Iran's Nuclear Program

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  • Iran possesses nuclear weapons

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  • Most Iranians believe conflict with the West is inevitable

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  • Most Iranians hate Americans

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gerryh

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No not BS- Reagan did say one thing- Trust but Verify when making an arms treaty with the USSR- Try that with Pakistan- N Korea - Iran- China- US -

Every facility open- not going to happen


With the attitude like you have, and many others, you're right. It ain't gonna happen because the desire for it to happen is not there.
 

Goober

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With the attitude like you have, and many others, you're right. It ain't gonna happen because the desire for it to happen is not there.

Not my attitude that makes the decisions- If you think that then you are wrong- just the way the world is.
 

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I don't accept that statement. The world "is" what we make it.

Some things I want- But to tell me the world is what we make it is blather- not being rude- only relevant to those close to you and the impact you have on them.

Very very few change the world and then in a very small way
 

gerryh

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Some things I want- But to tell me the world is what we make it is blather- not being rude- only relevant to those close to you and the impact you have on them.

Very very few change the world and then in a very small way


Then why are you getting all up tight about Iran? One person can't do a damn thing about it.
 

earth_as_one

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There is a bit of a difference between taking out an international terrorist and bombing school busses.

I don't see a difference between the actions of one group of terrorists and another. Both sides deliberately target civilians and neither side should possess nuclear weapons.

Israel's Mossad trained assassins of Iran nuclear scientists, report says
Feb.09, 2012
U.S. officials confirm link between clandestine Israeli operations and People’s Mujahedin of Iran activists, according to NBC News report.

Mossad officials are training Iranian dissident activists to assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists, a NBC News report citing U.S. officials said on Thursday. The report noted, however, that Washington was not directly involvement in the alleged attacks.

The report by NBC News followed Iranian accusations that Israel and the U.S. had been orchestrating attacks against Iranian scientists and military officials associated with Iran's nuclear program.

These accusations resurfaced following the most recent alleged attack, as Iranian media reported last month that nuclear scientist Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan was killed by a bomb placed on his car by a motorcyclist in Tehran.

According to the semi-official Fars news agency, Ahmadi Roshan, 32, supervised a department at Natanz uranium enrichment facility in Isfahan province.

The United States has denied involvement in the killing and condemned it. Israel has declined to comment.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-iran-nuclear-scientists-report-says-1.411945

Sure sounds like terrorism.

At least Hamas took responsibility for the bus attack, claiming they believed it was full of soldiers, not children:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-t-mean-to-target-israeli-school-bus-1.354967

Also context is important:
On Tuesday, a Palestinian man was killed in the buffer zone of the Gaza Strip. The Israeli military claimed that they shot the man as he was armed and approaching the border, but Palestinian medical sources stated that no weapon was found at the scene.

Air raids were reported both Tuesday and Wednesday night in several areas, resulting in injuries to five civilians. Two were children, and two were women, one of whom is pregnant. Furthermore damage was reported to property including a plastics factory.

Following rocket fire from Gaza on Thursday, one of which struck an Israeli school bus in Beer Sheva injuring two, the Israeli military launched an assault upon Gaza using shelling from tanks, and aerial fire from a combination of F-16 fighter jets, Apache helicopters and unmanned drones.

Attacks were reported throughout the Gaza Strip and have, thus far, resulted in the deaths of ten Palestinians, eight of whom were civilians, and the injury of over 40 residents. Both the numbers killed and injured included children.

This Week in Palestine week 14 2011 - International Middle East Media Center

Palestinians and Iranians both have to deal with Israeli terrorist attacks against civilian targets.
 

PoliticalNick

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There is a bit of a difference between taking out an international terrorist and bombing school busses.

Not really, murder is murder and that's all there is to it. Trying to justify a contract killing is absurd to say the least. And that is exactly what the demise of Bin-laden was....a contract killing. Obama should be behind bars because if you or I paid a bunch of guys to kill somebody that is where we would be.
 

CDNBear

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I saw that movie too....;-)
Obviously. You and Doug share a common trait.

I don't see a difference between the actions of one group of terrorists and another.
Yes you do.

Palestinian terrorists were driven to it by oppression and injustice.

Israel terrorism is imperialistic.


Not really, murder is murder and that's all there is to it. Trying to justify a contract killing is absurd to say the least.
Kind of like trying to justify attempted murder over a property line.
 

earth_as_one

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For the record: I condemn all acts of terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Please try to stay on topic and do not attempt to deliberately twist people's meanings or attribute to people opinions they don't have

back on topic
WASHINGTON, Aug 9 (Reuters) - The United States still believes that Iran is not on the verge of having a nuclear weapon and that Tehran has not made a decision to pursue one, U.S. officials said on Thursday.

Their comments came after Israeli media reports claimed U.S. President Barack Obama had received a new National Intelligence Estimate saying Iran had made significant and surprising progress toward military nuclear capability.

Later, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak suggested that the new U.S. report, which he acknowledged might be something other than a National Intelligence Estimate, "transforms the Iranian situation into an even more urgent one."

But a White House National Security Council spokesman disputed the Israeli reports, saying the U.S. intelligence assessment of Iran's nuclear activities had not changed since intelligence officials delivered testimony to Congress on the issue earlier this year.

"We believe that there is time and space to continue to pursue a diplomatic path, backed by growing international pressure on the Iranian government," the spokesman said. "We continue to assess that Iran is not on the verge of achieving a nuclear weapon."

Iran Nuclear Program: U.S. Believes Iran Not On Verge Of Nuclear Weapon

Clearly economic sanctions against Iran have nothing to do with an Iranian nuclear weapon threat.
 
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Colpy

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There seems to be some indication Iran has stopped short of full development of nuclear arms, at least according to Obama's intelligence services, and it appears some Israeli sources agree.

Israel is the nation at risk here, and I would trust their judgement on the matter. Their intelligence capabilities seem exceptionally accurate.

And if they decide to strike Iran's facilities, I would trust their judgement there as well.
 

earth_as_one

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There seems to be some indication Iran has stopped short of full development of nuclear arms, at least according to Obama's intelligence services, and it appears some Israeli sources agree.

Israel is the nation at risk here, and I would trust their judgement on the matter. Their intelligence capabilities seem exceptionally accurate.

And if they decide to strike Iran's facilities, I would trust their judgement there as well.
Israel has a record of being deceptive when it suits their purposes. Israel wants the US to start a war with Iran, just like they wanted the US to start a war with Iraq. Disinformation from Israel was a factor in the US decision to attack Iraq because of their non-existent WMD stockpiles.

...The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister. The OSP absorbed this heady brew of raw intelligence, rumour and plain disinformation and made it a "product", a prodigious stream of reports with a guaranteed readership in the White House...
Special investigation: The spies who pushed for war on Iraq | World news | The Guardian
 

CDNBear

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Israel has a record of being deceptive when it suits their purposes. Israel wants the US to start a war with Iran, just like they wanted the US to start a war with Iraq. Disinformation from Israel was a factor in the US decision to attack Iraq because of their non-existent WMD stockpiles.
From Israel's perspective, what would be the purpose of starting a war with Iran?
 

Just the Facts

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Or Iraq for that matter. Israeli intelligence has a pretty good reputation, so I wouldn't doubt that some WMD's were in fact transferred to Syria. Still, even if the intelligence is wrong, I don't see any evidence that it was made up. It's just a case of "you asked what I think I know, so I told ya". Nothing more.
 

Colpy

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Israel has a record of being deceptive when it suits their purposes. Israel wants the US to start a war with Iran, just like they wanted the US to start a war with Iraq. Disinformation from Israel was a factor in the US decision to attack Iraq because of their non-existent WMD stockpiles.

...The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister. The OSP absorbed this heady brew of raw intelligence, rumour and plain disinformation and made it a "product", a prodigious stream of reports with a guaranteed readership in the White House...
Special investigation: The spies who pushed for war on Iraq | World news | The Guardian

Absolute baloney.

Israel is interested in survival, and the stability that ensures that survival.

Funny, it seems Syria has stockpiles of WMD........how do you know none came from Iraq??

Israel, in case you haven't noticed, has moved away from talk of attack on Iran as its intelligence services deduct Iran has backed off the nuclear weapons threats......

Meanwhile Iran is sending aid to that murderous bastard in Syria.
 

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There seems to be some indication Iran has stopped short of full development of nuclear arms, at least according to Obama's intelligence services, and it appears some Israeli sources agree.

Israel is the nation at risk here, and I would trust their judgement on the matter. Their intelligence capabilities seem exceptionally accurate.

And if they decide to strike Iran's facilities, I would trust their judgement there as well.

Please tell me what I'm missing here. The US has the largest pile of WMDs in the world. They are constantly adding to that pile and trying to improve what they do have and yet nobody here seems to bat an eye. Where is all the outrage. Why is it ok for America to continue to develop chemical and bio weapons? Why does nobody whine about Israel having nukes or Chem & bio weapons? I think it is time for all to realize what is good for 1 country is good for all so if Iran & Syria want a nuclear program or bio weapons they can have them and there is nothing the west can really say until they fully dismantle their own programs and weapons.
 

MapleDog

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Please tell me what I'm missing here. The US has the largest pile of WMDs in the world. They are constantly adding to that pile and trying to improve what they do have and yet nobody here seems to bat an eye. Where is all the outrage. Why is it ok for America to continue to develop chemical and bio weapons? Why does nobody whine about Israel having nukes or Chem & bio weapons? I think it is time for all to realize what is good for 1 country is good for all so if Iran & Syria want a nuclear program or bio weapons they can have them and there is nothing the west can really say until they fully dismantle their own programs and weapons.

I would say its cause the USA is on the side of good,while Iran is on the dark side.
 

gerryh

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Please tell me what I'm missing here. The US has the largest pile of WMDs in the world. They are constantly adding to that pile and trying to improve what they do have and yet nobody here seems to bat an eye. Where is all the outrage. Why is it ok for America to continue to develop chemical and bio weapons? Why does nobody whine about Israel having nukes or Chem & bio weapons? I think it is time for all to realize what is good for 1 country is good for all so if Iran & Syria want a nuclear program or bio weapons they can have them and there is nothing the west can really say until they fully dismantle their own programs and weapons.



If this is what you believe, then I would say you have a comprehension problem.