Obama Gives $192M to Palestinians
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If Israelis were oppressing and killing Palestinians on their own and the Canadian government was standing up for Palestinian freedom, justice, and human rights, I wouldn't be "harping and sensationalizing" on a Canadian forum. But the currently elected "Canadian" government unshakably supports all this injustice and cruelty.
Also, this thread is about how the US aid money... The opening post creates an impression that this aid money goes towards helping averaging Palestinians, rather than helps a brutal Palestinian dictator torture and kill Palestinians...
Also on page 1 of this thread, I posted a list of war crimes committed by Israeli war criminals which is paid with US aid money and unshakably supported by the Canadian government. Not a single person herew besides me has condemned these heinous and cruel acts. Which means that Canadians are more or less ready to support our government if they start sending billions in aid to Israel and would also support Canada entering a mutual defense pact with Israel so our Canadian soldiers can become war criminals just like "some" members of the IDF.
You should thank me, for posting this information, because MSM doesn't report it and for the most part, most Canadians don't have a clue about this conflict. Most Canadians believe the middle east's most militarily powerful nation and only ME nuclear power is the victim of the middle east's poorest and most oppressed people. I just referenced reputable links which clearly show how the US helped overthrow the a democratically elected government and supports war crimes and not a single Canadian here was able to condemn it. Instead of dealing with the facts as supported by the evidence, most people who posted on this thread attacked the messenger (me) and not the message.
Is this a forum for debate or personal attacks? I'll have to read the forum rules again...
Why are Palestinians in the West Bank, on average, better off than those in Gaza?
Here...
Not even your beloved AI believes they won the election without violence, fraud and murder.
But here you are DEFENDING Hamas, yet again.
Words to live by. Why are you allowed to live by that motto, but Israel isn't?
You defended Galloway, Galloway was handing money directly to Hamas. An act you also defended.
Shall I post the articles from AI regarding Hamas use of murder and violence against political opponents and dissidents, to maintain its control over Gaza?
Why is handing money to Fatah bad, but handing it to Hamas is good?
There is no debate with you. You simply refuse to see, believe or recognize anything that doesn't support your agenda.
All you're worth is mocking and insulting. And even that's begun to get boring.
You should. There are rules against posting about causes, and spamming.
Two things you do constantly.
Waste of money unless it also goes hand in hand with free trade and free labour movement. Without that, the money will accomplish little.
Why be upset over this revelation? The US still sends Foreign Aid to Venezuela, Yemen and other nations that diametrically opposed to our views. BUT... they do take our money without any complaints. If we need more just do what our nation has done for decades. Fire up the Treasury presses. Taxes only hurt until you pass on.
Gee, I dunno Eagle ~ I tried Google to see if Tea Baggers protested against giving away money to Israel and found nothing. Would you do me a favor and find where there were TB protest rallies against this largesse? I have to admit, I am stumped on this one. :dontknow:
Yes Canada's seat on the security council would have stopped them dead in their tracks. God you make Pierre Trudeau look stupid. Change your avatar for the love of Margaret.
Hey it's Obama were talking about here. His name practically rhymes with Osama and Your Mama and Dalai Lama.
No surp at all man. Surp is the new Sup by the way.
Oh look here comes Gopher with his obsession about ball sacks again.
Are you a continuous loop tape or something?
What debate? How does one debate with one's own words re-arranged into something that reads nothing like the original exchange? Hell, I learned six girlfriends and a wife ago to stay out of that verbal whirlpool....
Well gee Can man, if I thought you'd get excited I wouldn't ask. But the guys suggests that right wing TBs did make some protest over it and I've found nothing. On top of that he hasn't posted anything to prove it.
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Referencing the first post in this thread:
Would someone care to point out how any of this US aid money helps the average Palestinian?
Let's recap. Israel and the US bankroll Abba's Fatah party which lost a general election against another party the US and Israel don't like. So the US and Israel support Abbas with increased arms and mercenaries in an attempt to overthrow the democratically elected Palestinian government which doesn't even have municipal powers. The people the US and Israel don't like intercepted arms in Gaza, but were defeated in the West Bank, thanks to "aid" from the US and Israel. When the Palestinian civil war settled down, Abbas was exposed as a traitor by the Palestinian papers...
The Palestine Papers - Al Jazeera English
So Abbas in an attempt to gain some legitimacy lobbies the UN for recognition... where his motion is approved by the world majority but defeated by a US veto.
The US, arguing that unilateralism is misguided, hypocritically plans to veto Palestinian statehood at the UN.US President Barack Obama's decision to use the US' veto prerogative if the United Nations votes to recognise a Palestinian state will constitute a blow to those seeking peace in the Middle East. His administration's claim that peace can only be achieved through dialogue and consent rather than through unilateral moves ignores the complex power relations that constitute peace-making between Israelis and Palestinians. History teaches that peace is achieved only when the conflicting sides believe that they have too much to lose by sustaining the conflict. And, at this point in history, the price Israel is paying for continuing the occupation is extremely small.
But if, for the sake of argument, one were to accept the view expressed by President Obama - that unilateralism is a flawed political approach - then one should survey the history of unilateral moves within the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and examine the US response towards them. A logical place to begin is 1991, when Israelis and Palestinians met for the first time in Madrid to negotiate a peace agreement. United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338, which call for Israel's withdrawal from the land it occupied during the 1967 War in exchange for peace, served as the basis for the Madrid Conference. Ever since that conference, Israel has carried out numerous unilateral moves that have undermined efforts to reach a peace agreement based on land for peace. These include the confiscation of Palestinian land, the construction of settlements and the transfer of Jewish citizenry to occupied territories, actions that every US administration regarded as an obstruction to the peace process.
The US and Israel cut off Abbas as punishment for his insolence. How dare he attempt to stand up for his oppressed and beaten people??? However, if they don't give him any arms and pick up the tab for mercenaries, Abbas will wind up dead, so they gave a little cash and arms to tide him over.
My point is to just provide clarity to compensate for MSM induced obscurity of the root cause of this conflict... also who is doing what to whom.
If the US wanted to help the Palestinian people, they'd give it to organizations that provide food, shelter, education, medicine, health services... not subsidize a dictator's mercenary tab...
Would someone care to point out how any of this US aid money helps the average Palestinian?
Let's recap. Israel and the US bankroll Abba's Fatah party which lost a general election against another party the US and Israel don't like. So the US and Israel support Abbas with increased arms and mercenaries in an attempt to overthrow the democratically elected Palestinian government which doesn't even have municipal powers. The people the US and Israel don't like intercepted arms in Gaza, but were defeated in the West Bank, thanks to "aid" from the US and Israel. When the Palestinian civil war settled down, Abbas was exposed as a traitor by the Palestinian papers...
The Palestine Papers - Al Jazeera English
So Abbas in an attempt to gain some legitimacy lobbies the UN for recognition... where his motion is approved by the world majority but defeated by a US veto.
The US, arguing that unilateralism is misguided, hypocritically plans to veto Palestinian statehood at the UN.US President Barack Obama's decision to use the US' veto prerogative if the United Nations votes to recognise a Palestinian state will constitute a blow to those seeking peace in the Middle East. His administration's claim that peace can only be achieved through dialogue and consent rather than through unilateral moves ignores the complex power relations that constitute peace-making between Israelis and Palestinians. History teaches that peace is achieved only when the conflicting sides believe that they have too much to lose by sustaining the conflict. And, at this point in history, the price Israel is paying for continuing the occupation is extremely small.
But if, for the sake of argument, one were to accept the view expressed by President Obama - that unilateralism is a flawed political approach - then one should survey the history of unilateral moves within the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and examine the US response towards them. A logical place to begin is 1991, when Israelis and Palestinians met for the first time in Madrid to negotiate a peace agreement. United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338, which call for Israel's withdrawal from the land it occupied during the 1967 War in exchange for peace, served as the basis for the Madrid Conference. Ever since that conference, Israel has carried out numerous unilateral moves that have undermined efforts to reach a peace agreement based on land for peace. These include the confiscation of Palestinian land, the construction of settlements and the transfer of Jewish citizenry to occupied territories, actions that every US administration regarded as an obstruction to the peace process.
The US and Israel cut off Abbas as punishment for his insolence. How dare he attempt to stand up for his oppressed and beaten people??? However, if they don't give him any arms and pick up the tab for mercenaries, Abbas will wind up dead, so they gave a little cash and arms to tide him over.
My point is to just provide clarity to compensate for MSM induced obscurity of the root cause of this conflict... also who is doing what to whom.
If the US wanted to help the Palestinian people, they'd give it to organizations that provide food, shelter, education, medicine, health services... not subsidize a dictator's mercenary tab...
Maybe the real solution here is that the keeps the $192MM and spends on their own citizens... It sure is awfully strange that a nation that is so desperate for food and medical support is bound and determined to attach caveats to the charity... Perhaps they would benefit greatly in convincing their own democratically elected government to cease and desist in expending their limited funds on weapons and bomb-making supplies.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
I like the touch about not having municipal powers, while they have the power to wage war, lol.
Oh by the way, you're defending Hamas again.
Oppressed and beaten? There's an obesity problem in the West bank.
But handing it to Hamas is ok, according to you.
US aid to Abbas does not help the average Palestinian. Many non-governmental organizations operate in Gaza and the West Bank, besides the hospital and school building wing of the democratically elected Palestinian government.
Oxfam for example:
Crisis in Gaza | Oxfam International
Oxfam for example:
Crisis in Gaza | Oxfam International
There you go DEFENDING Hamas again.
Not even your vaulted AI believes they're as humanitarian as you would have us believe.
I had a ton of respect for Oxfam until - The massive Tsunami in SE Asia - Canadian Troops arrived with water purification equipment- ROWPU's - They ( Oxfam)turned the fresh clean water down as it came from the Military. Put their so called morals ahead of those that went on to suffer from disease due to polluted water.
Only after it hit the news did Oxfam relent.
My oh my - What Humanatrains they are - We will not accept this so people can get sick - possibly die - for our moral stance.
Why cannot the world just understand that principle.
OMG!.. Yer right!
I say that you march right up to the White House and make a citizens arrest this very instant! You can slap the cuffs right on all the wrong-doers yourself... Don't forget to wear your best pair of mirror sunglasses (a la Cool Hand Luke - those are the best).
Opps, hold the phone there for a minute - it says here in my handy little 'how to' book that there is no law against giving money to Israel... Damn, and I truly thought that there was a case.
Oh well, back to the drawing board there Matlock.. Better luck next time.
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