Yeah, let's rebuild the Avro Arrow
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I thought I was mistaken that the F-86 was the first swept wing fighter. I thought I was going to get slammed with the ME-262 having a swept wing appearance. I however read that although the ME-262 had swept wings it was not considered a swept wing fighter because the characteristics of the wings gave it no noticeable advantage.
No doubt. You could create a whole industrial sector, built around getting the thing to do something other than fly supersonic and lob missiles.
We deffinately need something soon because our next problem will be out northern souverignty. There is where i would be investing military wise
I agree. Although I hope we won't need to do anything with that military presence, other than putting Canadian boots on the ground.
yup same here , just that would be a deterent . but immidiate logical approach .... drones.
The F-86 did inherit a few things from the me-262. If you look at the 262 and imagine the wing mounted engines gone and sketch in
an open air intake in the nose and a jet exhaust in the rear. What you end up with looks a lot like the F-86.
Satellite first then boots. High ground and reliable comm would be a great starting point.
I'm a fan of the piston powered planes. Nothing sounds sweeter than a supercharged rolls or merlin.
Be prepared...........may not have been a boy scout, but that applies to just about everything in life and it applies to our role in the Arctic. In the meantime, boots on the ground are a great idea..............our wonderful Canadian Rangers wouldn't mind a little help, I'm sure.
It's a start.
Haven't a clue what you are talking about but it doesn't matter...........anything that will give us more a of presence in the North, has my vote.
The Arrow was fifty odd years ago. It was designed to counter Soviet bombers coming in over
the pole back in the fifties. As an interceptor it had no equal. The group wanting to rebuild
the Arrow were not planning to build an exact copy but a modernized version using modern
materials and engines. To me, spending 25 billion for sixty F-35s is nonsense. I would rather
we spent our money in this country than subsidize Lockheed Martin.
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That's conjecture. It never saw service.
That's awesome, it would still be a waste of time and money. The platform is a dinosaur, as is the slated MOS.
I agree.
There was nothing around at the time that was even close in terms of speed, altitude, and weapons. How many
fighters, interceptors at the time were capable of mach 2? For the job the arrow was designed for, it was the best
they could do.
I don't know why you think the platform was a dinosaur. What in the fifties was better?
Yes there was.
Irrelevant since the Arrow was nowhere near combat capable at the time, but the F106.
The Arrow, as we have been over before, was a pig in a fight and would have lost to even a piston aircraft at subsonic low level aerial combat.
It never did the job they hoped it would do.
Almost anything already shaken down, with a proven weapons system on board, but the F106 comes to mind.
American F-106 Delta Dart
Maiden flight: 1956
Maximum speed: Mach 2.3
Range: 1,800 mi
Service ceiling: 57,000 ft (17,000 m)
Thrust/weight ratio: 0.71
CF-105 Arrow
Maiden flight: 1958
Maximum speed: Mach 1.96
Range: 410 mi
Service ceiling: 53,000 ft (16,150 m)
Thrust/weight ratio: 0.439
Unfortunately, these numbers are it's performance using the less powerful J-79 engines
maximum speed with the Orenda engines would likely have been in the area of Mach 2.5 or better.
The service ceiling would have been close to 70,000 ft. The Arrow had plenty hard points for carrying
fuel tanks, weapons, and we know that the Dart didn't fly 1800 miles on internal fuel.
Would likely have been?
We need to stick to what is/was.
The wings were never designed for external weapon systems. The drag was deemed to excessive at 20%.
All weapons systems were centered around the bay.
Not an Arrow but...
This next photo was taken as the prototype Vulcan made a low pass over the Runway at the 1958 Syerston Battle of Britain display. It was being used by Rolls Royce as a test bed for the Conway engine (Victor/VC-10 and Boeing 707 engine). Despite4 appearances the catastrophe was nothing to do with the engine, but a structural failure of the wing!
Avro Vulcan Crash 20th September 1958 - Keith Sturt - YouTube
Meh, it's a wash.
Bomarc missiles, or untested, unproven Arrows, for a menace that never appeared.