National Post: NDP making huge gains as Canada tilts leftward

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Worded like they way you say the gap between poor and rich is widening then claim the middle is sliding. Pick your gap out of the two and stick to it buddy.

Rich making more than middle and poor increases the fiscal gap between the rich and both.

This confuses you?
 

Cliffy

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So there is two gaps now instead of just one?
With the economic collapse of 08, the middle class slipped and shrank the gap with the poor. As the old saying goes, "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" and the ruling class laugh all the way to the bank while the peasants fight over who is getting screwed the most. Seems to be working here.
 

petros

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Our poor are rich compared to 90% of the rest of the world's poor.
Yup, being born in North America is like winning the lotto. Nobody in Nor Am is truly in the position of being able to bitch that they are lacking anything that life has to offer.
 

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Yup, being born in North America is like winning the lotto. Nobody in Nor Am is truly in the position of being able to bitch that they are lacking anything that life has to offer.

If living in North America is winning the lotto, then living in the Scandinavian territories is like becoming a deity.
 

Cliffy

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Yup, being born in North America is like winning the lotto. Nobody in Nor Am is truly in the position of being able to bitch that they are lacking anything that life has to offer.
But some people choose to be poor and not be trapped in the rat race or the perpetual cycle of mindless consumerism. Some actually prefer the freedom of living on the street to being slaves to the banks.
 

Cliffy

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Is that poor?....
Poor if your only criteria is monetary values, which seems to be the case with some on here. I have been living so far below the poverty line (according to Stats Canada) for so long I never noticed there was a recession going on. Being rich, in my view, is a state of mind. My life has been exceedingly rich living in monetary poverty.
 

lone wolf

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Poor if your only criteria is monetary values, which seems to be the case with some on here. I have been living so far below the poverty line (according to Stats Canada) for so long I never noticed there was a recession going on. Being rich, in my view, is a state of mind. My life has been exceedingly rich living in monetary poverty.
I hear ya! Disability isn't a lot better than Welfare so I have a bit of month left at the end of the money. I have food and water to keep me, fair to middling health and my kids, grandkids and dog think I'm pretty cool. That's rich beyond what money can ever buy.
 

petros

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If living in North America is winning the lotto, then living in the Scandinavian territories is like becoming a deity.
Jealous? That's what hydrocarbon resources do for nations. We'll be styling by 2025 when the sands are cranking out 5 million more bbl per day.
 

CDNBear

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That leaves you out as you are just an ignorant twit, I was writing screeds about this issue before yoy=u were out of short pants. The United Nations in the case of Davidson & ? - a reference about Quebec's language laws, accepted my position on Quebec. So just don't make yourself look a bigger fool than you are known to be.
You mean as foolish as implying the Helsinki Accords framed self determination?

It is the Helsinki Agreements also known as the Helsinki Accords.
Actually, it's Act, Accords or Declaration. Not agreement.

The relevany part is known as the Final Act.
Uh huh, you don't say. That's where Article VIII defers the definition of self determination to international law. Not frame it as you implied.

And I will happily have a reasoned discussion about it with anyone who knows or wants to know anything about self determination.
Obviously you can't.

I had discussions about that question with people like Frank Scott anf Eugene Forsey.
Obviously about the weather, since you obviously don't know anything about the fundamental human right of self determination or where it derives the power of ergas omnes.

But please do go on, you're a hoot to watch spin and squirm.

On numbers alone, you are wrong.
Only if your skewed opinion is the basis of the math.

It depends on value. A computer, for instance, in this day and age is a very important tool. A connection to the internet, some would argue is a vital component as well.
As Petros so kindly pointed out, a library is a wonderful thing. I remember when the Toronto Occupiers shed tears when theirs was torn down.

Besides that, Employment centers also have computer and internet access.

Look - the point is that we don't want to force the middle class into poverty. If they get to the point where they can't afford their own computer (or an iphone), then they wouldn't have been able to afford rent in the first place.
Wrong, I can't afford an iPhone, but I can afford my mortgage, and utilities.

Priorities.

In which case, the additional revenue from a relatively small purchase does not help at all in paying off the debt.
Ya, our old TV died last week. We just moved the old 38" from the master bedroom to the livingroom. A new TV to replace the 48" one that died, would cost us about $800, I'll wait until I find one on sale.

It's a relatively small purchase, but my priorities aren't messed up.

No one seriously believes that having an iphone is living in luxury, and if you do, you're out of touch.
Of course no one believes having an iPhone is living in luxury, not one single person in this thread has said anything like that. But most sensible people believe an iPhone is a luxury.

Please try and stay on point.

The point is that you can afford an iphone, but not rent.

No more, no less.

Don't get distracted by the flashiness of the product.

I know you guys aren't that dumb.
It's a luxury and a debt. If you can't afford rent, you shouldn't own an iPhone.

BTW Fuzzy; Do you know what an iPhone is made of?
 

JLM

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Poor if your only criteria is monetary values, which seems to be the case with some on here. I have been living so far below the poverty line (according to Stats Canada) for so long I never noticed there was a recession going on. Being rich, in my view, is a state of mind. My life has been exceedingly rich living in monetary poverty.

You got it figured out Cliffy, just got back from Safeway- where 3/4 of the shelves are loaded up with absolute garbage, yet everyone is lined up at them, but I guess this didn't include the 80% of the population that is screaming "poverty". All kinds of "convenience" junk at inflated prices because nobody has the ability, time or inclination to prepare healthy meals themselves from scratch anymore.