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No ... I'm looking at an incomplete sentence - which, in itself makes no sense - followed by a revision of historical fact. FLQ was not a labour union.
I never said the FLQ was a labour union.

I said union leaders. Because of what petros posted below...

Even a partial listing of those arrested—the ones we know for sure are being detained—reads like a Who’s Who of Québec’s political and trade union leaders, writers, and artists of the left and nationalist movements. They include two candidates for Montreal city council; at least five officials of the Confederation of National Trade Unions, including the president of the CNTU’s Montreal central council, Michel Chartrand; some 30 members of the Parti Québécois, the mass independentist party; and prominent political activists like Pierre Vallières, Charles Gagnon and Stan Gray.
Bingo...

Some as far away as Naniamo BC.

Oh, I'm aware of all that. Bear's post (the part with the complete sentence) reads like WMA was called against union leaders.
No, that's why I used the word used.

You should probably stick to reading just the black parts of my posts.
 
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They ARE a think tank. One that is utilized by the IPCC as a source of "scientific fact".
Greenpeace is not a think tank and does not pretend to be one.

The IPCC does not use it as a source of "science fact." The IPCC uses only peer reviewed scientific papers. Only those.
 

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Greenpeace is not a think tank and does not pretend to be one.

The IPCC does not use it as a source of "science fact." The IPCC uses only peer reviewed scientific papers. Only those.
Really? So you say IPCC has NEVER cited Greenpeace or WWF in their official reports as factual contributors?
 

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I have a bigger list....




Fourth Assessment Report

World Wildlife Fund citations

Allianz and World Wildlife Fund, 2006: Climate change and the financial sector: an agenda for action, 59 pp. [Accessed 03.05.07: WWF UK - Conservation, climate change, sustainability filelibrary/pdf/allianz_rep_0605.pdf]
Austin, G., A. Williams, G. Morris, R. Spalding-Feche, and R. Worthington, 2003: Employment potential of renewable energy in South Africa. Earthlife Africa, Johannesburg and World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Denmark, November, 104 pp.
Baker, T., 2005: Vulnerability Assessment of the North-East Atlantic Shelf Marine Ecoregion to Climate Change, Workshop Project Report, WWF, Godalming, Surrey, 79 pp.
Coleman, T., O. Hoegh-Guldberg, D. Karoly, I. Lowe, T. McMichael, C.D. Mitchell, G.I. Pearman, P. Scaife and J. Reynolds, 2004: Climate Change: Solutions for Australia. Australian Climate Group, 35 pp. American Content's Freeware Download Site.wwf.org.au/ publications/acg_solutions.pdf
Dlugolecki, A. and S. Lafeld, 2005: Climate change – agenda for action: the financial sector’s perspective. Allianz Group and WWF, Munich [may be the same document as "Allianz" above, except that one is dated 2006 and the other 2005]
Fritsche, U.R., K. Hünecke, A. Hermann, F. Schulze, and K. Wiegmann, 2006: Sustainability standards for bioenergy. Öko-Institut e.V., Darmstadt, WWF Germany, Frankfurt am Main, November
Giannakopoulos, C., M. Bindi, M. Moriondo, P. LeSager and T. Tin, 2005: Climate Change Impacts in the Mediterranean Resulting from a 2oC Global Temperature Rise. WWF report, Gland Switzerland. Accessed 01.10.2006 at http://assets.panda.org/downloads/medreportfinal8july05.pdf.
Hansen, L.J., J.L. Biringer and J.R. Hoffmann, 2003: Buying Time: A User’s Manual for Building Resistance and Resilience to Climate Change in Natural Systems. WWF Climate Change Program, Berlin, 246 pp.
WWF - Oops! we can't find the page you are looking for...wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/our_solutions/business_industry/climate_savers/ index.cfm
Lechtenbohmer, S., V. Grimm, D. Mitze, S. Thomas, M. Wissner, 2005: Target 2020: Policies and measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the EU. WWF European Policy Office, Wuppertal
Malcolm, J.R., C. Liu, L. Miller, T. Allnut and L. Hansen, Eds., 2002a: Habitats at Risk: Global Warming and Species Loss in Globally Significant Terrestrial Ecosystems. WWF World Wide Fund for Nature, Gland, 40 pp.
Rowell, A. and P.F. Moore, 2000: Global Review of Forest Fires. WWF/IUCN, Gland, Switzerland, 66 pp. http://www.iucn.org/themes/fcp/publications /files/global_review_forest_fires.pdf
WWF, 2004: Deforestation threatens the cradle of reef diversity. World Wide Fund for Nature, 2 December 2004. Welcome to WWF's global network
WWF, 2004: Living Planet Report 2004. WWF- World Wide Fund for Nature (formerly World Wildlife Fund), Gland, Switzerland, 44 pp.
Zarsky, L. and K. Gallagher, 2003: Searching for the Holy Grail? Making FDI Work for Sustainable Development. Analytical Paper, World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Switzerland
This is the famously inaccurate citation about the Himalayan glaciers:
WWF (World Wildlife Fund), 2005: An overview of glaciers, glacier retreat, and subsequent impacts in Nepal, India and China. World Wildlife Fund, Nepal Programme, 79 pp.
Greenpeace citations

Aringhoff, R., C. Aubrey, G. Brakmann, and S. Teske, 2003: Solar thermal power 2020, Greenpeace International/European Solar Thermal Power Industry Association, Netherlands
ESTIA, 2004: Exploiting the heat from the sun to combat climate change. European Solar Thermal Industry Association and Greenpeace, Solar Thermal Power 2020, UK
Greenpeace, 2004: Greenpeace Argentina | Greenpeace Argentina accessed 05/06/07
Greenpeace, 2006: Solar generation. K. McDonald (ed.), Greenpeace International, Amsterdam
GWEC, 2006: Global wind energy outlook. Global Wind Energy Council, Bruxelles and Greenpeace, Amsterdam, September, 56 pp., accessed 05/06/07
Hoegh-Guldberg, O., H. Hoegh-Guldberg, H. Cesar and A. Timmerman, 2000: Pacific in peril: biological, economic and social impacts of climate change on Pacific coral reefs. Greenpeace, 72 pp.
Lazarus, M., L. Greber, J. Hall, C. Bartels, S. Bernow, E. Hansen, P. Raskin, and D. Von Hippel, 1993: Towards a fossil free energy future: the next energy transition. Stockholm Environment Institute, Boston Center, Boston. Greenpeace International, Amsterdam.
Wind Force 12, 2005: Global Wind Energy Council and Greenpeace, Global Wind Energy Council - GWEC: GWEC publications, accessed 03/07/07
Other questionable citations

Citing a magazine:
Bowen, N., 2002: Canary in a coalmine. Climbing News, 208, 90-97, 138-139.
Citing a student's dissertation:
Schwörer, D.A., 1997: Bergführer und Klimaänderung: eine Untersuchung im Berninagebiet über mögliche Auswirkungen einer Klimaänderung auf den Bergführerberuf (Mountain guides and climate change: an inquiry into possible effects of climatic change on the mountain guide trade in the Bernina region, Switzerland). Diplomarbeit der philosophisch-naturwissenschaftlichen Fakultät der Universität Bern.
Citing other Masters students:
Shibru, M., 2001: Pastoralism and cattle marketing: a case study of the Borana of southern Ethiopia, Unpublished Masters Thesis, Egerton University.
Wahab, H.M., 2005: The impact of geographical information system on environmental development, unpublished MSc Thesis, Faculty of Agriculture, Al-Azhar University, Cairo, 148 pp.
Gray, K.N., 1999: The impacts of drought on Yakima Valley irrigated agriculture and Seattle municipal and industrial water supply. Masters Thesis, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, 102 pp.
Bohm, M.C., 2006: Capture-ready power plants - Options, technologies and economics, MSc Thesis, MIT. , accessed 05/06/07.
Duncan, A., 2005: Solar building developments. Master Applied Science thesis, Massey University Library, Palmerston North, New Zealand.
Sekar, R.S., 2005: Carbon dioxide capture from coal-fired power plants: a real options analysis. MSc Thesis, MIT. accessed 02/07/07.
Banda, A., 2002: Electricity production from sugar industries in Africa: A case study of South Africa. M.Sc thesis, University of Cape Town, South Africa.
Kaartinen, T., 2004: Sustainable disposal of residual fractions of MSW to future landfills. M.S. Thesis, Technical University of Helsinki, Espoo, Finland. In Finnish.
Citing a boot and clothing de-contamination guide for Antarctic tour operators:
IAATO, 2005: Update on boot and clothing decontamination guidelines and the introduction and detection of diseases in Antarctic wildlife: IAATO’s perspective. Paper submitted by the International Association of Antarctica Tour Operators (IAATO) to the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting (ATCM) XXVIII. IAATO, 10 pp. Guidelines and Resources - IAATO.
Third Assessment report

World Wildlife Fund citations

Malcolm, J.R. and A. Markham, 2000: Global Warming and Terrestrial Biodiversity Decline. World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, 34 pp
Arntzen, J. and S. Ringrose, 1996: Changes in rangelands. In: Climate Change and Southern Africa: An Exploration of Some Potential Impacts and Implications in the SADC Region [Hulme, M. (ed.)]. Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom and World Wildlife Fund International
McNeely, J., K. Miller, W. Reid, and T. Werner, 1990: Conserving the World's Biological Diversity. World Resources Institute, IUCN, Conservation International, World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, and World Bank, Washington, DC, USA, 193 pp.
Rogers, D., 1996: Changes in disease vectors. In: Climate Change and Southern Africa: An Exploration of Some Potential Impacts and Implications in the SADC Region [Hulme, M. (ed.)]. Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom, and World Wildlife Fund International, Gland, Switzerland.
EEPSEA, 2000: The Indonesian Fires and Haze of 1997: The Economic Toll and the World Wide Fund for Nature. Economy and Environment Program for SE Asia, World Wildlife Fund, International Development Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada, 9 pp. Available via e-mail at info@idrc.ca.
Barber, C.V. and J. Schweithelm, 2000: Trial by Fire: Forest Fire and Forestry Policy in Indonesia's Era of Crisis and Reform. World Resource Institute, Forest Frontiers, World Wide Fund for Nature(WWF)-Indonesia, Telapak Indonesia Foundation, 448 pp.
Whetton, P.H., 1999: Comment on the 1999 Climate Change Scenarios for Australia. United Kingdom Climatic Research Unit and World Wildlife Fund, Climate Impact Team, CSIRO Atmospheric Research, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia, 3
Freese, C.H., 2000: The Consumptive Use of Wild Species in the Arctic: Challenges and Opportunities for Ecological Sustainability. Report submitted to World Wildlife Fund, Arctic Programme, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, 145 pp.
Helmer, W.P., P. Vellinga, G. Litjens, H. Goosen, E. Ruijgrok, and W. Overmars, 1996: Growing with the Sea—Creating a Resilient Coastline. World Wildlife Fund for Nature, Zeist, The Netherlands, 39 pp.
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WWF (World Wildlife Fund), 1996: Sustainable Energy Technology in the South. A Report to WWF by Institute of Environmental Studies, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, and Tata Energy Research Institute, New Delhi, India.
Bernow, S., K. Cory, W. Dougherty, M. Duckworth, S. Kartha, and M. Ruth, 1999: America’s Global Warming Solutions. Worldwildlife Fund, Washington, DC.
Greenpeace citations

Radford, D., R. Blong, A.M. d'Aubert, I. Kuhnel, and P. Nunn, 1996: Occurence of Tropical Cyclones in the Southwest Pacific Region 1920-1994. Greenpeace International, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, 35 pp.
Gibson, M.A. and S.A. Schullinger, 1998: Answers from the Ice Edge: The Consequences of Climate Change on Life in the Bering and Chukchi Seas. Greenpeace Arctic Network, Anchorage, AK, USA, pp. 32.
Hoegh-Guldberg, O., 1999: Climate Change, Coral Bleaching and the Future of the World's Coral Reefs. Greenpeace International, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, 27 pp.
Greenpeace, 1999: Wind Force 10: a blueprint to achieve 10% of the world’s electricity from wind power by 2020. Greenpeace and European Wind Energy Association Report, Greenpeace, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
 

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I never said the FLQ.

I said union leaders. Because of what petros posted below...
And you predicted what Petros was going to say. Gotcha


...a game where your attention skills probably conquer you....

Some as far away as Naniamo BC.

So now you accuse BC of complicity with Quebec separatistes?

No, that's why I used the word used.

How did they know until arrested FLQ suspects sang? Cart before the horse theory?

You should probably stick to reading just the black parts of my posts.
You should make them complete sentences so I don't have to guess
 

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There has been anti Union sentiment in Canada and throughout the Western world for more han thirty years now - strongest in the Ablo-Saxon part, It has been a deliberate and well funded campaign by the Right and fuelled by a number of wealthy corporations and individuals.

In the 1970s, six wealthy American families set up "Think Tanks" for the sole purpose of developing strategies and propaganda for the Right Wing counter attack on society. Those are the same six who have been behind the tobacco industries defensive denials and who now are the source of almost all anti climate research material.

In Canada, the Fraser Institute and the C.D. Howe Institute came about for the same purpose.

And they succeeded wildly. They gave us Reagan and Mulroney and a shift of public conscience to the Right.

As Orwell said, Fascism is the counter attack of Capitalism on the Unions.

To read the ill informed Right Wing epistles of some here is to understand just how well they have succeeded. As these individuals sink further and further down in their relative economic standing, they applaud those who seek their subservience.

And we wonder how Nazism and Fascism could have deceived whole nations!

Actually you do not. You do, however, need to consider the reality that Unionism is too weak in Canada for there to be any possibility of applying the Swedish model.

It is quite irrelevant to the societies of, particularly, the English speaking countries.
You don't just drink the Kool-Aid, you bathe in it. What a load of hogwash.
 

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Have any of you ever looked into the history of Unionism. Have any of you considered how many brave souls died in Union activities to bring you the social, economic and political freedom to take the anti Union stance that you do?

Without your grandparents fierce Unionism, you would still be using outside toilets - those of you who would have had any toilets. There is not a single one of you non-Unionists who would have what you have without Unions. And the loss of them now is why your relative economic position id declining now. But, as I said, you are gullible idiots who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda of the Right.

And, btw, I have never belonged to a Union. I have always been management or professional. I just know something of history. I see and understand what is happening in the world around me. I am not so self absorbed that I can only look to the little world of my personal situation.
When I was in meadowbank we shi* in a pail,clac was the union and when it came time after 3 years they claimed they didnt have a collective agreement with us,no problem taking our dues though and i never did get 3 years worth back from those thieves in CLAC.
 

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When I was in meadowbank we shi* in a pail,clac was the union and when it came time after 3 years they claimed they didnt have a collective agreement with us,no problem taking our dues though and i never did get 3 years worth back from those thieves in CLAC.
CLAC is having troubles finding contracts in SK. Esp. the LEDCOR hacks.
 

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CLAC is having troubles finding contracts in SK. Esp. the LEDCOR hacks.
I wonder if revenue Canada would be interested in the 3 years of dues they took off of 30 guys.They acknowledged years ago that they screwed up and it would be tough to deal with because of the taxes,now they dont answer any calls.
 

petros

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I wonder if revenue Canada would be interested in the 3 years of dues they took off of 30 guys.They acknowledged years ago that they screwed up and it would be tough to deal with because of the taxes,now they dont answer any calls.
Claim the dues, if CRA has issues, point them to CLAC. You still have your pay stubs with the deduction?
 

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Have any of you ever looked into the history of Unionism. Have any of you considered how many brave souls died in Union activities to bring you the social, economic and political freedom to take the anti Union stance that you do?

Without your grandparents fierce Unionism, you would still be using outside toilets - those of you who would have had any toilets. There is not a single one of you non-Unionists who would have what you have without Unions. And the loss of them now is why your relative economic position id declining now. But, as I said, you are gullible idiots who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda of the Right.

And, btw, I have never belonged to a Union. I have always been management or professional. I just know something of history. I see and understand what is happening in the world around me. I am not so self absorbed that I can only look to the little world of my personal situation.

Don't mix up "the history" with the present day. The advent was honourable enough, kids were working 14 hours a day in mines 7 days a week for 50 cents a week. I can only speak for myself as far as Unions go, the only ones during my tenure who benefitted were the fat cats, drones, parasites and sh*t disturbers. Before the Union horned their way in I was making a satisfactory wage based on my ability and performance...........the Union only made things worse because they changed things so competents and incompetents go paid equal wages, and the only recognition was seniority.
 

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Either you'll get the credit or you won't but if you don't then CRA will initiate a look see into CLAC. It's well worth taking a crack at.
 

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Have any of you ever looked into the history of Unionism. Have any of you considered how many brave souls died in Union activities to bring you the social, economic and political freedom to take the anti Union stance that you do?]
Yep. I was in firefighters union. It was good for decades, but now even it is becoming lazy, gaining weight, and top heavy.

Without your grandparents fierce Unionism, you would still be using outside toilets - those of you who would have had any toilets. There is not a single one of you non-Unionists who would have what you have without Unions.
Uhuh. The oldest company in North America (its roots go back to the 17th century) has never been union.
And the loss of them now
Unions are gone? Since when?
is why your relative economic position id declining now.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with housing bubbles, crony capitalism, etc.
But, as I said, you are gullible idiots who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda of the Right.
And we all know there's no propaganda used by the lefties. uhuh

And, btw, I have never belonged to a Union. I have always been management or professional. I just know something of history. I see and understand what is happening in the world around me. I am not so self absorbed that I can only look to the little world of my personal situation.
Congrats