask them directly.
In this year’s HPI, experienced well-being is assessed using a question called the ‘Ladder
of Life’ from the Gallup World Poll. This asks respondents to imagine a ladder, where 0
represents the worst possible life and 10 the best possible life, and report the step of
the ladder they feel they currently stand on.

Life expectancy.
Alongside experienced well-being, the HPI includes a universally important measure of
health – life expectancy. We used life expectancy data from the 2011 UNDP Human Development Report

Ecological Footprint.
The HPI uses the Ecological Footprint promoted by the environmental charity WWF as a
measure of resource consumption. It is a per capita measure of the amount of land
required to sustain a country’s consumption patterns, measured in terms of global
hectares (g ha) which represent a hectare of land with average productive
biocapacity

 

[earth_as_one]

EAO, this may be the most ludicrous statement you have ever made on these threads.

The west is the most peaceful, and the freest culture that ever existed on earth.

Almost EVERY place on earth was dominated by the west at one point, which makes your assertion even more irrelevant.

Now, let's look at the worst offenders:

Country Ranking Table 2007

1. North Korea. Exactly when was North Korea controlled by the west???

2. the Sudan Yep. Controlled by the British for about 70 years, and was a madhouse of violence, murder and war both BEFORE and after.

3. Burma. a British colony.....and left with a democratic gov't when the Brits withdrew........they blew that one all on their own.

4. China. although the west exerted great influence in China, they were never controlled by the west.

5. Syria. The table is old, so Syria is probably no. 1 now. A French colony for all of 26 years. Turkish before, independent after.

You really should think before you let your hatred of western freedom and superiority infect your posts with such ludicrous statements.

Its no more ludicrous than blaming Islam for every crime committed by a Muslim... which was my point. How many of those countries you listed with grave human rights problems are Muslim majorities?

Also I was in China and I can tell you from first hand experience that China today, probably has a better human rights record than the US. In fact human rights have improved so much in China and deteriorated so badly in the US that China can now legitimately criticize the American human rights record:

By Information Office of the State Council of the People's Republic of China

On March 4, 2002, the US State Department published "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices -- 2001." Once again the United States, assuming the role of "world judge of human rights," has distorted human rights conditions in many countries and regions in the world, including China, and accused them of human rights violations, all the while turning a blind eye to its own human rights-related problems. In fact, it is right in the United States where serious human rights violations exist...
Human Rights Record of the United States in 2001(03/11/02)

Summary:
The US has a much higher crime rate than China especially regarding violent crime, rape and child molestation. American law enforcement officials are far more likely to use excessive force, leading to serious injury or death. While China has poverty, they also don't allow people to live below a minimum standard, unlike the US which has no minimum standard. The poorest people in China are far better off than the poorest people in the US. More Americans suffer food insecurity than Chinese. Racism is rampant in many parts of the US. The United States ranks first in the world in wantonly infringing upon the sovereignty of, and human rights in, other countries. Since the 1990s, the United States has used force overseas on more than 40 occasions. The United States took the lead during the Third UN Conference Against Racism held in Durban in opposing discussing slave trade and colonial compensation, expressed opposition to putting Zionism on a par with racism.

China urges the United States to change its ways, give up its hegemonic practice of creating confrontation and interfering in the internal affairs of others by exploiting the human rights issue, go with the tide of the times characterized by cooperation and dialogue in the area of human rights, and do more useful things for the progress and development of the human society.

Hilarious... but many valid points.

 

[Colpy]

Its no more ludicrous than blaming Islam for every crime committed by a Muslim... which was my point. How many of those countries you listed with grave human rights problems are Muslim majorities?

Also I was in China and I can tell you from first hand experience that China today, probably has a better human rights record than the US. In fact human rights have improved so much in China and deteriorated so badly in the US that China can now legitimately criticize the American human rights record:

By Information Office of the State Council of the People's Republic of China

On March 4, 2002, the US State Department published "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices -- 2001." Once again the United States, assuming the role of "world judge of human rights," has distorted human rights conditions in many countries and regions in the world, including China, and accused them of human rights violations, all the while turning a blind eye to its own human rights-related problems. In fact, it is right in the United States where serious human rights violations exist...
Human Rights Record of the United States in 2001(03/11/02)

The US has a much higher crime rate than China especially regarding violent crime, rape and child molestation. American law enforcement officials are far more likely to use excessive force, leading to serious injury or death. While China has poverty, they also don't allow people to live below a minimum standard, unlike the US which has no minimum standard. The poorest people in China are far better off than the poorest people in the US. More Americans suffer food insecurity than Chinese. Racism is rampant in many parts of the US. The United States ranks first in the world in wantonly infringing upon the sovereignty of, and human rights in, other countries. Since the 1990s, the United States has used force overseas on more than 40 occasions. The United States took the lead during the Third UN Conference Against Racism held in Durban in opposing discussing slave trade and colonial compensation, expressed opposition to putting Zionism on a par with racism.

China urges the United States to change its ways, give up its hegemonic practice of creating confrontation and interfering in the internal affairs of others by exploiting the human rights issue, go with the tide of the times characterized by cooperation and dialogue in the area of human rights, and do more useful things for the progress and development of the human society.

Hilarious... but many valid points.

That is ridiculous.

I suppose Tianamen Square was not excessive force.

I suppose the somewhere between 6,000 and 15,000 the Chinese execute every year is not excessive force.

Here's a picture to warm the heart of a supposed human rights advocate like yourself.
How many does China execute? | Kate Allen | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

I suppose the traffic in organs ripped from the condemned, often before they are executed is indicative of human rights in China.

To say nothing about their support for every single one of the worst nations on earth, Syria, Burma, Zimbabwe, Iran, North Korea.....

 

[earth_as_one]

Tienanmen was 23 years ago and is about as relevant as US using African Americans for medical experimentation related to syphilis and gonorrhea.
Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or US medical experimentation on Guatemalans
Guatemala Experiments: Syphilis Infections, Other Shocking Details Revealed About U.S. Medical Experiments

If you debate which country has a worse human rights record, I started a thread here:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/113296-china-criticizes-us-human-rights.html

 

[Colpy]

Tienanmen was 23 years ago and is about as relevant as US using African Americans for medical experimentation related to syphilis and gonorrhea.
Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or US medical experimentation on Guatemalans
Guatemala Experiments: Syphilis Infections, Other Shocking Details Revealed About U.S. Medical Experiments

If you debate which country has a worse human rights record, I started a thread here:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/113296-china-criticizes-us-human-rights.html

How about 50 million dead???

Read a little history....you are defending a regime that was the worst mass murderer of civilians in the history of the world.

 

[earth_as_one]

No I am not defending China of the 1950's.

I'm saying that China today has a human rights record which is close to par with the US... if not better. Try to stick to current events and post your comments in the other thread where its on topic.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/113296-china-criticizes-us-human-rights.html

 

[JLM]

Weirdly, compared to Canada at 65th place, & just looking at the first and top ten,
I'm guessing the "Happiness" factor might have something to do with the climate
also. With some rampant Global Warming, Canada might just become a happier
place than it currently is?[/LEFT]

Each of these components is based on a separate measure:

Some of the unhappiest countries have fairly warm climate too.

 

[Colpy]

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Shortt_Christianophobia.pdf

 

[petros]

the World Evangelical Alliance estimating that 200 million Christians (10 per centof the global total) are socially disadvantaged, harassed oractively oppressed for their beliefs...

I wonder why?​

 

[Ron in Regina]

Some of the unhappiest countries have fairly warm climate too.

Some, yes...but look at the first ten or fifteen countries on the list.
What do they have in common? There is a pattern...

In the top forty, there are three or four countries without a hot climate, so
there are exceptions both ways...but there is a pattern.

I'm not saying it's directly climate related, but perhaps the qualifiers of the
list lean toward the influence provided by a warmer climate.

Experienced well-being.
If you want to know how well someone’s life is going, your best bet is to ask them directly.
In this year’s HPI, experienced well-being is assessed using a question called the ‘Ladder
of Life’ from the Gallup World Poll. This asks respondents to imagine a ladder, where 0
represents the worst possible life and 10 the best possible life, and report the step of
the ladder they feel they currently stand on.

Life expectancy.
Alongside experienced well-being, the HPI includes a universally important measure of
health – life expectancy. We used life expectancy data from the 2011 UNDP Human Development Report

Ecological Footprint.
The HPI uses the Ecological Footprint promoted by the environmental charity WWF as a
measure of resource consumption. It is a per capita measure of the amount of land
required to sustain a country’s consumption patterns, measured in terms of global
hectares (g ha) which represent a hectare of land with average productive
biocapacity

Perhaps there is a bias towards warmer climates in the metric used.

 

[JLM]

Some, yes...but look at the first ten or fifteen countries on the list.
What do they have in common? There is a pattern...

In the top forty, there are three or four countries without a hot climate, so
there are exceptions both ways...but there is a pattern.

I'm not saying it's directly climate related, but perhaps the qualifiers of the
list lean toward the influence provided by a warmer climate.



Perhaps there is a bias towards warmer climates in the metric used.

My own feelings about cold definitely support your observation. I'm wondering if part of the reason for this is a guy being stuck in the house for months on end with a nattering, controlling woman! (Which doesn't apply to me of course)-