Tories release first attack ad against Mulcair

captain morgan

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Myself I believe they all have vested interests. And they all lie to some extent- Problem is in determining what they are lying about.

The interesting component here is that the foreign based interests aren't actually opposed to consumption of hydrocarbons; they are upset about the consumption of H-Cs from one specific region.

The usual suspects here live in a fool's paradise

"Canadians and all concerned world citizens"
That stands out Beaker.

I'm still laughing my ass off about that. I'm wondering if beaker is a trekkie and possibly poised to quote legislation dictated by 'concerned galactic citizens'


Would you defend that freedom in a military context or just with your beak?


He/she would do so with an army of concerned global citizens that would take militaristic actions in a manner that would add net resources to the planet
 

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The interesting component here is that the foreign based interests aren't actually opposed to consumption of hydrocarbons; they are upset about the consumption of H-Cs from one specific region.

The usual suspects here live in a fool's paradise

I'm still laughing my ass off about that. I'm wondering if beaker is a trekkie and possibly poised to quote legislation dictated by 'concerned galactic citizens'

He/she would do so with an army of concerned global citizens that would take militaristic actions in a manner that would add net resources to the planet


When all else fails go fishing and bring in the red herrings by the boatload. Ahh that's too bad, we are over using that resource too.
 

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When all else fails go fishing and bring in the red herrings by the boatload. Ahh that's too bad, we are over using that resource too.

I'm not fond of herring, and it is my absolute right as a world citizen that more pickerel be made available on an increasing net resource basis!

I demand satisfaction here!!... Dammit, where's a panel discussion when you need one?
 

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Flossy doesn't like it when he is reminded that polls taken this far in advance are meaningless... It upsets him terribly
He actually hates it more when I point out he only thinks polls that support his ideology are good.

Polls that don't, are because the people polled don't know what's good for them. But he does, so it's all good to dismiss those polls.
 
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I'm not fond of herring, and it is my absolute right as a world citizen that more pickerel be made available on an increasing net resource basis!

I demand satisfaction here!!... Dammit, where's a panel discussion when you need one?

The panel discusion was here, but you seem to have backed out.
 

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Regardless the public is not very happy with Harper- will it carry forwards to the next election- Yes-

The part that the NDP has to prove is that they are not tax and spend- and have a platform.

We will see the repercussions of bad Harper polices play out from till the next election. Oct 2015 I believe-

The blue sweater and the arm chair won't cut it next time.

Del Mastro donors offer to trade details on alleged reimbursement scheme for immunity | News | National Post

Del Mastro donors offer to trade details on alleged reimbursement scheme for immunity

OTTAWA — Donors who say they were reimbursed for contributions they made to Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro’s 2008 election campaign have offered to speak to Elections Canada if given immunity from prosecution.

A lawyer representing some of the donors wrote to the elections watchdog to say they will provide details of a scheme that allegedly used payments from a Mississauga, Ont., electrical company owned by Del Mastro’s cousin to reimburse donors.

The lawyer specified these donors will co-operate if they are assured they would not face prosecution for accepting reimbursement and claiming the donations as deductions on their tax returns.

It is illegal to conceal the source of political contributions under the Elections Act.

David Del Mastro, owner of Deltro Electric Ltd., has denied offering any reimbursements and says he only asked employees and friends to give voluntarily.

Citing its standard policy of not commenting on investigations or complaints, Elections Canada would not say whether it would accept the offer or even confirm it had been received. The agency will not say if it is looking into these allegations.

The lawyer asked to remain anonymous, for now, to protect the identity of the donors.
 

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While you elect to accept the mainstream medias pronouncement that there was a deliberate and wrongful inclusion of one person in this list of 4500 people who are willing to take the time to help us make a good decision on the pipeline project, rather than realize that this is a childish attempt to grasp at a really thin straw in an effort to discredit every other person on the list, I will expect that the opposition to the project will be doing everything they can to see that all aspects of the ecological/economical impacts will be brought forward.



I'm not sure if this is funny or just twisted, So in your opinion an ideal has no basis in relity? Has nobody else offered you a definition, or suggested where you might find a definition of sustainable/responsible development? or have you just rejected them because you have elected to discount their basis in reality?

Well try this and feel free to let me know how it is unreal in your eyes. Sustainable development is that which allows for an equilibrium or net increase in the value of the planets resources. Or this, Sustainable development allows for intergenerational equity, across the species list.




I am just curious, how much factual research/evidence do you think can be provided, say on a topic as big as the Tar sands oil pipelines, in the five minutes the Federal/Provincial Tories have allotted for individual presentation to the Hearing Panel? How many questions can be asked in cross-examination when the proponents "experts can talk about nothing for five minutes in their sleep? Our rights are being taken from us by the Conservatives. The country is being made poorer because the greedy want to make themselves richer.





Ok, I read what you have presented, and once was enough. Your considerations of these matters strike me as being very shallow and possibly self-serving.






Thanks for the advice Cliffy, I have to admit I was starting to think along those lines.
You have about as much grip on reality as the rest of the freeloading anti everythings on here.
Do you have a job that is not taxpayer funded?

You seem to have suggested, Captain, that a nation can develop resources withour considering the impact on other nations. On that, I think you are living in another century. There are all kinds of international treaties and laws now to reign in international anarchy.

The Law of the Sea is one such.

That would be the one about no piracy no one in Somalia has heard of right?

:) I expect that an army sargeant going over my current military value would probably say that my beak was the best part of me. And that shouldn't be sold short. Hopefully before we get to a military context we will have the opportunity to talk. But help me with this, why is a respect for human free speach, or an understanding of the need for sustainable development an attack on freedom?

DO tell why are you against free speech for anyone that disagrees with your unrealistic opinion? The majority of people in this country want and are entitled to a lifestyle at least equal to if not better than their parents. That means that good paying jobs are required. Resource industries provide many such jobs. If you have a problem with the use of non renewable resources speak to the users of those resources, not those that are simply supplying a product that is in demand.
 

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You have about as much grip on reality as the rest of the freeloading anti everythings on here.
Do you have a job that is not taxpayer funded?

You're the one who needs to get a grip.

Op-Ed: Corporate Welfare outpaces Social Welfare in Canada

Although accurate statistics are difficult to find, what stands out from any accounting of government spending over the last decade is that expenditures on corporate welfare are almost twice that of expenditures on social welfare.

Corporate welfare costs approximately 15.6 billion a year while social welfare costs around 8 billion a year.

Corporate welfare is much greater than social welfare, we're busy financing billionaire lifestyles for the very few.

more fun stuff about corporate welfare in Canada.

http://pushedleft.blogspot.ca/2011/02/canadas-corporate-welfare-state-and_12.html
 
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You're the one who needs to get a grip.

Op-Ed: Corporate Welfare outpaces Social Welfare in Canada



Corporate welfare is much greater than social welfare, we're busy financing billionaire lifestyles for the very few.

more fun stuff about corporate welfare in Canada.

Pushed to the Left and Loving It: Canada's Corporate Welfare State and Harper's Revolving Door of Lobbyists

Corporate welfare Bums!

Where's David Lewis when you need him?

The last NDP leader worthy of respect..............
 

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You're the one who needs to get a grip.

Op-Ed: Corporate Welfare outpaces Social Welfare in Canada



Corporate welfare is much greater than social welfare, we're busy financing billionaire lifestyles for the very few.

more fun stuff about corporate welfare in Canada.

Pushed to the Left and Loving It: Canada's Corporate Welfare State and Harper's Revolving Door of Lobbyists


Which creates more jobs, the private sector or gov't welfare recipients? Got any numbers?
 

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You have about as much grip on reality as the rest of the freeloading anti everythings on here.
Do you have a job that is not taxpayer funded?

That is kind of strange, do you always jump to such incorrect assumptions? What do you base such pre-judgement on? Apparently not on checking in with the reality in the profile of the person you prefer to slander as being without a grip on reality. It appears from the last few posts, (thank you very much) that jobs in the oil patch, for example are the ones getting the government/taxpayer funding.

DO tell why are you against free speech for anyone that disagrees with your unrealistic opinion? The majority of people in this country want and are entitled to a lifestyle at least equal to if not better than their parents. That means that good paying jobs are required. Resource industries provide many such jobs. If you have a problem with the use of non renewable resources speak to the users of those resources, not those that are simply supplying a product that is in demand.


Why would I tell you why I am against free speech when I have just repeatedly said that I am in favour of same. Where is this reality you seem to be in favour of?

Why are the majority of people in this country entitled to a lifestyle equal to or better than that of their parents?

I thought entitlement was a dirty word amongst Conservatives. Perhaps it is only other peoples entitlements?

I have no problem with people working in the patch. In fact I think it is absolutely necessary for the future well being of the country. I might have a different view of when and how we should be using, as opposed to abusing, natural resources like our fossil fuels, but I have no doubt that they will be used and that they will necessarily be used. And rather than subsidize and in other ways make it easy for us to blow it out our ears we neeed to have a long look at when it is going to be most needed here at home, how it can be done with the least environmental impact, and thereby how it can enrich Canada optimally.

Which creates more jobs, the private sector or gov't welfare recipients? Got any numbers?

It appears from the numbers that the private sector is the largest segment of the government welfare recipients.
 

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DO tell why are you against free speech for anyone that disagrees with your unrealistic opinion? The majority of people in this country want and are entitled to a lifestyle at least equal to if not better than their parents. That means that good paying jobs are required. Resource industries provide many such jobs. If you have a problem with the use of non renewable resources speak to the users of those resources, not those that are simply supplying a product that is in demand.

Well put.

In terms of the use of resources, the 'entitled' only pay lip service to the words they espouse... Use of resources MUST be curtailed, but just not by them.

That is kind of strange, do you always jump to such incorrect assumptions? What do you base such pre-judgement on? Apparently not on checking in with the reality in the profile of the person you prefer to slander as being without a grip on reality. It appears from the last few posts, (thank you very much) that jobs in the oil patch, for example are the ones getting the government/taxpayer funding.

You've been sermonizing here going on 2 days now, and as per the eco-MO, anyone that disagrees with your environmental philosophy is stifled.


Why are the majority of people in this country entitled to a lifestyle equal to or better than that of their parents?

Weren't you b*tching about 'intergenerational equality' just a while ago?

I thought entitlement was a dirty word amongst Conservatives. Perhaps it is only other peoples entitlements?

It is mostly due to the grandstanding and self serving positions of guys like Mulcair that express their entitlements in a manner that punishes one group for the exclusive benefit of another.

I have no problem with people working in the patch. In fact I think it is absolutely necessary for the future well being of the country. I might have a different view of when and how we should be using, as opposed to abusing, natural resources like our fossil fuels, but I have no doubt that they will be used and that they will necessarily be used. And rather than subsidize and in other ways make it easy for us to blow it out our ears we neeed to have a long look at when it is going to be most needed here at home, how it can be done with the least environmental impact, and thereby how it can enrich Canada optimally.

Then stop burning gas in your car, nat gas in your furnace and eliminate the use of plastics from your lifestyle, the only thing stopping you and your ilk is a sincere interest and the will power to do so.

It appears from the numbers that the private sector is the largest segment of the government welfare recipients.

Private sector tax bennies are based on their ability to generate a positive cash flows and revenues. Welfare is a straight hand out of cash dependent on nothing other than the need
 

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In terms of the use of resources, the 'entitled' only pay lip service to the words they espouse... Use of resources MUST be curtailed, but just not by them.

Do you always make up stuff to suit what you want to know? I mean, what does that even mean?

You've been sermonizing here going on 2 days now, and as per the eco-MO, anyone that disagrees with your environmental philosophy is stifled.

I haven't stifled anyone. On the contrary I have asked you, as above, to explain yourself. It appears that your stifling rises from your inability to do so.

Weren't you b*tching about 'intergenerational equality' just a while ago?

I don't think I was b*tching about anything. I was explaining how, given our current situation, we have to consider our kids and grandkids future prospects. The fact that we and our parents have been amongst the luckiest people ever to walk on the face of the planet doesn't mean that we can continue to waste resources that are very valuable. Intergenerational equity doesn't start now, or at any given point in time. It is more an expression of the ratio of the planets inhabitants to value. The last couple of generations have been abusive of that ratio.

It is mostly due to the grandstanding and self serving positions of guys like Mulcair that express their entitlements in a manner that punishes one group for the exclusive benefit of another.

Can you give an example of this exclusive punishment?

Then stop burning gas in your car, nat gas in your furnace and eliminate the use of plastics from your lifestyle, the only thing stopping you and your ilk is a sincere interest and the will power to do so.

So what is stoppng your ilk? This is a recurring argument conservation minded people run into. Its the same argument as floated during the Vietnam war protests from the American right. "Love It or Leave It!" For these people there can be no middle ground because that would threaten their world view, and that isn't a good thing. It also puts all the onus on people who are already trying to rationalize our societies bad habits, and removes any need for Conservatives to see beyond their entitlements. I designed my house to be solar assisted thirty-four years ago. I drive only when I need to, and I definitely keep as much plastic out of my life as possible. It might be possible to go completely without using the fossil fuels right now but it would probably mean leaving society completely, and that isn't what I need to do right now.

As I mentioned earlier, and you skimmed over, It isn't the use of our resources tha bothers me. It is the abuse.

Private sector tax bennies are based on their ability to generate a positive cash flows and revenues. Welfare is a straight hand out of cash dependent on nothing other than the need

I think you should read some more business editorials, check into the lobbying efforts and even applications for business grants and low interest loans. You will find repeated references to the needs, to be able to compete, to access markets, to overcome rising costs, etc. This is a big industry in itself, getting the subsidies that "private industry "needs" to survive in these tough financial times.
 

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Why is it that leftards always equate tax credits with giving money away? It is the equivalent of saying "I only worked 9 hours yesterday instead of 10 so I gave an hour of pay away."
 

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Do you always make up stuff to suit what you want to know? I mean, what does that even mean?

Nope... Just referencing your contributions and the implied double standard(s) that are rife throughout

I haven't stifled anyone. On the contrary I have asked you, as above, to explain yourself. It appears that your stifling rises from your inability to do so.

I have explained my position and the typical and expected response are these flaky, uber-high level idealistic statements that you can't even define, let alone articulate.

Remember? Your rights as a 'world citizen' - but not recognizing the 'rights' of those that have another perspective? How about the 'intergenerational equality' based on your static view of the world today with the impossible task of leaving a net increase in resources (which is a physical impossibility I might add)

I don't think I was b*tching about anything. I was explaining how, given our current situation, we have to consider our kids and grandkids future prospects. The fact that we and our parents have been amongst the luckiest people ever to walk on the face of the planet doesn't mean that we can continue to waste resources that are very valuable. Intergenerational equity doesn't start now, or at any given point in time. It is more an expression of the ratio of the planets inhabitants to value. The last couple of generations have been abusive of that ratio.

Yeah, sure... More high level talk without any regard for the demands of the present. Lemme guess, you'll be front and center demanding free healthcare, 'food security', infrastructure, schools and feeding the hungry of the world (as rights as world citizens of course) and although the goals are noble, you have no clue as to the resources that need to be expended (on a net loss basis) to achieve the goals.

You live in a fantasy land beaker

Can you give an example of this exclusive punishment?

Carbon tax and emissions taxes that target ONLY the producer of the energy and does not recognize that it is the end user that creates the demand AND the vast majority of the evil emissions.

So what is stoppng your ilk? This is a recurring argument conservation minded people run into. Its the same argument as floated during the Vietnam war protests from the American right. "Love It or Leave It!" For these people there can be no middle ground because that would threaten their world view, and that isn't a good thing. It aalso puts all the onus on people who are already trying to rationalize our societies bad habits, and removes any need for them to see beyond their entitlements. I designed my house to be solar assisted thirty-four years ago. I drive only when I need to, and I definitely keep as much plastic out of my life as possible. It might be possible to go completely without using the fossil fuels right now but it would probably mean leaving society completely, and that isn't what I need to do right now.

You still don't get it, do you?

I'm not the one that is screaming that the sky is falling.

As I mentioned earlier, and you skimmed over, It isn't the use of our resources tha bothers me. It is the abuse.

Great, define abuse

I think you should read some more business editorials, check into the lobbying efforts and even applications for business grants and low interest loans. You will find repeated references to the need, to be able to compete, to access markets, to overcome rising costs, etc. This is a big industry in itself, getting the subsidies that "private industry "needs" to survive in these tough financial times.

So what?

Those programs are designed to increase productivity which (in theory) will lead to more people working and more $$ being contributed into the tax base.... Compare that to the actual welfare system.

Note: I have no issue with the welfare system, but if you want to compare welfare with 'corporate welfare', then do the math and see which one is more beneficial to the individuals and to society at large.

Why is it that leftards always equate tax credits with giving money away? It is the equivalent of saying "I only worked 9 hours yesterday instead of 10 so I gave an hour of pay away."


Easy, 'cause they don't have a friggin clue about how the world works.

They hear a term like tax write-off and believe that the gvt puts an envelope of cash into the mail