Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
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re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Perfect, that's great.... as opposed to the milliins of unemployed just south of the border, living under s socialist government that feels tax znd spend will save the world.
No, you live in Canada under a Conseevative government that is pro business ..
Perfect, that's great.... as opposed to the milliins of unemployed just south of the border, living under s socialist government that feels tax znd spend will save the world.
No, you live in Canada under a Conseevative government that is pro business ..
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Canada News: Stimulus package worth $35B - thestar.com
Canada News: Stimulus package worth $35B - thestar.com
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
They are just collecting video and his own speeches now to use against him in the next election run. Shouldn't be to hard to do.
They are just collecting video and his own speeches now to use against him in the next election run. Shouldn't be to hard to do.
Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands
I'm not sure if you're having me on or just that ignorant, but here's a few facts on the oil sands compared to some past projects you've listed.
The Great Pyramid of Cheops covers about 14 acres and weighs about 6 million tons, pretty big.
The oil sands area already being mined covers more than 600 square kilometres and more than 700,000 tons of material are moved each day. That would be a pit mine the equivalent of the city of Edmonton up to 80 metres deep, and in less than 10 days you'd have enough material to build another great pyramid.
Are we interested in being spectators to abusive politics or do we actually give a damn about our future?
As Canadians we can continue to be entertained and misled by the Conservative Party, but the bill for their actions is eventually going to be paid for by us not them as it's always been with governments that abuse the system in this country. And the facts would seem to indicate when the bill comes due it's going to be of historical proportions.
I'm not sure if you're having me on or just that ignorant, but here's a few facts on the oil sands compared to some past projects you've listed.
The Great Pyramid of Cheops covers about 14 acres and weighs about 6 million tons, pretty big.
The oil sands area already being mined covers more than 600 square kilometres and more than 700,000 tons of material are moved each day. That would be a pit mine the equivalent of the city of Edmonton up to 80 metres deep, and in less than 10 days you'd have enough material to build another great pyramid.
That doesn't include all the processing plants, support infrastructure, pipelines, refineries and everything else associated with the oil sands and we're really just getting started there.
The waste that's left contains toxic material including mercury, arsenic, lead, heavy metals and carcinogenic hydrocarbons. There's thousands of tons of it produced avery day. Fish in the Athabaska are already being affected.
There's already clusters of rare cancer in Fort Chipewyan.
Much of the water being used for the oil sands project comes from the Athabaska River, enough for two cities the size of Calgary.
so yes it is the largest engineering project in human history and is getting larger and will have an even greater impact in the future. what happens when the water flow from the Rockies declines as the glaciers melt away.
What happens in the future if climate change dries out the area where massive amounts of toxic waste are being deposited in the Athabaska region. It's no longer locked in a matrix of bitumen, in drought years it could dry out and blow all over the place.
There are many serious questions around the oil sands development that need to be addressed, congratulations to Mister Mulcair for having the courage to stand up and do so.
Are we interested in being spectators to abusive politics or do we actually give a damn about our future?
As Canadians we can continue to be entertained and misled by the Conservative Party, but the bill for their actions is eventually going to be paid for by us not them as it's always been with governments that abuse the system in this country. And the facts would seem to indicate when the bill comes due it's going to be of historical proportions.
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On the point of Alberta, they just admitted they missed 2010 targets.
Alberta admits it likely missed its greenhouse gas reduction targets
On the point of Alberta, they just admitted they missed 2010 targets.
Alberta admits it likely missed its greenhouse gas reduction targets
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
You mean with the most seats they've ever had and almost tied with the Conservatives in the latest polls?
http://www.globalnews.ca/federal+li...attle+for+top+spot+poll/6442640892/story.html
You mean with the most seats they've ever had and almost tied with the Conservatives in the latest polls?
http://www.globalnews.ca/federal+li...attle+for+top+spot+poll/6442640892/story.html
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Published On Tue Jan 27 2009 :roll:
Nice try though.. nacro the news now.. 2012, come out of your hole.. we now have a majority Conservative government..
Here is a news article a little closer to today's date.. May 16th, 2012
Economy shows surprising resilience
Canada's economy is showing surprising signs of resilience, but the outlook for sustained growth is still clouded by events outside our borders,
Remember that Chinese fella that stood in front of the tank, change the world..
Nothing is stopping you from doing the same... run up to the Oil Sands and protest.. put actions where you mouth is.. if the driver doesn't stop..it was nice knowing you..
Please quit telling me how bad the Oil Sands are, or drilling in the Gulf of Mexico or Drilling in a protected watershed area.. better yet, tell me you invented a new power source to run cars, homes and businesses on..
Or better yet.. get into politics and convince the people YOU have a better way of doing things..
1. a Hydrogen Hwy as they have in Norway, with Hydrogen fueling stations..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_highway
2. alternative energy, solar, wind, tidal power for St. Johns reversing falls..
http://erikvanerne.visibli.com/share/7lg6z4
...and then explain how all these new technologies are going to create 500,000 top paying jobs immediately and last for years..
Published On Tue Jan 27 2009 :roll:
Nice try though.. nacro the news now.. 2012, come out of your hole.. we now have a majority Conservative government..
Here is a news article a little closer to today's date.. May 16th, 2012
Economy shows surprising resilience
Canada's economy is showing surprising signs of resilience, but the outlook for sustained growth is still clouded by events outside our borders,
Remember that Chinese fella that stood in front of the tank, change the world..
Nothing is stopping you from doing the same... run up to the Oil Sands and protest.. put actions where you mouth is.. if the driver doesn't stop..it was nice knowing you..
Please quit telling me how bad the Oil Sands are, or drilling in the Gulf of Mexico or Drilling in a protected watershed area.. better yet, tell me you invented a new power source to run cars, homes and businesses on..
Or better yet.. get into politics and convince the people YOU have a better way of doing things..
1. a Hydrogen Hwy as they have in Norway, with Hydrogen fueling stations..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_highway
2. alternative energy, solar, wind, tidal power for St. Johns reversing falls..
http://erikvanerne.visibli.com/share/7lg6z4
...and then explain how all these new technologies are going to create 500,000 top paying jobs immediately and last for years..
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Ontario met theirs due to high electricity costs driving manufacturing out of the province. So GG will increase as more people are driving around looking for work - Mostly to anywheres west of Ontario or to NFLD.
Ontario met theirs due to high electricity costs driving manufacturing out of the province. So GG will increase as more people are driving around looking for work - Mostly to anywheres west of Ontario or to NFLD.
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
One thing I know sure about Mulcair...............he talks more than he listens! :lol:
One thing I know sure about Mulcair...............he talks more than he listens! :lol:
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Rex Murphy gets it right ....Again
Rex Murphy - Rex comments on Thomas Mulcair's hostility towards the western provinces - YouTube
And again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePF6l4Xj6lc&feature=relmfu
Rex Murphy gets it right ....Again
Rex Murphy - Rex comments on Thomas Mulcair's hostility towards the western provinces - YouTube
And again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePF6l4Xj6lc&feature=relmfu
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
I can only point out your errors, I can't make you understand how you made them.
Your ignorance was already established. The largest petroleum engineering project in human history, is going on in Saudi Arabia.
I can only point out your errors, I can't make you understand how you made them.
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
thanks to Mulcair -- quoi?
couldn't find a graphic, so had to make one.. lol
thanks to Mulcair -- quoi?
couldn't find a graphic, so had to make one.. lol
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Andrew Coyne: There is a method to Thomas Mulcair’s ‘Dutch Disease’ madness
Sigh. I see once again it falls to me to defend Tom Mulcair. The NDP leader is taking heavy fire from all sides for his invocation of the “Dutch disease” as an argument for taxing the oil sands.
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Thirty years ago, I think it might have worked. But today? It’s striking how little Mr. Mulcair’s message appears to have resonated to date; indeed, many Ontario-based commentators have taken the West’s side in the dispute. Is this a sign of region’s declining importance in Canadian politics? Or — still more intriguing — could it be that oil-consuming Ontario now sees its interests aligned with the oil-producing West?
Andrew Coyne: A method to Thomas Mulcair's 'Dutch Disease' madness | Full Comment | National Post
Thanks Andy...
Now,
What the #!%*? is the ‘Dutch disease’ exactly and does Canada have it?
What is “Dutch disease”?
The term was created by two economists in the ’80s to describe what happens to the economies of some countries when significant natural resources are found. The Netherlands’ discovery of natural gas in the 1960s led to massive de-industrialization. According to the model, a resource boom attracts foreign investment and draws the country’s workers, driving up wages for some. It also inflates the value of the currency. This makes it more difficult for the manufacturing sector to compete as it becomes more expensive to sell goods abroad. In some countries, the sudden discovery of oil or other natural resources has damaged other sectors of the economy, making the country more vulnerable to a bust.
Does Canada have it?
Having Dutch disease is not like being pregnant: It’s a theory, not a diagnosis. The major criticism of Mr. Mulcair’s assertion is that it is ruthlessly simplistic. Some countries have suffered as a result of natural resource discoveries. Others have not. Economists still argue whether Dutch disease is a verifiable phenomenon, much less a problem.
So why is the manufacturing sector in central Canada suffering?
Mr. Mulcair has claimed Canada lost a half-million manufacturing jobs in the last six years as a result of the petro-fueled dollar. Some economists have found this claim to be highly dubious: The state of the loonie can also be attributed to Canada’s strong economy relative to the rest of the world.
“There is certainly a tie between high oil prices and oil exports and the currencies. Nobody’s debating that there’s a link. As well, no one is debating that high currency prices have caused trouble for some exporters, both in Ontario and Quebec and in some of Canada,” said Mike Moffat, an assistant professor at the Richard Ivey School of Business in Toronto. However, “a lot of what’s being blamed on the high currency really has nothing to do with high currency.”
Manufacturing is just not as competitive in Canada as it is in parts of the world where labour is cheap and environmental regulations are lax. These jobs have been moving overseas for decades.
Many of the most recent job losses can also be attributed to local increases in productivity — that is, as factories employ better technology, they need fewer workers.
In addition, right-to-work legislation is pulling manufacturing into the southern U.S. states at the expense of the northern U.S., and Ontario alike.
“If this were a currency issue, Detroit would be booming right now. Detroit is not booming right now,” Mr. Moffat said. “What [Mr. Mulcair] is implying is greatly exaggerated.”
A study released by the Institute for Research on Public Policy this week vindicated this view: It found the impact of petro-based high currency to have less of an impact on manufacturers than feared. According to the study’s authors, Dutch disease had most hurt small, labour-intensive industries like textiles and apparel.
However, another study about to be published in Resource and Energy Economics contends that up to 39% of jobs lost in the manufacturing sector between 2002 and 2007 were the result of the exchange rate.
Andrew Leach, a professor with the University of Alberta who focuses on energy economics, noted bitumen from oil sands is also exported: “A high dollar makes export industries less valuable. So in the Alberta oil industry, we’d be really happy if we could export at a 60-cent dollar. All else being equal, that’s 40% more revenue.”
Is a resource-dependent economy a bad thing?
Processed materials and manufactured goods have long been associated with civilization and advancement. Some economic data, however, suggest Canada can have it both ways: A report on manufacturing released by Statistics Canada this week found manufacturing is on the rise, bolstered by growth in the oil and coal sectors.
But resource-extraction plays to the country’s strengths. Canada has a relatively small, well-educated and well-paid population. It may not make sense for a country of 33 million to compete as a major manufacturing base with China.
What Canada does have is lots of oil, fish, minerals and lumber. Further, the country has a financial sector in Toronto that can develop an expertise in financing the things Canada does well.
In March, Jim Prentice, the former federal industry minister and a vice chairman of CIBC, suggested the country re-focus itself accordingly. Ontario should not give up its manufacturing, in fact, it should thrive: “Where better to build the high-value components required than right here in Ontario?” he asked a Toronto crowd. “Who is better able to manufacture the steam generators, the turbines and the electronics than workers in this province?”
Over the next quarter century, he said, it is estimated that Alberta energy companies will purchase more than $55-billion worth of goods from Ontario — the latter province stands to gain more than any other outside Alberta by the resource boom.
'Dutch disease': Does Canada have it? | News | National Post
Ok then.
Oh, and will a Mod be so nice as to correct the typo in the thread title. Merci.
Andrew Coyne: There is a method to Thomas Mulcair’s ‘Dutch Disease’ madness
Sigh. I see once again it falls to me to defend Tom Mulcair. The NDP leader is taking heavy fire from all sides for his invocation of the “Dutch disease” as an argument for taxing the oil sands.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Thirty years ago, I think it might have worked. But today? It’s striking how little Mr. Mulcair’s message appears to have resonated to date; indeed, many Ontario-based commentators have taken the West’s side in the dispute. Is this a sign of region’s declining importance in Canadian politics? Or — still more intriguing — could it be that oil-consuming Ontario now sees its interests aligned with the oil-producing West?
Andrew Coyne: A method to Thomas Mulcair's 'Dutch Disease' madness | Full Comment | National Post
Thanks Andy...
Now,
What the #!%*? is the ‘Dutch disease’ exactly and does Canada have it?
What is “Dutch disease”?
The term was created by two economists in the ’80s to describe what happens to the economies of some countries when significant natural resources are found. The Netherlands’ discovery of natural gas in the 1960s led to massive de-industrialization. According to the model, a resource boom attracts foreign investment and draws the country’s workers, driving up wages for some. It also inflates the value of the currency. This makes it more difficult for the manufacturing sector to compete as it becomes more expensive to sell goods abroad. In some countries, the sudden discovery of oil or other natural resources has damaged other sectors of the economy, making the country more vulnerable to a bust.
Does Canada have it?
Having Dutch disease is not like being pregnant: It’s a theory, not a diagnosis. The major criticism of Mr. Mulcair’s assertion is that it is ruthlessly simplistic. Some countries have suffered as a result of natural resource discoveries. Others have not. Economists still argue whether Dutch disease is a verifiable phenomenon, much less a problem.
So why is the manufacturing sector in central Canada suffering?
Mr. Mulcair has claimed Canada lost a half-million manufacturing jobs in the last six years as a result of the petro-fueled dollar. Some economists have found this claim to be highly dubious: The state of the loonie can also be attributed to Canada’s strong economy relative to the rest of the world.
“There is certainly a tie between high oil prices and oil exports and the currencies. Nobody’s debating that there’s a link. As well, no one is debating that high currency prices have caused trouble for some exporters, both in Ontario and Quebec and in some of Canada,” said Mike Moffat, an assistant professor at the Richard Ivey School of Business in Toronto. However, “a lot of what’s being blamed on the high currency really has nothing to do with high currency.”
Manufacturing is just not as competitive in Canada as it is in parts of the world where labour is cheap and environmental regulations are lax. These jobs have been moving overseas for decades.
Many of the most recent job losses can also be attributed to local increases in productivity — that is, as factories employ better technology, they need fewer workers.
In addition, right-to-work legislation is pulling manufacturing into the southern U.S. states at the expense of the northern U.S., and Ontario alike.
“If this were a currency issue, Detroit would be booming right now. Detroit is not booming right now,” Mr. Moffat said. “What [Mr. Mulcair] is implying is greatly exaggerated.”
A study released by the Institute for Research on Public Policy this week vindicated this view: It found the impact of petro-based high currency to have less of an impact on manufacturers than feared. According to the study’s authors, Dutch disease had most hurt small, labour-intensive industries like textiles and apparel.
However, another study about to be published in Resource and Energy Economics contends that up to 39% of jobs lost in the manufacturing sector between 2002 and 2007 were the result of the exchange rate.
Andrew Leach, a professor with the University of Alberta who focuses on energy economics, noted bitumen from oil sands is also exported: “A high dollar makes export industries less valuable. So in the Alberta oil industry, we’d be really happy if we could export at a 60-cent dollar. All else being equal, that’s 40% more revenue.”
Is a resource-dependent economy a bad thing?
Processed materials and manufactured goods have long been associated with civilization and advancement. Some economic data, however, suggest Canada can have it both ways: A report on manufacturing released by Statistics Canada this week found manufacturing is on the rise, bolstered by growth in the oil and coal sectors.
But resource-extraction plays to the country’s strengths. Canada has a relatively small, well-educated and well-paid population. It may not make sense for a country of 33 million to compete as a major manufacturing base with China.
What Canada does have is lots of oil, fish, minerals and lumber. Further, the country has a financial sector in Toronto that can develop an expertise in financing the things Canada does well.
In March, Jim Prentice, the former federal industry minister and a vice chairman of CIBC, suggested the country re-focus itself accordingly. Ontario should not give up its manufacturing, in fact, it should thrive: “Where better to build the high-value components required than right here in Ontario?” he asked a Toronto crowd. “Who is better able to manufacture the steam generators, the turbines and the electronics than workers in this province?”
Over the next quarter century, he said, it is estimated that Alberta energy companies will purchase more than $55-billion worth of goods from Ontario — the latter province stands to gain more than any other outside Alberta by the resource boom.
'Dutch disease': Does Canada have it? | News | National Post
Ok then.
Oh, and will a Mod be so nice as to correct the typo in the thread title. Merci.
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Thomas and Dutch Disease- Refuted by the CBC - A left of center news agency -
Is Canada suffering from 'Dutch disease'? - Canada - CBC News
All valid points brought forward by others and myself
Yet a recent study by the Institute for Research on Public Policy (IRPP) seems to refute some of what Mulcair has said.
The report, titled Dutch Disease or Failure to Compete: A Diagnosis of Canada's Manufacturing Woes, concedes that Canada is suffering from a "mild case of the Dutch disease."
It says it has caused "small surmountable problems for most manufacturing industries and larger challenges for the public finances of resource-rich provinces."
But it also concludes that it's not the exchange rate causing these problems, as Mulcair suggests, but "sluggish productivity growth" and a downturn in domestic and global demand.
Of the 18 major manufacturing sectors studied in Canada, 11 saw a decline in output due to rising energy prices and the associated exchange rate increase, the report said. But 25 of 80 individual industries (which accounted for a quarter of manufacturing output) were adversely affected.
But the largest declines occurred in textiles, apparel and leather products, which account for less than two per cent of manufacturing output, the study found.
In a recent interview on CBC's The House with Evan Solomon, Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney suggested he doesn't buy into the view that Canada is suffering from "Dutch disease."
Carney acknowledged that Canada's exports have not been strong over the course of the last decade, in part, due to a loss of competitiveness because of the strength of the currency as well as poor productivity.
"But actually, overall, what's been more important than the competitiveness issue, the so-called 'Dutch Disease' issue — I don't subscribe to that, but if you want to put it in that box — what's been more important has been the markets our firms have been focused on," he said.
He said Canada has been focused on slow-growing markets with 85 per cent of our exports going to slow-growth advanced economies.
Thomas and Dutch Disease- Refuted by the CBC - A left of center news agency -
Is Canada suffering from 'Dutch disease'? - Canada - CBC News
All valid points brought forward by others and myself
Yet a recent study by the Institute for Research on Public Policy (IRPP) seems to refute some of what Mulcair has said.
The report, titled Dutch Disease or Failure to Compete: A Diagnosis of Canada's Manufacturing Woes, concedes that Canada is suffering from a "mild case of the Dutch disease."
It says it has caused "small surmountable problems for most manufacturing industries and larger challenges for the public finances of resource-rich provinces."
But it also concludes that it's not the exchange rate causing these problems, as Mulcair suggests, but "sluggish productivity growth" and a downturn in domestic and global demand.
Of the 18 major manufacturing sectors studied in Canada, 11 saw a decline in output due to rising energy prices and the associated exchange rate increase, the report said. But 25 of 80 individual industries (which accounted for a quarter of manufacturing output) were adversely affected.
But the largest declines occurred in textiles, apparel and leather products, which account for less than two per cent of manufacturing output, the study found.
In a recent interview on CBC's The House with Evan Solomon, Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney suggested he doesn't buy into the view that Canada is suffering from "Dutch disease."
Carney acknowledged that Canada's exports have not been strong over the course of the last decade, in part, due to a loss of competitiveness because of the strength of the currency as well as poor productivity.
"But actually, overall, what's been more important than the competitiveness issue, the so-called 'Dutch Disease' issue — I don't subscribe to that, but if you want to put it in that box — what's been more important has been the markets our firms have been focused on," he said.
He said Canada has been focused on slow-growing markets with 85 per cent of our exports going to slow-growth advanced economies.
re: Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....
Rex can generally be depended on to tell it like it is. I think in the near future we'll see that Mulcair is merely a flash in the bedpan!
Rex can generally be depended on to tell it like it is. I think in the near future we'll see that Mulcair is merely a flash in the bedpan!
