jackpot!
That would be a wrong. The funding for it is 90% of what it used to be. Now you know why there is so many free range lunatics on the streets.
Treatment of prisoner reprehensible!
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Then you need to learn about the corrections system. There are many things you can be charged with inside the facility that are not breaking any laws and are dealt with in their private kangaroo court. Basically anytime a guard tells you to do something, no matter what, your refusal will result in a correctional charge. Calling a screw a d*ck or an a$$hole will also get you charged. Like I said, if she broke a law, physically assaulted a guard, got caught with drugs etc, they HAVE to refer it to the RCMP & Crown for proper charges so unless she was dragged into court 500 times they are correctional charges.
I am not blaming them for her actions and I'm not blaming her for their actions. Without even watching any video the description of the incident on the plane shows they were antagonizing her and using unnecessary force and being cruel while laughing about it. They should all be collecting welfare and seeking other employment right now. No question about it.
It's often got more to do with who is doing the asking than what is being asked. I had one f*****g boss to be put politely (the guy was actually a f**king A$$hole) the chemistry wasn't compatible, it didn't matter much what his "marching orders" were!
I think you have it pegged pretty close, Nick.
500? That's it? She's a lightweight for a nutter in the regular system. If in somewhere like North Battleford, she'd be run of the mill.
So, you're saying that it's OK for Smith to be charged 500+ times while in custody?
Should she be commended, maybe reduce her sentence for this stellar behavior?
Should she be commended, maybe reduce her sentence for this stellar behavior?
Sounds good... On that note, if we're to applaud Smith's actions that lead to all those charges, maybe we ought to give the security people a raise and promotion in the event that the Court tries to charge them with any negligence.
Negligence causing death should result in a tripling or maybe quadrupling of pay, no?
Too bad that the family didn't ante-up and get her in a private facility - or is that asking too much?
Knowing a bit about the correctional system and their kangaroo court system I would guess that at least 75% are bogus. Maybe more. They are not trained or equipped to deal with people with disorders.
So what about the degrading and cruel treatment these video's show her receiving? Do the screws get a free pass to do these things because of her history?
Ok then.. Abolish the courts
I suppose that the family could have had her placed in a private facility... But that would cost them money, right?
Easier to wash your hands of the kid and let the system deal with it.
... But Smith biting, kicking and spitting on the security folks is not degrading to those people?
Sheesh
I think you hit the nail on the head where you asked if it is society's responsibility, but now when I look for the quote I can't find it.
I think you misunderstand. If she breaks a law then it goes to crown counsel and into the actual court system. I am fine with that. If she calls some guard a d*ckhead it is a correctional charge dealt with in a kangaroo court with another guard acting as judge & jury and you cannot have a lawyer. This is bogus.
Where did I say that? I said quite the opposite. I do not forgive or condone her actions at all but I am not going to forgive or condone the guards responding in kind either. There actions are actually far more reprehensible as they are not suffering from some mental disorder and are supposed to be able to rise above the actions of the incarcerated.
I tell you now, I don't care what the situation is somebody tries to duct tape my kids face or ties him to a seat and lets him sh*t his pants and they will answer to me in a dark alley one night.
You ever notice an offender often gets a lighter sentence for his 31st offense than for the first one? There's a reason for that, the weak kneed judge is just admitting the system isn't working. 500 times?????????? I think probably the entire staff at the institution should be canned - hold on- maybe the ones who set the rules for the institution too.
What are the charges? Posession of a fashion magazine? Smoking? You have a list? Where are the private facilities and how much per day? How often do nutter inmates see their shrinks? How often do they see anyone from mental health agencies?
Let me ask you a hypothetical:
If your kid violated school rules and was punished, would there be no basis in reality because the complaint wasn't dealt with the the provincial or federal courts?
Like it or not, she was incarcerated and the rules and systems that are in place are her problem. Further, she physically assaulted the guards.
You appear to be applying a separate standard to the guards and Smith. The courts didn't see Smith's mental condition as a passable excuse to dismiss her many incidents, I fail to see why I should.
The answer is easy - don't want that to occur to your kid, instill in them the nature that there are consequences to all things that they do.
Not once in this discussion have you even acknowledged that Smith's actions have impacted the people whom she has assaulted.
You say that Smith doesn't deserve this treatment?.. I whole heatedly agree, but I also back up that sentiment that the people that Smith abused didn't deserve that treatment either.
She brought this on herself - mental illness or not. No one held a gun to her head and demanded that she assault people.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
Can't smoke in gvt buildings... She'd be breaking the law now, wouldn't she.
Nope... Apparently you don't either
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Are you saying that society ought to force them at gun point to see their shrinks and take their meds?
If not, it isn't my problem
Are you saying that society ought to force them at gun point to see their shrinks and take their meds?
If not, it isn't my problem
Someone that breaks the law because of mental illness should be treated for the mental illness.
Depends on the family, the level of service required and how much of it the system will fund.
Timeline - the fifth estate
"Ashley had a normal childhood. She liked camping at the beach, kayaking, and riding her bike....... Ashley’s mom Coralee hired a psychologist to get an assessment. The psychologist found no evidence of mental illness just behavioral problems."
Shouldn't be the 'system's problem. The family either goes the private route or settles for the public facilities.
There are some rules in the school system I agree with and some I don't. One of my sons was caught bypassing security on the computer network and downloading porn, he received a month of detention working with the IT guy and I supported that. When he was attacked by a bully (witnessed by a teacher & playground supervisor) and defended himself they tried to suspend him, I fought this because he has a right to defend himself from assault.
If she assaulted a guard it should be referred to crown for prosecution in the courts.
No, I am applying the same standard, she is wrong to assault them and they are wrong to assault her in response. Both situations should go to the crown for prosecution.
If all 500 charges went into the courts that is fine but I can be quite sure that a very small percentage proceeded this way and most were institutional charges dealt with in their kangaroo court.
Fortunately we did and have never had them in trouble with the police.
Of course they did. That is no excuse for duct taping someone's face or not letting them use a toilet.
I agree. What you have to consider is that they chose a job where there was a likelihood of it happening.
To a point yes, but a mental illness is a reasonable and recognized defense to a lot of things. This is not a defense available to those that assaulted her and used 'cruel & unusual punishment' (ie duct tape and letting her sh*t herself) against her.
I really think we can agree that she is at least somewhat culpable for her actions but the guards also have to be culpable for theirs. My opinion is they are more culpable because they have no mental illness defense and are supposed to be trained to deal with situations of assault in a responsible manner, which they didn't.
The public facility is "the system" but even though, private facilities get public money
I need to bookmark this thread. CM is cited the CBC to defend his position. What's next, JLM admitting he's a leech?
What a terrible ****ogy. In your ****ogy, do the teachers end up putting on armor and beating up my kid and then use the 500 detentions she received as justification? ****ogies are for people that are unable to make a reasoned discussion about the actual context so they try to simplify the context.
These are guards that witness a girl try to strangle herself repeatedly, and instead of deciding to contact a psychiatrist decide to ignore her since she has the habit of getting violent when people try to stop her. Anybody can see this is a mentally disturbed girl.
I suppose if your kid had a record of kicking, biting, spitting and physically abusing others to the tune of 500 repeated incidents, then ya - armor and restraining the little sh*t would fit the bill.