Climate Debate Should Stick to Facts

darkbeaver

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It;s been snowing all day here. I just came in from the shed. There's some snow, just under the knees thus far. So when this warming starts how will we know again? I keep forgetting the science is agreed. It looks like an old fashioned blizzard out there.
 

Kakato

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Hundreds gather to PROTEST GLOBAL WARMING
 

ironsides

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We have more to worry about from a occasional asteroid hitting the Earth than from climate change. We have time to adjust to climate change.
 

Tonington

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We have more to worry about from a occasional asteroid hitting the Earth than from climate change. We have time to adjust to climate change.

Will the other organisms we depend on have time to adjust? The pace of change right now exceeds the pace of climate change which produced large extinction events. Don't ignore that.
 

JLM

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Will the other organisms we depend on have time to adjust? The pace of change right now exceeds the pace of climate change which produced large extinction events. Don't ignore that.

If you are talkin' about dinosaur extinction, that may have been a good thing! I don't think one could train them to do much!
 

ironsides

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Will the other organisms we depend on have time to adjust? The pace of change right now exceeds the pace of climate change which produced large extinction events. Don't ignore that.

Cannot ignore that, coral reefs (base of food chain) are dying off from warming water as well as causes we no nothing about.
 

damngrumpy

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Lets see, we should stick to the facts as they are, well I will try to do that
On one side we have the lying greedy oil companies and corporate
interests playing down the serious situation with regard to the environment,
On the other side we have the greedy, self serving environmentalists who
are using every unusual weather event to raise more money to pay for their
existence. If we are going to comb through all the data do we really need
any more facts? Influence and money fuel this debate, and the flapping of
all those gums must be causing serious weather events. I am sick to death
of this stuff
 

petros

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Will the other organisms we depend on have time to adjust? The pace of change right now exceeds the pace of climate change which produced large extinction events. Don't ignore that.
If you get an oceanic H2S release like the P/T extinction event things get really ugly. Even insects take a hard hit.
 

ironsides

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The Green Thing

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the older
woman that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags
weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized and explained,
"We didn't have this green thing back in my earlier days."

The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did
not care enough to save our environment for future generations."

She was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to
the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and
sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and
over. So they really were recycled. But we didn't have the green thing
back in our day.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every
store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't
climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two
blocks. But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.

Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the
throw-away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling
machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry
our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from
their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that
young lady is right. We didn't have the green thing back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every
room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief
(remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In
the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have
electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile
item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion
it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up
an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower
that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to
go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.
But she's right. We didn't have the green thing back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup
or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled
writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the
razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just
because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the green thing back
then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus, and kids rode their
bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour
taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire
bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a
computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000
miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old
folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a
lesson in conservation from a smartass young person.
Remember: Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the
first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off.
 

ironsides

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We can beat that. :)

Extended Forecast

Sat. High: 18° Low: 11°
Sun. High: 22° Low: 16°
Mon. High: 23° Low: 19°
Tues. High: 25° Low: 17°
Wed. High: 26° Low: 18°

I cannot take those temps. you have anymore.
 

L Gilbert

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The Green Thing

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the older
woman that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags
weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized and explained,
"We didn't have this green thing back in my earlier days."

The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did
not care enough to save our environment for future generations."

She was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to
the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and
sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and
over. So they really were recycled. But we didn't have the green thing
back in our day.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every
store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't
climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two
blocks. But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.

Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the
throw-away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling
machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry
our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from
their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that
young lady is right. We didn't have the green thing back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every
room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief
(remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In
the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have
electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile
item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion
it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up
an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower
that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to
go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.
But she's right. We didn't have the green thing back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup
or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled
writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the
razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just
because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the green thing back
then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus, and kids rode their
bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour
taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire
bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a
computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000
miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old
folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a
lesson in conservation from a smartass young person.
Remember: Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the
first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off.
Cute. The old geezers also left hulks of worn out vehicles lying around in fields, tossed pop/beer bottles, old tires,etc. into lakes and rivers, and the real big messy one, dug up oil, from whence comes plastic bags, tv cases, etc. lol

So, the facts ... fall until January and then:

That's a bit more nipply than it's going to be here.
 

Ariadne

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No tube bras, or body suits will camouflage the cold.

Young men will look at ice cold women, see their nipplys frozen and think that women are hot for them.
What can we do about stupid men?
 

JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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The Green Thing

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the older
woman that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags
weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized and explained,
"We didn't have this green thing back in my earlier days."

The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did
not care enough to save our environment for future generations."

She was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to
the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and
sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and
over. So they really were recycled. But we didn't have the green thing
back in our day.

Ain't it the truth? And we complain about our light bill! :lol:
 

Gilgamesh

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Another AGW thread? Do the apologists for Big Oil and the coal mining industry never give up? Unless someone can actually present some evidence that the last three decades have not been the warmest in recorded history it may be time to give the topic a rest.
Aha❗

A real live full blown Suzuki-ite. If you have no facts, blame Big Oil.

That argument was bogus 20 years ago just as it is today.

Their are said to be approx 30-40 supercomputers around the world running many software packages that purport to predict climate change.

Not even ONE forecast the recent 19 year hiatus that saw CO2 levels continue their climb but which saw no global warming at all.

As noted elsewhere, if believe or tout CAGW then you are gullible or a charlatan.

Note how the EU and otherindustrialized countries have totally walked away from acarbon tax.

Two reasons:- First, it does nothing to reduce emissions(!).

Second, it causes a rise in UNemployment (aka. poverty).

Then we have China and India promising to cut emissions when it suits them ie. never.

Finally the killing blow. The USA which steadfastly refuses togo alongwith this bullsh*t income re-distribution scam has had an increase in employment, GDP, etc. with NO increase in emissions.

Of course, our pea brained PM and his puppet naster Butts are determined to pursue a course that has proven both useless and disastrous.
 

sophiewilson019

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Climate change can be felt all over the world.
A random or sudden change of weather in a country can be felt.
But the most affected creatures are the animals.
 

Gilgamesh

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Climate change can be felt all over the world.
A random or sudden change of weather in a country can be felt.
But the most affected creatures are the animals.
Climate has always changed and animals including Homo Sapiens & their ancestors have always adopted - or gone extinct.

99% of all species became extinct and more adaptable ones arose.

Sh*t happens. Nothing we can do about it (contrary to popular myth)