Yeah, let's rebuild the Avro Arrow
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I'm inclined to agree. From what was on the news about it this looks like a few people with idle manufacturing plants in Ontario looking to get in on some taxpayer money. I think they lowballed the development number in an attempt to get a foot in the door and spend us into a program we won't be able to afford to drop.
From what I have read the Arrow had some serious design flaws particularly in its missile deployment system. It was a bit awkward and slow to deploy and that would be valuable time lost in a firefight.
I did an essay on the Arrow in grade 12 and, from what I researched the biggest reason it was snowballed was pressure from Americans. The reasearch that I did was not only at the library (before the internet) but, first hand accounts from former employees of Avro. I lived in Brampton growing up and Malton was right next door,(where they were built) there were alot of McDonald Douglas employees around at the time who happened to be my friends grandfathers,fathers and uncles and alot of them were there and employed at Avro.
To make a long story short, the Americans were not happy with abunch of hicks (canoe builders) designing and possibly selling advanced fighter jets to the rest of world. It was designed as an interceptor fighter jet, it was the first swept wing fighter jet, it had Canadian Iroqouis engines and it had Canadian weapon systems,it was 100% Canadian and, from the limited testing it did recieve it was 20 years ahead of its time. It was still in the development stages when it was scrapped and, we never did see its full potential.
To make a long story short, the Americans were not happy with abunch of hicks (canoe builders) designing and possibly selling advanced fighter jets to the rest of world. It was designed as an interceptor fighter jet, it was the first swept wing fighter jet, it had Canadian Iroqouis engines and it had Canadian weapon systems,it was 100% Canadian and, from the limited testing it did recieve it was 20 years ahead of its time. It was still in the development stages when it was scrapped and, we never did see its full potential.
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Did you get an F on the report?
First Swept wing fighter...
Delta Wing Fighter
How about "first white delta winged fighter built in Canada"?
ARROW 201 Takes Off - YouTube
I'd say that would be accurate.
I was waiting for you to jump in seeing your baby in flight and not getting its due respects.
I'd say that would be accurate.
I was waiting for you to jump in seeing your baby in flight and not getting its due respects.
The Arrow didn't have much of a history but what there is may as well be right. I watched 201 take
off at Downsview and I was hooked.
Due respects was referencing the poster saying the Arrow was the first swept wing fighter. So far from truth considering the Saber was the first swept wing and the Arrow was a Delta wing fighter (not the first either).
That's why I asked if he got an F on his report.
We should buy Russian or Chinese which would get us exactly the same treatment as we got when the Arrow threatened US manufacturers. We will never be allowed to build or operate any US unapproved armaments, ever. You can't trust pinko's
You were entirely right. The F-86 also had a slight dihedral angle on the wings and a more pronounced dihedral on the flying tail plane....
unique for a very short while.
It's about the same size as an F-15
What are you saying? The CF-100 was certainly competent as an all weather interceptor. Completely designed and
built in Canada. I would say the Arrow was competent but the government of the day was not.
Good one Lou. :lol:
via Fark:
Canadian National Defense guy: "Hey, I know...let's cancel the contract for American F-35s, dust off those plans of the Avro Arrow from the 1950s and build those instead. That'll be MUCH cheaper"
OTTAWA—A consortium of Canadian manufacturers sought to go back in time to help move Canada’s air force into the future.
Documents obtained by Global News indicate the storied CF-105 Avro Arrow was put forward as an alternative to the purchase of F-35 stealth fighter jets.
And among the project’s champions is one of Canada’s top soldiers, retired Maj.Gen. Lewis MacKenzie.
The Arrow was an advanced, all-weather supersonic interceptor jet developed in the 1950s but the project was scrapped before a single plane could be built.
But MacKenzie told the Global TV show “The West Block” that the Arrow’s basic design and platform still exceed any current fighter jet and it’s perfect for Canada’s needs.
more cool story bro stuff:
New Avro Arrow design pitched to feds as alternative for F-35s: report - thestar.com
Debatable. Building planes is expensive, though economies of scale could offset the costs somewhat. If we can build enough of them to ensure a reasonable per-unit cost, fine, which might mean having to export them too. failing that though, maybe not. It might be worth exploring the economics of it first to see how feasable it is, but I certainly wouldn't support going that route just because it's Canadian. We need solid economic and other rational reasons for it, not emotional ones.
They might have laughed, as I just did, if the Arrow was a, or marketed as a fighter jet.
They were threatened by the Arrow?
Why?
It wasn't competent.
Its MOS was on its way out as it was being designed.