One of the biggest problems I have with Noah and his ark is how were the elephants able to mate without capsizing the ark? When I thought of that I knew it was bullsh*t.
I'm conflicted about the Bible. Will you discuss it with me?
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Don't give up it is a process of you finding your way. I can remember my father saying. at the time when we were taught about Original Sin, that the only sin was not using the most precious gift we have our brain (intelligence). He also said we didn't need the 10 Commandments because the words "Do onto other what you would have them do onto you" cover them all. The commandments were also written by men. If today we lived with this there would be no wars or hatred.
The Bible and all the other books were written by men not by God. They also wrote it in a way that ordinary people could not understand and would have to seek designated people. Over the years as the Bible was taught it changed to suit the beliefs of those at the head of the religion. Two good examples are the Crusades and the Inquisition, man made horrors created by conceited men.
I began questioning the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. They are supposed to have been the first human on earth. They had two sons! How did they start the human race? Having children with their mother???
[FONT="]To me the Bible is a book that you take only what teaches good, the rest of it is window dressing.
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I love questions about the Bible. Are you going to do one called answers at some time?
They apparently survived. The Bible only says that God gathered them to the Ark.. With their wives there could have been 4 races right then. Seth's wife would have been a 6 fingered giant as that is who settled in Canaan and that is where the giants were exterminated.
We apparently survived that also. Would you agree that society was less efficient after the flood than before, we also fo dumber at the Tower of Babel.
Of what? For the fossils that are there do you thing the living water is going to be able to revive them all when the new earth starts?
Rain only comes as fresh water, lowering the ocean 5 ft is not going to alter the ocean water that much.
I wasn't aware any did, the ones sacrificed after the flood was over had 'extras'. Perhaps the ones listed were the ones that were given the quickest comeback rate.
You didn't read the book and now you look stupid because of it. God brought the animals there and God closed the door.
Ge:6:20:
Of fowls after their kind,
and of cattle after their kind,
of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind,
two of every sort shall come unto thee,
to keep them alive.
Same as always, the ones listed as being Noah's relatives never saw a blue sky, the mist of Genesis 2 would have created a world with diffuse lighting, no rainbows.
Again it help to refresh how the story goes.
Ge:7:2:
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens,
the male and his female:
and of beasts that are not clean by two,
the male and his female.
Ge:7:3:
Of fowls also of the air by sevens,
the male and the female;
to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
Did Jesus make a covenant with some to revive them in the new earth?
Ho:2:18:
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven,
and with the creeping things of the ground:
and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth,
and will make them to lie down safely.
Obviously not a farm kid. Still it says the windows weren't opened till the rain stopped so the fresh air must have been almost like being wakened from a comma like sleep. God didn't give Jesus anything for 40 days and he made out fine. I'm sure the elephants could have been talked into 'hosing the floors down' and if the wolf and lamb will both eat grass the same one day that would have been the diet, just like Israel got manna in the desert for 40 years straight.
Where would the flying pig that is leading them be going?
lol Perhaps you gave up a bit early.
Ge:5:4:
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years:
and he begat sons and daughters:
Ah, so it was incest then? You know what that does to the gene pool? And Adam lived *800 years* more after begetting his third child? You actually believe this nonsense?
If fundamentalists' views (Moslem, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, etc.) were held by but one individual it would be called madness; if held by a group, it is a tax deduction. The gods must be having a tough time trying to decide whom to support.
The conditions are plainly spelled out, God only has to decide if a person is in the first group or the 2nd group.
Good thing those morality laws hadn't been implemented yet. Are you saying if 4 families happened to survive a natural disaster that left them oodles of food and equipment that they should commit suicide rather than have their kids commit incest? With 4 families you could lessen the incest my doing arranged marriages based on getting the widest diversity possible.
Would Lot's two daughters plan to populate the world by having Lot's children have worked and doesn't sterility accompany a child who is too genetically different/same? I tend to think 8 was the least you could go after the diversity created by Adam and his sons.
Do I believe they lived that long? It does make adding up the years easy and being almost 1,000 years is still quite short compared to being eternal. If that day is a 1,000 years then Adam did die in the 'same day' that he ate the forbidden fruit. Put another check-mark in God's column. I don't believe that age limit extended down to others as they should have been under the 120 year rule that was given in Ge:6. No one made it to 1,000, I wonder if some sort of judgment has to take place on that birthday that wouldn't have worked out very well for future events. If Adam and 23 others named make up the 24 Elders (oldest lived according to the Bible) in Re:4 then they have been getting perfected for the whole time since the resurrection after the cross. The ones alive for the 1,000 reign after that also are said to get perfected to the point they are called Saints. (just like the 10,000 that Moses and Enoch referenced).
How can you not have put that together already (or the Church rather)?
For the human race....after surviving all those above noted calamities.....Global warming should be a walk in the park....:lol:
Somewhere I recall it being said that a year was the time it took for the moon to do a complete cycle ... but that sure doesn't account for years in terms of creating the heavens and Earth....
Hate to point this out but you and cliffy are the ones struggling to make sense out of the Bible.
No, neither of us are struggling to make sense of the bible. It is you who is doing anything and that is trying to justify a fairy tale as reality. Why would I struggle to make sense out of the bible? I far more about it than you do. Your problem is that you take a metaphor as literal fact and try to justify it with mind games. You are the one doing mental gymnastics. You are the one who spends all his time calculating and making up stuff about ice and rain trying to defy the laws of physics and gravity. Time to stop trying to project your madness on others.
Nope. In order for me to keep up with the inane claims, I'd have to develop inane answers. I'll leave that for people that are into writing faerie tales.
Yup. Two koalas can survive indefinitely on two eucalyptus trees. Two kites could survive indefinitely on two snails.
Sorry, but you quoted the Bible as saying the plants and animals came to Noah, not how they all got there. And how long was this supposed to have taken place in? 100 years? It took Noah that long to build a boat and took that long for flora and fauna to get to him? Some all-powerful god that is. I wonder why this god didn't just poof the boat and all the flora and fauna to put in it.
Noah was designing and building this ark. I think I read somewhere that Noah was a vintner or at least had vineyards. Where in the Bible does it say that this god taught Noah how to build boats? As far as I can understand, all the god did was give Noah the size it wanted to boat to be.
Funny how we can dig up remains of hominids from 3.3 million years ago but can't find a single of these giant's remains. Claims have been made from various places around the planet of people that reached 10 to 12' but none are substantiated by conclusive evidence. A few people have made it to 9'+ but claims of 14" plus is a bit tough to accept, especially when there was supposed to have been many and they all had 6 digits at the ends of each limb.
lol Yeah, and the Silver Surfer killed his god and survived.
Can you use lucid English for that comment?
ANY fossil evidence of the story about the ark.
Especially when any water that lands will head right back into the oceans. But saltwater and fresh water do not mix immediately. There must have been a massive die off after having so much freshwater introduced into the seas in such a short time (assuming the story is true).
Ah, more "perhaps this, if that" stuff. I see. So the smallest creatures like bacteria and other creatures had immensely long lifespans, too. Now that's believable alright. Since some of those creatures' lifespans are measured in minutes. And I bet things like deer were shortlived as well considering the predators had to eat something.
Sorry, but that doesn't say that this god herded anything let alone lifted the gangplank.
I read the book alright. I just don;'t believe half the bullshyte in it nor do I believe your goofy interpretations of it.
Must have been freakin cold with all that sunlight being reflected back to space.
Ah, so there weren't just 2 of each on this boat. So 120 million animals and plants fit onto this boat -the sealife and birds (who apparently were flying 24/7)? roflmao This is just getting funnier and funnier.
Yeah I can see safe places to lie down in under 7 meters of water.
Obviously, you aren't.
You both draw a blank on some of my questions and on a lot of other issues, your standard reply is something like you don't need to consider it because the whole book is just a collection of parables. It is important you get this part, prophecy says the days will be like they were in Noah's time before a return is possible. If you and Dex and some Jews are right that the OT flood story is a parable then the coming events are a parable also. The bruise to the heel was the death of Jesus, the other bruise will be just as literal.
Mind games, posting two partial passages that are said to be explanations to visions are called 'mind games', lol. Too much, you really are a mind game yourself, too bad you are so bad at it.
You spend part of the day involved in things you detest, I spend at least that amount a day considering the words in a book I consider to be 'awesome'. It isn't like you are ever going to hold any proof other than your wishes being your powerhouse.
Does a person's toes get wet in Eze:47?
You'd like to think so, but the real fact is that so many of your questions are based on assumptions that aren't true that they're senseless. And it doesn't do any good to explain reality to you, you just reject it. Adam and Eve weren't real people, for instance, and there was no global flood, so any question based on the assumption that those are true stories is a dumb question not worth the trouble of answering.
So you see no advantage in eliminating the need for a trillion cubic miles of water to have the rain be something of 'Biblical proportions'? I find the less 'fantastic' the 'imagination' the more understandable the story is. If you consider having to incorporate all the text into the story part of accuracy as being a waste of time and a version like you or cliffy arrived at some decades back has to be the right one because you are still holding onto it then have at it. It's not likely to change anything that reading 100 verses taught me. If that isn't the 'correct way' that's too bad because it is really easy to read and understand after a certain point. The 70 weeks and Rome in the brass pretty much starts an avalanche of passages that are easy to sort through. (should you ever stop resisting the truth, and when all the verses are used the idea of more than one author goes off like the vapor it is)