China criticizes US Human Rights Record in Report

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What year was that Colpy? Are any of the people who did this still running China?

Referencing China's historical injustices in a debate about the state of human rights in China today is barely on-topic and about as relevant as referencing American historical injustices in a debate about the state of human rights in the US today. But if you want to go there, sure I'll compare historical injustices in China relative to historical injustices in the US even though neither issue has any significant relevance to the human rights situation today.

The US practiced ethnic cleansing and genocide against first nations people. Their soldiers murdered and slaughtered entire communities. Tens of thousands of people were forced from their homes and their land was awarded to mostly white people. The US also had an active slave trade for hundreds of years. White slave owners raped and murdered their black slaves with impunity.

But if I was to raise these issues in a discussion about American human rights today, I'd look just as ridiculous as you do now bringing up historical Chinese events... which have little to no bearing on the state of human rights in China today.

I never claimed that China is a human rights leader or that their current record is something the Chinese can take pride in. I am saying that over the last 10 years, the human rights situation has improved in China and deteriorated in the US to the point where China can almost criticize the US on human rights issues and not appear hypocritical.

I'll keep repeating that statement until the subtlety sinks in, as some of you appear to believe I am actually defending China's human rights record. A few regulars here have made false claims about my meaning/intent in order to make straw man arguments.

Certainly the US no longer has a good enough human rights record to be able to criticize China without looking hypocritical.

Here are summaries from Amnesty International regarding the US, China and Canada:

AI Regarding China 2011

Fearful of a protest movement inspired by events in the Middle East and North Africa, in February the authorities unleashed one of the harshest crackdowns on political activists, human rights defenders and online activists since the 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations. Harassment, intimidation, arbitrary and illegal detention, and enforced disappearances intensified against government critics. Ethnic minority regions were under heightened security as local residents protested against discrimination, repression and other violations of their rights. The authorities increased ongoing efforts to bring all religious practice within the control of the state; this included harsh persecution of some religious practitioners. China’s economic strength during the global financial crisis increased the country’s leverage in the domain of global human rights – mostly for the worse.
Details: Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights


AI Regarding the USA 2011:

Forty-three men were executed during the year, and concerns about cruel prison conditions continued. Scores of detainees remained in indefinite military detention at Guantánamo. The administration announced its intention to pursue the death penalty against six of these detainees in trials by military commission. Some 3,000 people were held in the US detention facility on the Bagram air base in Afghanistan by the end of the year. Use of lethal force in the counter-terrorism context raised serious concerns, as did continuing reports of the use of excessive force in the domestic law enforcement context.
Details: Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

When you factor the US's much higher violent crime rate, US foreign policies support of brutal dictators and ethnic cleansing, its clear Americans can't take pride in their human rights record or legitimately criticize China's improving human rights record.

While China executes more people every year than any other country, they are also the world's most greatest population. So absolute values comparing a country with 1.5 billion people to a country with only 300 million people is misleading. Also China does not release information about its executions, so its difficult to know their exact per capita rate. But I did find this:

Eighty-eight per cent of all known executions in 2007 took place in five countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA. Saudi Arabia (eao: SA is a US supported dictatorship) had the highest number of executions per capita, followed by Iran and Libya. Amnesty International can confirm at least 470 executions by China - the highest overall figure. Lack of transparency and limited access to information about the number of executions in China means that the true figure is undoubtedly much higher.
2007 world death penalty statistics published - Amnesty International Australia


For balance, AI Regarding Canada

There were continuing systematic violations of the rights of Indigenous Peoples. Limited progress was made in addressing concerns about human rights violations associated with counter-terror and policing operations.
Details: Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

Based on the above I would still rate the US human rights record as better than China's... but not by that much. Certainly Canada has a MUCH better human rights record than the US or China. Canada can still improve regarding the rights of Indigenous Peoples and due process for alleged "terrorists"... The fact that we use the word terrorist and terrorism in our legal code instead of criminals or prisoners of war indicates we have a prejudicial biased legal process when it comes to certain crimes.


Talk about sad... and pathetic. Make a post which is polite and you might get a response.

First of all YES the same people are running China....the same Communist Party, with leaders that were involved in the 60s, if not the 50s. It is as if the NSDAP was still running Germany (except NSDAP actually murdered a much lower number of people)....would you play apologist for that??

The slave trade was dead almost 100 years before Communist China came into being....killed in a Civil war that changed the nature of the nation. After China changes through Civil war and rebellion, come talk to me about comparisons.

China executes between 6,000 and 10,000 people per year. The number of executions is a state secret, most are done in secret, and if THAT doesn't tell you something.... BTW, the LOW estimate means China performs 80% of the executions in the world....despite the fact 60% of nations still use capital punishment.

And yes, China was literally ripping the guts out of its prisoners for sale very recently, if not still.

Ever hear of Freedom of Religion??

Freedom of Speech??

Freedom to keep and bear arms??

Freedom of conscience??

Free elections??

Right of peaceful protest??

NOT IN CHINA.

I swear, one would think that when the inevitable war comes with China, you will be playing Lord Ha Ha.

Get in touch with reality.
 

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China executes between 6,000 and 10,000 people per year. The number of executions is a state secret, most are done in secret, and if THAT doesn't tell you something.... BTW, the LOW estimate means China performs 80% of the executions in the world....despite the fact 60% of nations still use capital punishment.

That's OK by EAO... it's China.

Does China still bill the families for the bullet?
 

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There is injustice all over the world , including US and Canada Colpy .I just wonder where and from whom you get all the negative information about China .You must have very good connections to acquire such a sensitive
information .You have more knowledge of China than its inhabitants have ...and that`s not very healthy Colpy.
 

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That's OK by EAO... it's China.

Does China still bill the families for the bullet?
London Times in 2005:
The [lethal injection] vans, which cost £33,000 each, are fitted with closed circuit television, which permitted Li’s death to be watched by local members of the National People’s Congress gathered at the city’s funeral parlour.

In the past, capital punishment was carried out by a single shot to the back of the head at execution fields outside Chinese cities and families of the dead were sent a bill for the bullet. Now the vans are circulating in several provinces, it is a clean and discreet method of killing. Death by injection costs the state about £63 but is free to the victim’s relatives.
 

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There is injustice all over the world , including US and Canada Colpy .I just wonder where and from whom you get all the negative information about China .You must have very good connections to acquire such a sensitive
information .You have more knowledge of China than its inhabitants have ...and that`s not very healthy Colpy.

Considering how the Govt locks down info that is quite easy to believe.

Considering that there are thousands of demonstrations against corruption every year - why would the govt publish that.

Considering in China they have a show trial- you show up- then found guilty and then you may never show up again.

Considering how many Senior Officers in the PLA are pushing for a confrontation over the South China Sea.

Considering how the Govt uses a dangerous tool- Nationalism- a tool that can bite both ways as when it is loosed it cannot be controlled. And we know the Politburo loves control.

Yep a great place.
 

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THAT would not surprise me one bit!
Yes ,that is an American phenomena .

Considering how the Govt locks down info that is quite easy to believe.

Considering that there are thousands of demonstrations against corruption every year - why would the govt publish that.

Considering in China they have a show trial- you show up- then found guilty and then you may never show up again.

Considering how many Senior Officers in the PLA are pushing for a confrontation over the South China Sea.

Considering how the Govt uses a dangerous tool- Nationalism- a tool that can bite both ways as when it is loosed it cannot be controlled. And we know the Politburo loves control.

Yep a great place.
Considering that there are thousands of demonstrations against corruption every year - why would the govt publish that.*********** Correct , they have you do it for them .


Considering in China they have a show trial- you show up- then found guilty and then you may never show up again.******************* Obviously you have showed up to tell us all about it.

And we know the Politburo loves control. ************** I don`t know if it`s the Politburo , something is controlling you .

Yes ,that is an American phenomena .


Considering that there are thousands of demonstrations against corruption every year - why would the govt publish that.*********** Correct , they have you do it for them .


Considering in China they have a show trial- you show up- then found guilty and then you may never show up again.******************* Obviously you have showed up to tell us all about it.

And we know the Politburo loves control. ************** I don`t know if it`s the Politburo , something is controlling you .
Why America Should Applaud -- Not Condemn -- China's Growth
By Dan Carroll | ..

In recent years, political and economic pundits across the United States have spouted doom-and-gloom prophecies regarding Chinese growth as if it were some sort of GDP Godzilla. For all the proud patriotism, however, these same talking heads miss a critical point in the Chinese-American relationship. Americans -- and especially growth-minded investors -- will benefit far more from a wealthy China than they will from a beaten-down one.

It's time to get serious about China's place in the world economy, and why Americans should welcome it with open arms.

outdated notion that China and the U.S. compete in a zero-sum game of economics needs to go. As China's GDP grew in the 9% range during this century's first decade, the U.S. reaped significant rewards. American exports to the Asian nation rose more than 500% -- 500%! -- between 2000 and 2011. Exports to the rest of the world grew only 80% during that same time frame.

This year, the U.S. is on pace to export more than $100 billion worth of goods to China, making it America's third-largest export partner and largest outside of North America. As China's middle class grows, demand for American goods and services will only increase, generating greater profits for U.S. companies and stirring the sleepy American economy.

Even the all-important employment figure should rise on the backs of greater exports, which will require expansions of corporate payrolls to fulfill burgeoning demand. With a sunnier economic outlook, large companies won't be so hesitant to take on a little risk and invest their mounting piles of cash reserves. In 2010 alone, $70 billion in U.S. exports to China created 437,000 jobs. More jobs leads to more consumer spending in a virtuous economic cycle -- no stimulus needed.

"Not so fast," pundits cry. "What about China's swarm of cheap exports to the American market?"

True, China is the U.S.' largest import partner, on pace to pump nearly $400 billion worth of imports into the American economy in 2012. While $400 billion represents pretty severe capital flight, consider the effect of these cheaper goods on the consumer market. With Chinese goods estimated to be priced at a significant discount for the American consumer, that opportunity allows individuals to either allocate more of their income to other purchases, or -- gasp -- save more money. We can all get behind a plan that offers more discretionary money for the pocketbook.

An investor's windfall in the East
Investors have a clear stake in China's rise, too. While Chinese economic slowdown or upheaval may make sniping politicians cheer with joy, the markets will react with tremors and quakes.

Consider the aforementioned consumer goods. Cheap overseas production and pro-globalism policies of free trade help reduce the costs that companies shoulder. That lets them pass all that extra wealth down to their shareholders, which in turn grows your portfolio.

Another examples is evident in overseas factories for electronics manufacturers such as Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL ) and Hewlett-Packard. While these companies won't win awards for workplace safety in their Chinese factories, they do get a massive cost advantage from producing products overseas. Estimates average that Apple's 4G iPhone makes a gross margin of 72% per product, whereas producing the same phone in America would hammer that impressive margin down to just over 46%.

That's a colossal advantage for Apple, and it's sent Pacific-Ocean-sized profits to shareholders during the tech company's ascent to the largest corporation of all time. Without labor from China, investors never would have experienced that same financial windfall that arose with Apple's climb. Shutting down the globalist policies that promote international trade would suck that financial life out of the markets and everyday investors.

Chinese domestic growth helps corporations and their shareholders just as much. Take China's industrials sector: American powerhouses Caterpillar (NYSE: CAT ) and General Electric (NYSE: GE ) have stepped up efforts in the Asian nation, investing heavily in coal mining thanks to the nation's swelling energy demands. Automakers Ford (NYSE: F ) and General Motors (NYSE: GM ) have similarly deployed huge resources to increase their presence in China, compensating for losses in Europe and giving hope to their shareholders.

Tomorrow's cooperative economy
These examples just scratch the surface of China's many positive effects on the American economy and investors. Americans should eagerly await further Chinese economic growth that will fuel their financial dreams, not cry foul in a shortsighted battle of GDPs that only hurts everyone's growth.

Certainly, friction will arise between the United States and China. Political battles will be waged; populist phrases decrying China's growth will be slung. Investors need to know that China's growth isn't to be feared, however. Indeed, without it, Americans would face a drastically different future without many of the amazing opportunities they face today. The U.S. should cheer on China's rise and work to grow hand-in-hand, not condemn it out of petty partisanship. It's time to look forward to a globalist future.

Investors like you need to have the best information on hand to make smart decisions for the future. To learn more about the opportunities and threats faced by some of the companies mentioned in this article, check out The Motley Fool's premium guides to Apple, Caterpillar, Ford, and General Electric. You won't want to be left behind in tomorrow's rewarding future for these corporate titans.
 
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Perhaps you should perform some decent research on China and Human Rights before you go off on your usual US Rant and Rave
Look at property that is confiscated
Persons who make complaints against party members
How many riots china has had this year or last year or the year before.

And then Tibet - or the Mongolians- or the Uyghur - till then you are just up to your usual standard of trolling.
Such a sad little wanker. Really sad.
Why do you go on violent rage tangents when U.S.A is exposed for the horrible nation they are?
China has done bad things, no way are they immune to rights violations, I don't think anyone is arguing this. U.S.A has just been far worse when it comes to third world exploitation , violation of international laws, slavery of it's own citizens, etc the list is unending and has been a fact since the country's inception. You could make a list of the horrible things China does and I can't make one twice as long about the U.S ..
 

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How Canada helped make Honduras the violence and impunity capital of the world
BY GRAHAME RUSSELL

There is no end in sight to violence and repression in Honduras. There is no end in sight to the impunity and corruption with which the powerful economic, military and political sectors act.
There is also no end in sight to American and Canadian governments and businesses maintaining political, economic and military relations with the Honduras, empowering and legitimizing the regime. American and Canadian businesses and investors are, in effect, benefiting from the repression, violence, corruption and impunity.
A human rights and security abyss
Since the U.S. and Canadian endorsed military coup of June 28, 2009, that ousted the democratically elected government, hundreds of pro-democracy activists have been killed by the State or death squads. Honduras has become known as:
• the http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/01/20/136474/crime-booms-as-central-americans.html" rel="nofollow">murder capital of the world
• a http://tlhrc.house.gov/hearing_notice.asp?id=1235" rel="nofollow">journalist killing capital of the world
• an LGBT killing capital of the world

• an http://vimeo.com/14106974; http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7979">inmate killing capital of the world
* a lawyer killing capital of the world
In January 2012, the Miami Herald published an editorial, 'Central America's free-fire zone.'
"[Honduras] is quickly turning into a disaster zone … To make matters worse in Honduras, there are indications that elements of the U.S.-backed government are complicit in the violence and criminality … The murder rate of 82.1 per 100,000 residents … gives Honduras the highest homicide rate in the world."
On January 27, 2012, the New York Times published an op-ed piece, 'In Honduras, a mess made in the U.S.' Dana Frank writes:
"It's time to acknowledge the foreign policy disaster that American support for the Porfirio Lobo administration in Honduras has become. Ever since the June 28, 2009, coup … the country has been descending deeper into a human rights and security abyss. That abyss is in good part the State Department’s making … According to the United Nations, it now has the world's highest murder rate, and San Pedro Sula, its second city, is more dangerous than Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a center for drug cartel violence. Much of the press in the United States has attributed this violence solely to drug trafficking and gangs. But the coup was what threw open the doors to a huge increase in drug trafficking and violence, and it unleashed a continuing wave of state-sponsored repression."
This situation of repression and violence has gotten even worse. On May 11, 2012, a U.S. DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) raid in the Ahuas community of north-east Honduras left at least four innocent people dead, including two pregnant women; many more were wounded.
Empowering and legitimizing the illegitimate
While the United States receives most attention regarding its support for the military backed government of Honduras, Canada has played a major role in empowering and legitimizing the regime.
Canada and the U.S. are the only governments that deemed 'fair and valid' the violent, illegitimate post-military coup elections in November 2009. Canada and the U.S. are the only governments to have maintained full political relations with the military-backed regime. Since the coup, both countries -- particularly Canada -- have even expanded business dealings in Honduras.
In August 2011, Canadian Prime Minister Harper became the first foreign leader to actually visit Honduras since the military coup. (Most governments in Latin America today still do not have full political and economic relations with the military-backed regime).
Leading a delegation of politicians and business executives, Prime Minister Harper signed a "free trade" agreement with the regime that gave international credibility to the regime and that further entrenches the rights of Canadian maquiladora (sweat-shop), tourism and mining businesses and investors in Honduras.
Dark tunnel of violence and repression
There is no light at the end of Honduras' tunnel of violence and repression, corruption and impunity. While the roots of all this go back at least through the U.S.-backed militarism and repression of the 1970s, 80s and early 90s, there is no doubt that since the 2009 coup, violence and repression have again returned to all time high levels.
North Americans must pressure and keep on pressuring our elected politicians and government officials. Public pressure on and shaming of North American governments and businesses is vital if we are to stop empowering and 'legitimizing' the illegitimate Honduran regime.
It is equally important to support (with funds, human rights accompaniment, solidarity delegations, etc.) civil society groups in Honduras -- many of which are members of the National Resistance Front -- that are courageously struggling to denounce the abuses and human rights violations, all the while working to restore their democratic order and to re-found the State and society.
2013 presidential elections
Despite this situation, there is a chance for positive political change in 2013. The wife of the militarily ousted President Zelaya has been chosen as leader of a new political party named LIBRE.
Whereas many Hondurans, now in the National Resistance Front, were not Zelaya supporters before the coup, they have been moved by the dignified and courageous positions that both Mel Zelaya and his wife Xiomara have taken since the day of the coup.
The 2013 presidential elections will pit corrupted pro-coup, pro-oligarchy parties (likely to be backed openly or indirectly by the U.S. and Canada) against the LIBRE party that has grown out of civil society's courageous opposition to the military coup and on-going repression and out of the desire of a vast majority of Honduran people to re-found their state and society and restore a truly democratic order.
LIBRE would easily win truly democratic elections, given the chance. However, these elections will undoubtedly be characterized by electoral corruption and threats and repression against people aligned with the LIBRE party.
This is at once a struggle for democracy and human rights in Honduras and across Latin America. It is also, deeply, a struggle for North Americans to hold our governments, companies and investors to account for 'legitimizing' the illegitimate, for empowering a repressive and undemocratic regime.
 

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Nothing about the Canadian Prison Hunger Strikes? Canada turning over captives to be tortured and killed? Canada starting to invest heavy in killer drones? Child molesters in Canada being released to molest again?

Since you're being completely OWNED you continue to rant and be repetitive.

Just wondering... does Canada plan on assassinating any other world leaders any time soon?

: How a NATO air strike finished off Libya's dictator | Mail Online

Sure we have hunger strikes and some of our prisons are pretty crappy too. But we haven't gone down the prison for profit route yet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

ES is correct that even though Canada doesn't have Gitmo, we were complicit in torture.
Canada complicit in torture of innocent Afghans, diplomat says - The Globe and Mail
 

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The US isn't as bad as China by far. But the US of today isn't the shining example it used to be. Most people used to be able to criticize the US government without any fear, but that isn't so true these days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/b...aptops-and-phones.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hpw&

Admittedly, missing your flight and having to go to court to get your laptop back is still better than being dead, but it is a far cry from the real freedom of speech that the US used to enjoy.
 

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Yes ,that is an American phenomena .

Oh good. What exactly is the American phenomena? I eagerly await.

Why do you go on violent rage tangents when U.S.A is exposed for the horrible nation they are?
China has done bad things, no way are they immune to rights violations, I don't think anyone is arguing this. U.S.A has just been far worse when it comes to third world exploitation , violation of international laws, slavery of it's own citizens, etc

Oh do tell how we enslave our own citizens.



the list is unending and has been a fact since the country's inception. You could make a list of the horrible things China does and I can't make one twice as long about the U.S ..
Of course the list will be fabricated and a figment of your imagination as noted in your above post.
 

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