As I've asked before, who in their right mind would call Israel and Palestine the Holy Land? The entire disputed region is not worth the life of a single child! What a colossal disgrace!
Israel launches Gaza offensive, kills Hamas commander
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Who thought loading the place up with only weapons was such a good idea? In the 21st Century and the Kingdom of Rothschild, it is now the 'Holey Land' and guess has a monopoly on the equipment that will be making all the 'holes'?
Welcome to the forum CanIrish
Go Team Israel!
Kay doesn't know more than what the Israeli propaganda ministry tells him. I suggest you stop reading Kay and go straight to the source of Kay's information:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA
How this current round of violence started isn't a mystery. MHz already posted a reference to the incident:
How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline | The Electronic Intifada
MHz you should follow the link too as your source leaves out key details. As a result I think you have a wrong impression about the event. The distance the lethal bullet traveled indicates that IDF soldiers did not deliberately kill the boy. But firing in the general direction of a densely populated urban area was irresponsible. Colpy should give them a lesson in muzzle control.
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Considering that IDF soldiers had been taking similar pot shots in the general direction of Gaza civilians for weeks preceding this event, random civilian deaths were inevitable. Part of the problem is a lack of concern on the part of Israeli soldiers regarding the safety of Gaza civilians. I'm certain they would not be so careless near Israeli civilians.
I understand the dead boy's family were upset and vowed revenge. Likely the RPG fired at Israeli soldiers the next day right after the funeral was related and deliberate. The series of Israeli strikes on Gaza that followed the RPG attack was also deliberate. Then the volley of Gaza rockets which followed the Israeli strikes were also deliberate.
Part of the problem is that in the current situation, a single irresponsible act by one side or the other can start an scalating cycle of violence.
What's your problem Dex? Do you have a double standard or are you ignorant of these facts:
1) Hamas has stated many times that their charter is obsolete. They'd change it, but they have more important issues right now than holding a charter convention. Hamas has proposed recognition of the State of Israel within the 1967 borders. that's been their position for years now.
2) The ruling Likud Party's charter calls for the creation of a Jewish state, that is now Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank... ie: the destruction of the Palestinian people.
reference
...Hamas (through Haniyeh and Meshal) had said many times over that it was willing to accept Israel as a political entity on the 1967 borders. You do not have to look hard for this, it was stated in the Guardian, Washington Post, amongst others, meaning that Hamas was now in line with most of the international community, accepting a two-state solution...
...In the "Peace and Security" chapter of the Likud Party platform, a recent document (1999) it says... ..."The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel.... ..."The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. ..."Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem,...
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=14772
IMO, you are no different than those who celebrated on 9/11.
Bombing cities is old news:
I see no differences between one group of hate inspired war criminals killing innocent civilians and another. The war mongerers have successfully manipulated your hate and fear. Now you celebrate the death of innocent people in 2012 just like Franco did in 1937 and Bin Laden did in 2001.
For the record I am against killing any civilians... Gazans, Americans, Israeli...
The fact is most critics of Israel only oppose Israel's war criminals, not ordinary Jews or Israeli civilians. Most people criticizing Israeli war crimes today are motivated by the same principles of universal human rights, freedom and justice that also motivated people to help Jews during the Nazi era. In those days, the manipulated masses had a similar opinion of Jews, that you and other Islamaphobes have regarding Muslims today.
Any Jews who believe the manipulated masses will always support their freedom and rights would be mistaken. The manipulated masses can switch their hate back towards Jews as quickly as their hate of Jews switched to communists and then Muslims.
Jews have nothing to fear from people who oppose Israeli war criminals and support everyone's rights to freedom and justice.
What an easy job Jonathan Kay has. The Israeli government releases statements promoting death and destruction. Kay makes a few minor edits, uses their images and puts his name on the resulting piece of BS. I can summarize Kay's article in one phrase:
Go Team Israel!
Kay doesn't know more than what the Israeli propaganda ministry tells him. I suggest you stop reading Kay and go straight to the source of Kay's information:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA
How this current round of violence started isn't a mystery. MHz already posted a reference to the incident:
If you want more details, this incident is described in more detail here.
How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline | The Electronic Intifada
MHz you should follow the link too as your source leaves out key details. As a result I think you have a wrong impression about the event. The distance the lethal bullet traveled indicates that IDF soldiers did not deliberately kill the boy. But firing in the general direction of a densely populated urban area was irresponsible. Colpy should give them a lesson in muzzle control.
New Page 6
Considering that IDF soldiers had been taking similar pot shots in the general direction of Gaza civilians for weeks preceding this event, random civilian deaths were inevitable. Part of the problem is a lack of concern on the part of Israeli soldiers regarding the safety of Gaza civilians. I'm certain they would not be so careless near Israeli civilians.
I understand the dead boy's family were upset and vowed revenge. Likely the RPG fired at Israeli soldiers the next day right after the funeral was related and deliberate. The series of Israeli strikes on Gaza that followed the RPG attack was also deliberate. Then the volley of Gaza rockets which followed the Israeli strikes were also deliberate.
Part of the problem is that in the current situation, a single irresponsible act by one side or the other can start an scalating cycle of violence.
What's your problem Dex? Do you have a double standard or are you ignorant of these facts:
1) Hamas has stated many times that their charter is obsolete. They'd change it, but they have more important issues right now than holding a charter convention. Hamas has proposed recognition of the State of Israel within the 1967 borders. that's been their position for years now.
2) The ruling Likud Party's charter calls for the creation of a Jewish state, that is now Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank... ie: the destruction of the Palestinian people.
reference
...Hamas (through Haniyeh and Meshal) had said many times over that it was willing to accept Israel as a political entity on the 1967 borders. You do not have to look hard for this, it was stated in the Guardian, Washington Post, amongst others, meaning that Hamas was now in line with most of the international community, accepting a two-state solution...
...In the "Peace and Security" chapter of the Likud Party platform, a recent document (1999) it says... ..."The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel.... ..."The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. ..."Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem,...
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=14772
I'm certain you are aware that bodies of dead Gaza children have been pulled from the destroyed buildings that you referenced in your posts. How are you able to mock their suffering? Do you lack compassion?Ok... fine... back on topic...
KABOOOOOM!
IMO, you are no different than those who celebrated on 9/11.
Bombing cities is old news:
I see no differences between one group of hate inspired war criminals killing innocent civilians and another. The war mongerers have successfully manipulated your hate and fear. Now you celebrate the death of innocent people in 2012 just like Franco did in 1937 and Bin Laden did in 2001.
For the record I am against killing any civilians... Gazans, Americans, Israeli...
Playing the antisemitic card whenever someone criticizes Israeli atrocities is a sleazy and lazy smear tactic designed to leverage guilt over the West's appalling human rights record regarding Jews..
The fact is most critics of Israel only oppose Israel's war criminals, not ordinary Jews or Israeli civilians. Most people criticizing Israeli war crimes today are motivated by the same principles of universal human rights, freedom and justice that also motivated people to help Jews during the Nazi era. In those days, the manipulated masses had a similar opinion of Jews, that you and other Islamaphobes have regarding Muslims today.
Any Jews who believe the manipulated masses will always support their freedom and rights would be mistaken. The manipulated masses can switch their hate back towards Jews as quickly as their hate of Jews switched to communists and then Muslims.
Jews have nothing to fear from people who oppose Israeli war criminals and support everyone's rights to freedom and justice.
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In that case the imaginary should be a kid in ratty clothes poking a stick into a hornets nest and then acting surprised when they get stung.
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Not really, I just can't stand fuks with guns that like to target children, or the dip****s like you and colpy who support them.
And yet you support Hamas, an organisation which uses women and children as human shields and has become the target of human rights groups because of the way it brutally tortures imprisoned Gazans?
You sure you have the right flag on your avatar? How (not so) odd that Hamas is said to acquire updated hardware when they look (and explode) just like what Israel has just installed by the 1,000's. Perhaps their claims are full of ****.
And yet you support the Israeli war machine, an organization which actually uses children as human shields in the tradition meaning:
Not only does the IDF use Palestinians as human shields, they've defending this war crime in the Israeli courts:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | IDF to appeal human shield ban
Brave Israeli soldiers hide behind an 11 year old Palestinian girl as they force her at gunpoint to walk in front of them as they search houses for armed Palestinian militants and booby traps:
Testimony of Jihan Nimer Shahir D'adush | B'Tselem
...Israel Defense Forces soldiers used an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield during the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a group of UN human rights experts said Monday. IDF troops ordered the boy to walk in front of soldiers being fired on in the Gaza neighborhood of Tel al-Hawa and enter buildings before them, ....'IDF troops used 11-year-old boy as human shield in Gaza' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Palestinian militants do not threaten children at gunpoint to act literally as human shields like the IDF Palestinian militants fight from densely populated urban areas, because nearly all of Gaza is a densely populated urban area. By that broad definition, Winston Churchill also used human shields.
And yet you support the Israeli torturers, who abduct 15 year old boys, strap electrodes onto their genitals and zap them repeatedly until they confess?
...a 15-year-old Palestinian from Beit Ummar village near Hebron, was arrested on 26 May, held in Gush Etzion detention centre, interrogated for six days allegedly using torture, then released after he “confessed” to throwing stones. He said security officials attached an electric cable to his genitals and threatened to give him electric shocks. In August, two NGOs, one Palestinian and the other Israeli, filed complaints to the Israeli police and army about his alleged torture. The police complaint was closed on the ground of “insufficient evidence...
https://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2011#section-67-9
...In the past 11 years alone, around 7,500
children, some as young as 12 years, are estimated to have been detained, interrogated,
and imprisoned within this system. This averages out at between 500-700 children per
year, or nearly two children, each and every day....
...the majority of children are detained in the
middle of the night in what are typically described as terrifying raids conducted by the
army. Most children have their hands painfully tied behind their backs and are blindfolded,
before being taken away to an unknown location for interrogation. The arrest and transfer
process is often accompanied by verbal abuse and humiliation, threats as well as physical
violence. Hours later the children find themselves in an interrogation room, alone, sleep
deprived, bruised and scared....
...most children undergo a coercive interrogation, mixing
verbal abuse, threats and physical violence, generally resulting in a confession. The most
common offence children confess to is throwing stones. The Report also finds that in 29
percent of cases, the children are either shown, or made to sign, documentation written
in Hebrew, a language they do not understand....
...a pattern of systematic ill-treatment... cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment or punishment, as defined in the UN Convention against Torture, and in some
cases, torture...
http://www.dci-palestine.org/sites/default/files/report_0.pdf
Blackleaf, would you please explain why you support the IDF torturing children and forcing children at gun point to block bullets and search for explosives?
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You're right Israel is not good enough to be a Mosquito they are in fact a parasitic tapeworm.
Most of the IDF are drafted into the military. Most are not war criminals who torture civilians or use them as human shields. But without a doubt some IDF soldiers have committed war crimes... probably about the same as the number of Palestinian militants who have also committed war crimes or tortured people.
BTW, about half of Hamas has nothing to do with the military branch. The civilian part of Hamas builds schools and hospitals and runs food banks. Many of the Hamas politicians rotting in Israeli dungeons have never committed an act of violence and are in fact political prisoners.
The majority of Gazans who suffer Israel's collective punishment are innocent civilians, not armed militants.
I suggest you stop drinking the pro-Israeli war criminal Kool-aid and instead side with the innocent civilians on both sides rather than one side's war criminals.
“In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.”
– Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, ‘La Revue de Paris’, p.574, June 1,1928
– Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, ‘La Revue de Paris’, p.574, June 1,1928
Well Baruch Levy was full of crap.
I don't believe for a second in a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Sure Jews stick together, just like the Mormons, Coptic Christians and every other religious minority that has a history of persecution.
No doubt many Jews have become wealthy and successful partly as a result of help from other Jews... Just like every other religious group. You don't think members of the every religious community tend to do business with one another rather than outsiders.
For all I know, you don't truly support Palestinian Rights and Freedoms. You seem more focused on antisemitic conspiracy theories. Everyone is entitled to an opinion... even if its way out there. Just don't expect the average person to take you seriously.
I don't believe for a second in a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Sure Jews stick together, just like the Mormons, Coptic Christians and every other religious minority that has a history of persecution.
No doubt many Jews have become wealthy and successful partly as a result of help from other Jews... Just like every other religious group. You don't think members of the every religious community tend to do business with one another rather than outsiders.
For all I know, you don't truly support Palestinian Rights and Freedoms. You seem more focused on antisemitic conspiracy theories. Everyone is entitled to an opinion... even if its way out there. Just don't expect the average person to take you seriously.