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Israel- Hamas Ceasefire
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He/she/it is too fu cking stupid to be able to "know" anything, let alone "know" what thread to post or not post in.
Like this one?
The Palestinians will change the rules of the game and will lose if they proceed with their bid to become an observer state at the U.N., an Israeli diplomatic source suggested on Saturday.
In response to the possibility that the Palestinian Authority will submit a request to the U.N. to upgrade its status to that of a non-member observer state, the source said, "They will change the rules of the game and they will emerge with less." Israel has been working with the U.S. and Europe to convince the Palestinians no to pursue the initiative.
Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz (Likud) said recently in closed-door discussions that he had made it clear to PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad and other senior Palestinian officials that Israel could cease its cooperation with the authority, and even block the transfer of funds to it, if it went ahead with its unilateral request.
"The Palestinian initiative at the U.N. is more dangerous than rocket attacks from Gaza," Steinitz remarked.
Israel Hayom | 'PA bid at UN more dangerous than missiles from Gaza'
Israel Hayom | 'PA bid at UN more dangerous than missiles from Gaza'
It only came out today. You will be if you want to keep your Jewish friends, just ask Judge Goldstone.
Commenting on your own posts eh ger.
I would gladly walk side by side with this Jew and I don't even have to ask you or bear if you would because he would want **** all to do with either of you.
Miko Peled Part 1 - YouTube
I would gladly walk side by side with this Jew and I don't even have to ask you or bear if you would because he would want **** all to do with either of you.
Miko Peled Part 1 - YouTube
Yes I am certain the entire Palestinian community is split regarding Israel. Some have lost everything (family, friends...) and have nothing left but their anger and a sense of revenge. Others just want to live in peace and get on with their lives. I'm on the side of those who want to live in peace and get on with their lives.
The current situation forces even those who just want to live in peace to fight against an enemy which chokes their very existence. But not all forms of resistance are violent. I only support non-violent methods of resistance for Palestinian freedom and justice.
I also believe Israelis also consist of those who want violence and revenge and those who want peace.
What everyone on all sides who want peace must do is stop empowering those who seek violence, war death and destruction.
Here in Canada we are far removed from the conflict. But we are immersed in a sea of propaganda supporting one side's war criminals. Knowing the ugly truth about this conflict is the first step to making Canada a force for freedom and justice in this conflict. The Harper Conservative position on this conflict is repugnant. We are not helping the Israelis who want to live in peace, by supporting unshakably those who claim to support peace, but in reality will start wars and cleanse regions of non-Jews just to improve their chances of re-election.
Let me make this clear. The Harper Conservatives are on the side of war, death and destruction of the Palestinian people. But they are also political animals, with a sense of self preservation. If the majority of Canadians stop supporting Zionist ethnic cleansing, so will the Harper Conservatives.
Actually this could be the beginning of some serious breakthrough changes.
A number of things has come out of this that are very positive.
For one Hamas is appearing to have some credibility it has forced the Israelis
to talk about issues. The leader of Hamas has demonstrated that he is more
moderate than most thought him to be when its time to talk.
Egypt has demonstrated to the world that it has not lost its luster on the world
stage. the current leadership delivered Israels message to Hamas in a manner
that was productive. Egypt did not automatically side militarily with Hamas.
America was able to ensure that calmer heads prevailed.
Perhaps the blockade can be eased, the people in Gaza will begin to see that
their future lies at a negotiating table, and the same holds true for Israel.
If the Palestinians and Israelis could find a way to solve the West Bank issues
they could in fact become each others best hope for peace and could in fact in
time become each others best allies in the region.
A number of things has come out of this that are very positive.
For one Hamas is appearing to have some credibility it has forced the Israelis
to talk about issues. The leader of Hamas has demonstrated that he is more
moderate than most thought him to be when its time to talk.
Egypt has demonstrated to the world that it has not lost its luster on the world
stage. the current leadership delivered Israels message to Hamas in a manner
that was productive. Egypt did not automatically side militarily with Hamas.
America was able to ensure that calmer heads prevailed.
Perhaps the blockade can be eased, the people in Gaza will begin to see that
their future lies at a negotiating table, and the same holds true for Israel.
If the Palestinians and Israelis could find a way to solve the West Bank issues
they could in fact become each others best hope for peace and could in fact in
time become each others best allies in the region.
I would support a Truth and Reconciliation Tribunal, where telling the truth gets you amnesty.
That's how South Africa moved past their version of Apartheid.
I agree with your observations (more or less), but also I think this latest battle could lead to peace because of the new costs Palestinians can force Israelis to pay:
The final cost of this assault is not yet known and depends on the length of the conflict. However, the business information company BDI estimates it at about NIS 1.1 billion a week. The Manufacturer's Association of Israel estimates damage to the more than 430 businesses in the south at NIS 120 million. Meanwhile, eighty percent of all retail and services are shuttered in the south, costing the economy NIS 90 million and NIS 100 million a day, according to the Federation of Chambers of Commerce. Of course, none of these estimates count the still unknown costs of damage to property.
Moreover, the much vaunted Iron Dome antimissile interception system is only partially effective (and also very expensive). According to Ehud Barak, Iron Dome has launched more than 350 interceptors, costing $20 million so far. Estimates of how much each interceptor missile costs vary between $35,000 and about $100,000 (the latter is according to Yossi Drucker, head of Rafael's Iron Dome Project).
Nena News Agency | The Achievements of the Palestinian Resistance
While Palestinians can't hope to defeat the Israelis at this point, they do have a demonstrated ability to shut down the Israeli economy and force the Israeli military to fire very expensive anti-missile missiles to shoot down their relatively lower cost dumb missiles.
Up until now, Israel has made a net profit from their ethnic cleansing war. Now its going to get very expensive. Maybe that practical reality will lead to Palestinian freedom and justice.
Then you would have to bring in a lot of important people in many Muslim countries. From Qatar, Saudi, Iran to name a few.
Bad idea - But I noted your misuse of the term apartheid as it does not apply to Israel. Why use inflammatory terms- It does not lead to a positive discussion.
UN 181 more or less created that court to field complaints that arise from the implementation of that document, the ICC is the only place it could be deemed as being fully illegal wiping out the Israeli Gvernment but giving the ones there now protection from becoming displaced persons and I'm quite sure the world would be quite comfortable with the Holy Land being a place where Jews could practice their religion in safety but without taking on the running of the country.
Different rules for different parts of society is very much a part of everyday life in Israel today.just a
Part 1 is just above so that might be more on track to your post but this is also relevent.
Miko Peled Part 2 - The right of return - YouTube
Different rules for different parts of society is very much a part of everyday life in Israel today.just a
Part 1 is just above so that might be more on track to your post but this is also relevent.
Miko Peled Part 2 - The right of return - YouTube
And people think that Hamas won something- I do not know what- Iron Dome works- Davids Sling is being rolled out.
Israel did not go into Gaza due to PR- Israel fighting in a densely populated area will eventually hit a school- an apartment- children killed. The world is in uproar.
Those are the facts - any one that can think knows it is the truth.
Israel made a mistake by not giving Abbas a table to negotiate at. Critical error.
Why not just throw the money, a lot of money, over the fence? They would be further ahead in the short and long-run.
Hitting all the civilian infrastructure was all by accident? Surely you don't believe that in this day and age where bombs hit just what they are aimed at, including specific windows as they did in one instance.
How many of the 1500 rocket claimed by Israel were actually misses by the dome, last stats I saw was 1500 fired and less than 500 hits. Did the other 1,000 just evaporate of do they come back down. It isn't like anybody is going to be given an opportunity to examine the remains to see if it was guided or not. Taking somebody at their word isn't the best approach, might as well poke out your eyes and lope off your ears if that is your current approach to getting the truth.
Hitting all the civilian infrastructure was all by accident? Surely you don't believe that in this day and age where bombs hit just what they are aimed at, including specific windows as they did in one instance.
How many of the 1500 rocket claimed by Israel were actually misses by the dome, last stats I saw was 1500 fired and less than 500 hits. Did the other 1,000 just evaporate of do they come back down. It isn't like anybody is going to be given an opportunity to examine the remains to see if it was guided or not. Taking somebody at their word isn't the best approach, might as well poke out your eyes and lope off your ears if that is your current approach to getting the truth.
a·part·heid n.1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.
Well, that didn't take long, Israeli's already paying the price for making concessions to realize a ceasefire in a conflict they weren't losing. Can anybody cite an example of a nation that has made concessions for a ceasefire when they were winning?
The IDF discovered a hole in the nearby Gaza security fence, and footprints from the area matched the shoes of the intruder, who had escaped to the Moshav Sde Avraham's greenhouses after he tried to kill the girl.
IDF Kills Suspected Gaza Terrorist after Stabbing - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News
The IDF discovered a hole in the nearby Gaza security fence, and footprints from the area matched the shoes of the intruder, who had escaped to the Moshav Sde Avraham's greenhouses after he tried to kill the girl.
IDF Kills Suspected Gaza Terrorist after Stabbing - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News
Define winning...
Israel's losses in the eight-day conflict with Gaza could top $1 billion. Businesses within 25 miles of the border lose money when they were ordered closed.
After cease-fire, Israel eyes war's economic cost
Gaza op costs tourism $1.8B in damages. Some 300,000 tourists cancel visits to Israel following Operation Pillar of Defense.
Gaza op costs tourism $1.8B in damages - Israel Travel, Ynetnews
Israel's losses in the eight-day conflict with Gaza could top $1 billion. Businesses within 25 miles of the border lose money when they were ordered closed.
After cease-fire, Israel eyes war's economic cost
Gaza op costs tourism $1.8B in damages. Some 300,000 tourists cancel visits to Israel following Operation Pillar of Defense.
Gaza op costs tourism $1.8B in damages - Israel Travel, Ynetnews
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How much more expensive would it have been to let Hamas lob them rockets indiscriminately at their citizens?????:roll:
Just trying to break the add-ons to your original post....
Just trying to break the add-ons to your original post....
