FP: Northern Gateway hearings in Alberta cancelled after failing to draw participants

[petros]

"We've taken a lot of delegations, a lot of presentations, we've tried our best to educate ourselves.

At least they tried...faillure isn't all shame when you at least try.

 

[Kakato]

Now that was a sensible idea.

Pretty hilarious read.

Alberta Robbing British Columbia of its Resources?!

Since we use BC wind for 2% of Alberta's power it would have been a friendly gesture to give BC 2% of the cash windfall (pun intended). Alberta, with a population of 2.5 million, one third of whom pay taxes, should have given half a million dollars to BC for breaking wind. We will not even touch on BC's Chinook winds that raise Alberta's winter temperatures and reduce Albertans' heating bills. Albertans are so blatant in their non payment of BC Chinook winds, that they even go so far as to call them ALBERTA Chinooks. What cheek!

 

[petros]

Slightly above zero. There are some bio fuel generators around the interior. Don't know how much of their power is sold and how much is used by the companies themselves. Harmac pulpmill is re rigging one of their biofuel generators to sell power.
There is supposed to be a small tidal system go in at a resort on Sonora island. Don't know the status of it at this time. Last I heard the greenies were putting up an opposition to it. A few small wind farms are operating and I know of one being built on the north end of the island. Being built by the local band(read taxpayer)
Hard to build anything in BC anymore. There is always someone protesting any development.
One of the smarter proposals that for some unexplainable reason is going nowhere fast is to take Vancouver's garbage to the former pulp mill at Gold River and burn it in the existing generator.

And yet the the moonbeams have zero issues with lighting up a fat doobie of indoor grown pot. Go ****ing figure.

 

[beaker]

And Now, for the final act, let us present our esteemed conservative party in the act of cancelling the hearings because, well, because, well, we don't think we really need all that info stuff anyway. Cabinet can make the decision already, what we need that gnawlej stuff for.

So now the Conservatives have limited the time allowed for the hearings. This is great, we will be able to see the proponents stutter and stall through their presentation until the time is used up, and then voila, no record of any opposition. Stupid stupid stupid.

 

[petros]

Cabinet has final say. As investors what do you think they will do?

 

[beaker]

Cabinet has final say. As investors what do you think they will do?

Of course they have final say. As investors it seems really strange that they would make a decision based on incomlete data.

 

[petros]

Of course they have final say. As investors it seems really strange that they would make a decision based on incomlete data.

What data might that be? That it is going ahead no matter wthat greenie weenies think? Chew on that data and see where you end up.

 

[beaker]

What data might that be? That it is going ahead no matter wthat greenie weenies think? Chew on that data and see where you end up.

Is that a back to the future kind of question? How would we know what data the sensible capitalists opposed to the proposed pipeline might come up with. Harper isn't gong to give them a chance to tell us. the thing Harper and his sycophants have forgotten is that they won't make the final decision, the people of Canada will do that.

 

[Kakato]

We should just upgrade Churchills port and build the line to that one.

Build it and they will come.

 

[taxslave]

And Now, for the final act, let us present our esteemed conservative party in the act of cancelling the hearings because, well, because, well, we don't think we really need all that info stuff anyway. Cabinet can make the decision already, what we need that gnawlej stuff for.

So now the Conservatives have limited the time allowed for the hearings. This is great, we will be able to see the proponents stutter and stall through their presentation until the time is used up, and then voila, no record of any opposition. Stupid stupid stupid.

So they should limit the time for presentations. All this costs us money. Written presentations are always accepted so if you have anything meaningful to add just send them a double registered letter. 200 NIMBYs and NOPEs all taking their allotted time in front of a microphone to parrot each other is not productive or cost effective.
After you have been to a few public hearings you would feel sorry for the people that are forced to sit and listen to all the presentations no matter which side you are on.

 

[petros]

We should just upgrade Churchills port and build the line to that one.

Build it and they will come.

That's already in the plan Stan.

 

[Kakato]

That's already in the plan Stan.

Right on,I'm sure they will welcome the money it will bring.

 

[petros]

Manitobans aren't stupid. They have oodles of cheap electricty for sale to the biggest industries and some Bakken bucks to play with.

Why haven't we heard a peep from the MB NDP?

Take a wild guess.

"It's a big country, there's sea-to-sea-to-sea and there are lots of opportunities around the country to look at ways we can be an energy supplier to the world," Manitoba Premier Greg Selinger said.

"There's an east coast, there's a northern coast, and there's domestic supply."

Real NDP

 

[Kakato]

Manitobans aren't stupid. They have oodles of cheap electricty for sale to the biggest industries and some Bakken bucks to play with.

Why haven't we heard a peep from the MB NDP?

Take a wild guess.

Real NDP

Looks good,look's real good! One always has to keep the options open.

Port of Churchill Welcomes First-Ever Ship From Russia

October 17, 2007

Churchill, Man. - The Churchill Gateway Development Corporation is pleased to announce that the first-ever ocean shipment from Russia has arrived at the Port of Churchill.

A Murmansk Shipping Company vessel, the Kapitan Sviridov, will unload a shipment of fertilizer imported by Farmers of North America, a farm membership-based organization. Upon discharge of the fertilizer, the Russian vessel will be loaded with 20,000 tonnes of wheat destined for Italy - part of the Canadian Wheat Board's largest wheat shipping program through Churchill since 1977.

 

[petros]

Looks good,look's real good! One always has to keep the options open.

When you have your own ocean why give BC the benefit?

MB has lots of this to smelt with it's abundant energy and send to port too:

 

[Kakato]

When you have your own ocean why give BC the benefit?

MB has lots of this to smelt with it's abundant energy and send to port too:

That what they call the nickle belt? I only flew through Churchill and Thompson on my way to Nunavut so I never got much time to cruise the town.When I did get weathered in it was too ugly to even leave the airport but I hear they have a nice museum.
I spent a lot of time looking at this and waiting for calm air to "calm down". This is the only airport where I have landed and skidded sideways in a saab turboprop,you get used to it after awhile.

 

[petros]

That what they call the nickle belt?

Nope, it's not nickel. If you can figure out what it is and it's source you can have it. It's worth a tidy pile for what you see there.

 

[Kakato]

Nope, it's not nickel. If you can figure out what it is and it's source you can have it. It's worth a tidy pile for what you see there.

Uranium or platinum? I'm getting old and need glasses.I'm more familiar with gold,silver and coal.

 

[beaker]

So they should limit the time for presentations. All this costs us money. Written presentations are always accepted so if you have anything meaningful to add just send them a double registered letter. 200 NIMBYs and NOPEs all taking their allotted time in front of a microphone to parrot each other is not productive or cost effective.
After you have been to a few public hearings you would feel sorry for the people that are forced to sit and listen to all the presentations no matter which side you are on.

In my experience the great time waster is the proponent. The environmental impact analysis they have done is blatantly inadequate and the suits spend hours justifying the work they did which was inadequate because the working orders that they started out with were inadequate. And the sad thing is that unless both proponents and experts are total morons, they realize it from the start.

Some kind of game they like to play with our money, our environment, and their bank accounts. Informal hearings where people who want to make a presentation probably take 1/4 the time and have more value for understanding the social environment. Formal interventions critiquing proponents material, presenting alternative evidence, cross examining the suits, would take very little time if it weren't for proponents games.

That's already in the plan Stan.

Show us where it is in the plan stan, or are you just blowing it out as usual.

Shipping bitumen through arctic waters isn't going to float either.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nope, it's not nickel. If you can figure out what it is and it's source you can have it. It's worth a tidy pile for what you see there.

Platinum. Molybdenite. IOCG.