B.C. and Alberta in dirty fight over oil profit

Mowich

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I think Christy is just trying to save her job.

I think you are absolutely right, not that it will matter..............she's toast. If she really cared about our environment, why isn't she asking for a billion dollar surety from Enbridge to be placed in escrow for when a spill happens.
 

Ron in Regina

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Christy is definitely right in one regard (albeit maybe tied in with ulterior motives). Looks to me like B.C. is vulnerable to more risks than any other jurisdiction in Canada. If Harper is so gung ho behind the venture, it's for obvious reasons that include financial gain. He can fork over a few bucks or ship it out through Churchill. :smile:

I hear you, but Christy isn't try'n to squeeze Harper or the Federal Gov't or
even Enbridge (at this point). She's going after the tax's & royalties on one
of Alberta's natural resources from Alberta's pockets....period. Why would
that be? Why not go after the Federal Gov't or Enbridge (or both?) also, or
instead of, Alberta specificly?
 

taxslave

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I hear you, but Christy isn't try'n to squeeze Harper or the Federal Gov't or
even Enbridge (at this point). She's going after the tax's & royalties on one
of Alberta's natural resources from Alberta's pockets....period. Why would
that be? Why not go after the Federal Gov't or Enbridge (or both?) also, or
instead of, Alberta specificly?

Interesting question. Two possibilities come to mind:
1) The NIMBYs and NOPES that infest BC are not smart enough to figure out how the system works because they keep referring to it as Albert's oil, not Enbridge. SO she has to use the KISS method.
2) By making the deal with another provincial government instead of a private company Premier Clark is making it impossible or at least very difficult for future governments to put the screws to Enbridge for more loot.
 

beaker

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I hear you, but Christy isn't try'n to squeeze Harper or the Federal Gov't or
even Enbridge (at this point). She's going after the tax's & royalties on one
of Alberta's natural resources from Alberta's pockets....period. Why would
that be? Why not go after the Federal Gov't or Enbridge (or both?) also, or
instead of, Alberta specificly?

I think JLM is probably right. This way Clarke gets to look like she is being some kinda negotiator, hard nosed and all that. She can go on requesting an ungivable renegotiation without angering the tarsands goose. No doubt she can make that last until after the election at which point we will with great pride in our government accept some guarantees of financial assistance in case of a leak.

None of which addresses the problem of having a spill in the first place.
 

JLM

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I think JLM is probably right. This way Clarke gets to look like she is being some kinda negotiator, hard nosed and all that. She can go on requesting an ungivable renegotiation without angering the tarsands goose. No doubt she can make that last until after the election at which point we will with great pride in our government accept some guarantees of financial assistance in case of a leak.

None of which addresses the problem of having a spill in the first place.

Well, she is smart in one regard, she has Dixie Cup's mouth absolutely "handcuffed". :lol:
 

beaker

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I think it is no more an indication of her absolute intelligence than it is of his. :)


Does he think that she must automatically take the opposite position? Aren't the arguments for his opposition still valid? strange that we aren't hearing more from his side. In this story from the CBC,

B.C. and Alberta take pipeline fight to premiers' conference | Sympatico.ca News

Christy is still at it. And she is saying that the money doesn't have to just come from the people of Alberta, now it is "royalties, taxes and company revenue, " So maybe she has been trying to pressure Redfords government into helping with the discussions with Enbridge. "Speaking from the Council of the Federation meeting Wednesday morning, Clark pressed her position that B.C. needs to receive a high level of compensation for risks associated with the pipeline, or she will block the $5.5-billion project."

That would probably make Albertas government nervous enough to let Enbridge know that their recent safety measure announcements, (thicker pipe along some stretches) aren't enough. Who knows, maybe Alberta will see the risk it is taking on with the tar sands and pipelines and they may also request a reasonable financial return with respect to that risk.

None of which lessens the fact that there will be spills, that the pollution and global warming effects of the bitumen "harvest", refining, transportation, and use will occur, and those damages will last longer than the oil.
 
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JLM

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How much should AB and SK ding BC for nat gas lines through our provinces?

Don't piss of Christy, her life is difficult these days. (and it's got very little to do with pipelines) :lol:

If she gets any pipe offered to her she should take it!

Sounds like Christy is being a brat this morning!
 

Kreskin

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What's in it for BC? Who's paying for a major coastal spill and a couple decades of disaster if something goes wrong?
 

beaker

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What's in it for BC? Who's paying for a major coastal spill and a couple decades of disaster if something goes wrong?

That is the problem, and can we clean something like that? My impression is that bitumen isn't even as easy to clean up as some of the cleaner fuels like gas. If it takes decades to remove the worst of the damage it will take longer for impacted species to recover.
 

JLM

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What's in it for BC? Who's paying for a major coastal spill and a couple decades of disaster if something goes wrong?

There is a simple way to pretty well ensure nothing goes wrong, the head honcho gets fired and fined $1 million! :lol:
 

petros

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What's in it for BC? Who's paying for a major coastal spill and a couple decades of disaster if something goes wrong?
What spill? Was there a spill? Would you prefer a BC born and raised LNG leak? You can walk up to an oil spill and dip your big toe in and live a long and happy life but you aren't getting within 1km of a LNG leak without dropping dead.
 

Kreskin

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What spill? Was there a spill? Would you prefer a BC born and raised LNG leak? You can walk up to an oil spill and dip your big toe in and live a long and happy life but you aren't getting within 1km of a LNG leak without dropping dead.
Is that the pitch?
 

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Canadian Business appears to be another of these radical right media that can't control the melodramatic hyperbole. If a National Energy Strategy can be derailed because one party, likely to lose the next election, is making noises about a difference in opinion about revenue shares from a proposed mega-project, the strategy is pretty fragile already. Very few details of this strategy have made it my way yet, if you have some please post them. I kind of expect that it is a one size fits all fossil fuel strategy at this point and not likely to be a net benefit for us anyway.
 

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First of all I am behind Alberta on this one. We should not get royalties for
accepting oil from that Province. Besides this is not a fight over profits it is
about royalties big difference. It would set a terrible precedent to allow it to
happen.
If Christie Clarke wants benefits from the oil shipped through BC she should
impose taxes upon them, which can be done. This is the last desperate stand
by a government of lies and deceit and it won't help people a bloody bit.
We in Canada not just BC would benefit from resource strategy. It could apply
to oil and gas, metals and a host of other products. We could build refineries and
storage facilities that would see things like oil going east/west and we could t hen
control our own energy supply and stop importing.
Christie is short sighted and desperate and above all self serving as hell. She
needs to go and after the election she will.
Remember this is not about profit, its about trying to play the business and the
environment cards at the same time and it will backfire on her in the end.