I didn't say restraining, I said beating.
It is important because restraining already shows an increased level of competence over beating someone.
Treatment of prisoner reprehensible!
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I didn't say restraining, I said beating.
It is important because restraining already shows an increased level of competence over beating someone.
I reread the article and there was no mention of 'beating'... Were these images on the video?
They didn't her see mental health issues as a problem?
She brought it on herself?
She decided she wanted to be nuts?
At age15 she is a ward of the courts/province and yes they CAN make her take her meds. The courts decided they wanted to be her parents so as their parents they should be paying for proper facilities IF THEY EXISTED but they don't so here she is. Dead.
If you have no clue of the charges how can you claim there is a victim?
Are you saying once a week is too much?
I used the word excuse.. You changed it to 'problem'
No.. It's the guard's fault.. Even before she got in trouble as a youth.
No.. The guards made that decision. They poisoned her drinking water years in advance just so they would have a chance to use that roll of duct tape that was gathering dust on the shelf
She is in a proper facility, and based on the family's inability or lack of interest in finding her a facility, she was LEFT in the care of the State, and the State deemed that where she was located IS a proper facility.
If there is any question regarding the suitability of the State facilities, there is nothing stopping the family or any detractors from ponying-up the dough and taking her somewhere that is up to your standards.
Excellent point!
M'lud, as this internet forum provided no direct and compelling evidence that an assault occurred, the defense moves for an immediate mistrial.
Once a week for?....
Did you friend Google find any? Society is legally her mom and dad and family. That's how in works in the criminal justice system. If juvenile loonie bins for criminals existed why wasn't she in one?
Once a week for about 3-4 minutes is how long they see a shrink or any other mental heath professional. How do you treat somebody for their mental health disease in 3-4 mins a week?
Here's one: http://homewood.org/
If you prefer, there's also: Psychiatric Hospitals and Medical Centers
Nope... Until such time that M&P forfeit their legal obligation, society gets to clean up her mess
No alternatives then, eh?
I suppose that they could have pursued options with any of these folks before things got so far out of control.
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I see... Nothing but the best for snookums, unless it actually costs you money out of pocket... Then the alternative is to rely on the public services and rail at how it isn't up to your high standards.
You wanna get in the game, then time to ante-up
You wanna get in the game, then time to ante-up
I see we still have an illustrious poster here who continues to hand out "reds" because he hasn't got enough brains to debate the point sensibly. For now he/she shall remain anonymous.
I do believe that you're right on that - and I'm assuming that you are referring to Karma and not ketamine.... Big difference there.
In the end, what angers me on this so much is that the wild double standard that gets applied. It seems that if you're in the military, police or in this case, security services - there is nothing that one can do that will ever be right or appropriate. On the other hand, become a ward of the system and every conceivable form of latitude and benefit of the doubt is heaped upon you without question.
Clearly Ashley was no one's idea of a golden child. And she does bear a lot of the responsibility, particularly as she got older, for her own behaviour. But I think it's pretty clear that there was something seriously messed up with this girl too.
And it wasn't being restrained that did her in. Being restrained looks horrific when you're watching it on video. Of course it looks torturous, someone being restrained is usually kicking and screaming. But it looks far worse than what it is and it's often necessary for safety reasons, both her safety and the safety of others.
What really did her in, I think, was the constant moving around which circumvented the automatic review process that occurs when someone is confined to isolation for a set period of time (can't remember if it's 60 days or 90 days, it's been a while since I've seen/read up on her story). It amounted to shuffling off a problem to someone else, from one institution to another. But Ashley wasn't just their problem, she was also their responsibility. And transferring prisoners is not up to the guards who are restraining her, that order comes from farther up the chain. They are the ones responsible for allowing the situation to degrade to the point that it did.
And it wasn't being restrained that did her in. Being restrained looks horrific when you're watching it on video. Of course it looks torturous, someone being restrained is usually kicking and screaming. But it looks far worse than what it is and it's often necessary for safety reasons, both her safety and the safety of others.
What really did her in, I think, was the constant moving around which circumvented the automatic review process that occurs when someone is confined to isolation for a set period of time (can't remember if it's 60 days or 90 days, it's been a while since I've seen/read up on her story). It amounted to shuffling off a problem to someone else, from one institution to another. But Ashley wasn't just their problem, she was also their responsibility. And transferring prisoners is not up to the guards who are restraining her, that order comes from farther up the chain. They are the ones responsible for allowing the situation to degrade to the point that it did.
Sorry but that's the way it works. If you put a looney in the hoosegow It costs money and apparently lives.
It's what you want so deal with it. If you don't want to pay for loonie bins, get used to inquests into the wrongful deaths and costs involved in housing loonies in a corrections facility.
The more I hear about this case (just on C.B.C. radio now) the sicker I feel. What do you suppose the original nefarious crime was? Murder? Kidnapping? Mugging? Home Invasion? Extortion? Nope.....................throwing crab apples at a postal worker, which landed her in the slammer in the first place! The entire justice system, prison system, needs radical revamping from stem to gudgeon!
Of course she deserved a couple of years of bad treatment then death...she tossed an apple at the postman :roll:
I guess I've taken several things away from all this................1. She was a product of the system. 2. Absolutely the wrong people in the system were put in charge of her care. 3. A huge coverup was allowed to stand for two years. and #4. the worst part, they made a huge "mountain out of a mole hill".
Roger on the Karma. I don't recognize a double standard here though. apples to oranges There's absolutely no profit in beating the poor and infirm. Make them toe some line what will the return be? I can't imagine a ward of our state heaped with anything except contempt. Welfare bums are ruining the country the rich corporate tax dodgers say. In a cohesive nation state the military and police and the administration in general are held in esteem they earn through honest ethical execution of their stations. Today is no different they have earned the wages they take away. The contempt is not an irrational spontaneous outpouring it's entirely their natural due because they no longer protect and serve the people. That's my opinion. Pleasure talking with you, as always.