What the "Have Not" Provinces Get
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No one is saying we carried you; no one over here is complaining. What about that don't you understand? The whining is coming from over there!
Yeah that Crow (Crow'snest pass) freight rate was nothing to be proud of but then who put up the money for the railroads to go west in the first place eh? How did you get your grain to the large population centers without those rails running east to your markets? This game of hate has no end if you insist of playing it in the same manner generation after generation.
I do remember for years listening to folks out there make the "Conservative" case and even conjure up a Preston Manning ~ now you got what you wanted and whoopsy, it's not going according to plan so it's gotta still be Ontario/Quebec's fault.
Where does this have a friendly ending in your eyes? Separation only?
Yeah that Crow (Crow'snest pass) freight rate was nothing to be proud of but then who put up the money for the railroads to go west in the first place eh? How did you get your grain to the large population centers without those rails running east to your markets? This game of hate has no end if you insist of playing it in the same manner generation after generation.
I do remember for years listening to folks out there make the "Conservative" case and even conjure up a Preston Manning ~ now you got what you wanted and whoopsy, it's not going according to plan so it's gotta still be Ontario/Quebec's fault.
Where does this have a friendly ending in your eyes? Separation only?
When Quebec and to a lessor extent Ontario stand on their own feet. I believe in a hand UP, not a hand out. Fools like Mulcair are just stirring the pot with false claims of Dutch Disease. Fact is between taxes and fees and unions manufacturing priced itself out of the market. Much the same as sawmills in BC.
Are you aware that there are marketing board rules that protect dairy farmers in Ontario and Quebec that force farmers in BC to dump milk on the ground because they can not buy a quota?
The only reason the easterners wanted a railway to the West was for exploitation purposes. They were afraid the west would join the US and wanted to stake a firm claim on the goodies.
Not much grain grain in the west. That would be the middle east.
Everything you are whining about, captain, was from the world oil situation. It had nothing to do with the NEP which was a necessary and effective way of dealing with that situation. That the pricing changed and hurt Alberta (and Canada, btw) is not a fault of the NEP. Further, all the figures bandied about by the Western "we want in" crowd, the Mannings et al, are fraudulent. The changing situation meant that the effects of the NEP were long gone before it was cancelled.
And those rigs were idle down South: land sales are irrelevant, particularly those of a couple of years earlier BEFORE oil prices collapsed.
I am not responding to your sneers about "entitlements." I have to put that down to selfishness and self regard.
Your posts are massive piles of coprolite.
The same victimization mantras apply to the postings about the Crows' Nest Pass freight agreement. They are almost funny coming from those who are most vocal in their derogatory comments about Quebec.
The Crows' rates were an agreement that, rates for freight going East would be reduced in return for financing the line that opened up the Kootenays. It also reduced rates for settlers going West and was the reason some of you complainers are out there.
Long before the Agreement was rescinded it had ceased to be a revenue producer for the Railway. It had no deleterious effect on the West at any time. Just another in the litany of the immature.
Call a psychiatrist.
And those rigs were idle down South: land sales are irrelevant, particularly those of a couple of years earlier BEFORE oil prices collapsed.
I am not responding to your sneers about "entitlements." I have to put that down to selfishness and self regard.
Your posts are massive piles of coprolite.
The same victimization mantras apply to the postings about the Crows' Nest Pass freight agreement. They are almost funny coming from those who are most vocal in their derogatory comments about Quebec.
The Crows' rates were an agreement that, rates for freight going East would be reduced in return for financing the line that opened up the Kootenays. It also reduced rates for settlers going West and was the reason some of you complainers are out there.
Long before the Agreement was rescinded it had ceased to be a revenue producer for the Railway. It had no deleterious effect on the West at any time. Just another in the litany of the immature.
I know paranoia is incurable, but, with thr right medications it can be controlled and the sufferer lead something akin to a normal life.
Call a psychiatrist.
I understand your point of us (Ontario and Quebec) standing on our own feet but WHY was that not OUR cry when we saw our tax dollars or any capital investment moving wetward for years? Surely you are not saying individual working stiffs in either of these two provinces approached the polls with a "let's rape the west" ethic. I cannot remember anyone of my peers ever hypothesizing "let's vote along party lines that will see us benefit while the west continues to get shafted". However; now it's become painfully obvious that this type of thinking patterns your very soul when thinking of anything east of Winnipeg.
You keep on with this Easterner crap with the railroads to bolster your surmisal we're all a bunch of pillagers who factored into our voting consciencenous every time we went to the voting boothes "oooh I'm voting for the party that will hose the west the most". Surely you must realize how absolutely rediculous that is? We may be guilty of ignorance but nothing more.
Your claim of easterners being afraid of you joining the U.S. is ludicrous in the extreme. Here we have somone proposing our thoughts were: "let's screw the west every which way from sunday to keep them Canadian but at the same time we'll throw bags of money at Quebec to keep them Canadian". How does that even begin to make any sense to you?
You're also ignoring the concept of elections and voting being national in make-up. Can you say with any real certainty how many of YOU westerners voted on what lines? Had you all fealt the way YOU in particular are portraying your population out there; is there not even the remotest possibility things would have been different? Where did old Preston go to anyway? AND where is Stockwell sitting right now? Harper has a majority; why is he not demanding all things East - West about equaliztion or anything you view as unfair to you be instantly re-negotiaited to right all these supposed wrongs?
I just don't get your one-sided arguments as having the traction you giving them.
TenPenny- I'm interested in hearing what route stuff is barged into Idaho from the Pacific Ocean. Who does the portaging up the Snake?
Thanks, Petros but Lewiston would be the absolute limit- maybe 5 miles into Idaho. :lol:
:wav:WOOOHOOO.
I'm takin my twenty bucks worth, buy some beer (Laker - it's cheaper), drink it, then go out behind the shed and piss it all away.
Typical Ontarian eh.
:thebirdman:
Keep them dimes and quarters rollin in, all youse oily guys.
I'm takin my twenty bucks worth, buy some beer (Laker - it's cheaper), drink it, then go out behind the shed and piss it all away.
Typical Ontarian eh.
:thebirdman:
Keep them dimes and quarters rollin in, all youse oily guys.
Right on! If ever there was a case for any province to claim they've been suckered it's not the western ones but Newfoundland. They've been treated like the red-headed-step-child for decades.
Comparing how they handle becoming wealthy with all of their coastal oil will be interesting to see if they resort to the whining and snivelling representative of some.
I don't see the issues that some have with Trudeau. The country is one of the finest in the world right now. Does he get credit for that? Canada's Constitution is progressive, inclusive and a roadmap that most of the planet can only dream of having; a document where a vast multicultural nation of people live side by side and peacefully under. I think we can thank our lucky stars that someone with his foresight and passion stepped up to the plate for the fight. Now we're living in the good old days because of it.
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Maybe Canada needs to tell Quebec to get their heads out of their ass and start giving back and pulling their weight - or get the fu.ck out.
LET' DO IT NOW !!!
Maybe Canada needs to tell Quebec to get their heads out of their ass and start giving back and pulling their weight - or get the fu.ck out.
LET' DO IT NOW !!!
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