Advanced voting results are in, who is in the lead??

JLM

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Our Founding Fathers ostensibly believed in democracy - but their writings all point to a distrust of winning via popular vote. The Constitution does not specifically give anyone the right to vote - in those days this prerogative was given to the states to do as they defined what constitutes property and voting rights. These electors were appointed in those days by the states governors, people who were essentially elites and/or who owed favors to those governors. Thus, having these elites appointed as electors insured that elites would remain in power.

Why hasn't it been changed in all this time?

Not sure why, myself. But it is being considered by some.

Thanks, Gopher, I'd say it's time it was changed.
 

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JLM; said:
Thanks, Gopher, I'd say it's time it was changed.


YW!

I just found this on another site:

Constitutional Convention of 1787:


"A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union, and acting in concert, to delude them into any appointment." -- Delegate Gerry, July 25, 1787

"The extent of the country renders it impossible, that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the candidates." -- Delegate Mason, July 17, 1787

"The people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men." -- Delegate Gerry, July 19, 1787



This is part of their rationale in having appointed electors.
 

Just the Facts

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How about the whole paragraph and not just a cherry-picked sentence...


Yep, a great presidential candidate. Gets 4 guys to beat the man then blows off a 9mm by his ear all to get useless info of a non-existent attack. Sound the f*cking trumpets for this savior of humanity. :roll:

Oops...didn't mean to burst your bubble like that. :p

My bubble is intact. You wanna follow someone like Obama into the battle field, be my guest. I'll be with Col. West.
 

PoliticalNick

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"A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union, and acting in concert, to delude them into any appointment." -- Delegate Gerry, July 25, 1787
So the elite in power were worried that somebody else might delude the people and get elected.
"The extent of the country renders it impossible, that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the candidates." -- Delegate Mason, July 17, 1787
And the people were too stupid to differentiate between the elite liars and the other liars.
"The people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men." -- Delegate Gerry, July 19, 1787
And the people are stupid and might be convinced to vote for someone who wasn't part of the elite.


Our Founding Fathers ostensibly believed in democracy - but their writings all point to a distrust of winning via popular vote. The Constitution does not specifically give anyone the right to vote - in those days this prerogative was given to the states to do as they defined what constitutes property and voting rights. These electors were appointed in those days by the states governors, people who were essentially elites and/or who owed favors to those governors. Thus, having these elites appointed as electors insured that elites would remain in power.

Why hasn't it been changed in all this time?

Not sure why, myself. But it is being considered by some.
I think the bold text answers the question. Nothing has changed. All the presidents, in fact all the candidates, have been part of the 'elite' society for 236 years.

Yet according to some here on CanCon I am delusional and insane to think the election process is a big fraud perpetrated by the plutocrats to give the illusion of choice to the people.

My bubble is intact. You wanna follow someone like Obama into the battle field, be my guest. I'll be with Col. West.
I have seen firsthand the results of battle. I will follow nobody into it.
 

DaSleeper

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YW!

I just found this on another site:

Constitutional Convention of 1787:


"A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union, and acting in concert, to delude them into any appointment."
-- Delegate Gerry, July 25, 1787

"The extent of the country renders it impossible, that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the candidates."
-- Delegate Mason, July 17, 1787

"The people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men."
-- Delegate Gerry, July 19, 1787



This is part of their rationale in having appointed electors.

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Going way out on a limb here but I predict Obama with around 332 electoral votes. More if he takes Texas.
 

JLM

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Going way out on a limb here but I predict Obama with around 332 electoral votes. More if he takes Texas.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Romney has that by 1.25 million votes besides thats "W" territory. One interesting thing I have notice though. People living near major bodies of water seem to be much inclined to vote Dem. What do you suppose the phenomenum is there?
 

Goober

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Going way out on a limb here but I predict Obama with around 332 electoral votes. More if he takes Texas.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Romney has that by 1.25 million votes besides thats "W" territory. One interesting thing I have notice though. People living near major bodies of water seem to be much inclined to vote Dem. What do you suppose the phenomenum is there?

Fresh air clears the air and brain.
 

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While forum right wingers were hopeful that early voting would mean a Romney victory, the election did not turn out as they had hoped.

In the current election (with the voting day just a handful of weeks away) and with both parties pounding the pavement looking for votes, the early results are inconclusive at this juncture:


Morning Plum: Dems take comfort in new early voting numbers - The Washington Post


AP: Nearly 1 Million Americans Have Cast Ballots Already For Midterm Elections « CBS DC







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gopher

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Advanced voting in Georgia and North Carolina - majority of these voters are black:



GA-Gov/Sen & NC-Sen: More Than Half Of 2014 Sunday Early Voters In GA & NC Are Black






Early voting on Sundays has been one of the biggest fronts in the voting wars of recent years. Some of this past Sunday’s early voting numbers make the reason quite clear.
Data from two states that permit Sunday early voting, Georgia and North Carolina, show that 53 percent of the 25,000 early votes cast on Sunday were from black voters, compared with 27 percent of early voters across the two states since voting began for this year’s midterm elections.

“Souls to the Polls” drives are a big part of the explanation. Black churches often promote voting after services, sometimes even taking church members directly to the polls. Such drives are traditionally most popular on the Sunday before an election, when black turnout might be even higher than it was on Sunday. - New York Times, 10/29/14





People power - democracy in action.



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EagleSmack

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Democracy in action is right!

800,000 Sunday voting Democrats hand the Senate over to the GOP!


Go North Carolina!

Go Georgia!
 

EagleSmack

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Millennials just ain't "breaking" the way they are supposed to.

Soon the old Hippie Baby Boomer generation will go by the way of WWII generation but not as gracious as the latter did.