Muslim women must show face to become Canadian citizens

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Why we accept these problem people into our country is beyond me!!!
We have enough of our own problems to deal with, why do we immigrate more problems.
They don't like us, they don't accept our culture, they don't want to integrate/assimilate etc etc !!! And yet we still allow them in. We spend more money dealing with Muslims than any other ethnic group, be it because they get into trouble when they go back to their country or because of all their special requests to accommodate them.
 
CDNBear

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gore0bsessed said:
you realize though, it's a violation of freedom of religion?
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No it isn't. It's a cultural affectation.

I fully support their right to wear it in their day to day life.

But there will be times when their identity must be confirmed.

Allowing them to wear it day to day, but simply remove it for the purposes of identification, is reasonable accommodation of a cultural tradition, and not a violation of freedom of religion, or freedom of expression.
 
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oh it's most certainly religious and this law violates those freedoms like i said.. yeah they should have to reveal themselves for identification purposes if need be, like they would in muslim countries i'm sure.
 
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gore0bsessed said:
oh it's most certainly religious and this law violates those freedoms like i said..
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Just out of curiousity, can you point out the verse in the Quran where it states a woman has to be wrapped up like a burrito?

yeah they should have to reveal themselves for identification purposes if need be
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Well there's no problem then.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran.. but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.
 
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gore0bsessed said:
i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran.. but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.
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Can you post a link or are you just blowing smoke from your south end...?
 
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gore0bsessed said:
you realize though, it's a violation of freedom of religion?
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Do some FFN research - The Niqab, Burka are all cultural - Not required in their Religion.

People like you keep me employed. Without the dumb there would be no work for some of us or less work for others.
 
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gore0bsessed said:
oh it's most certainly religious and this law violates those freedoms like i said.. yeah they should have to reveal themselves for identification purposes if need be, like they would in muslim countries i'm sure.
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Let's say for the moment that it were part of their religion-I don't think it is, but let's imagine it is for a moment. That wouldn't mean that we can't make laws that require them to prove they are who their ID says they are.

The law allows restrictions on freedom all the time. The jurists have tests from many past decisions that have set-up criteria for certain situations, where the law is in conflict.

Obviously we need to be able to identify people, for flights, for offences, voting, and all sorts of other activities. In these situations, remving the face covering would not impede their right to practice their religion to a degree that is unreasonable. It doesn't stop them from praying, it doesn't stop them from gathering, it doesn't stop anything really. In fact I think they could even get around this by having a woman to conduct the activity, or having a male relative with them.

Anyways, most freedoms aren't absolute. You can't kill someone if it's part of your religion either.
 
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gore0bsessed said:
i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran..
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But you claimed it's religious.

but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.
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Ya so? I know Muslims that think women wrapped up like burritos, is stupid. Because nowhere in the Quran does it say to do that to women.

What it does say is...

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outer garments close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

Surah. Al-Ahzab,Verse 59
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And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their head coverings to cover their bosoms, and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule, or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

Sura Nur, Verse 31
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Nope, just cover your body, and be chaste. Hell, the first verse even says to be recognized. That simply disproves any claim to religious tradition or protection.

The abaya has been around a lot longer than Islam, and was/is a cultural tradition.
 
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gore0bsessed said:
you realize though, it's a violation of freedom of religion?
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No it isn't. It is assumed that one would be free to follow their religious creed but not put the rest of the country on guard. A freedom to worship should not linflict fear on other citizrens. To cover one's face is a choice not a demand of Islam.

gore0bsessed said:
i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran.. but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.
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Islam does not demand a woman cover her face nor her head. It is a choice of either the woman or her husband. In my opinion, covering one's face should not be allowed, simply to make sure a woman is not being forced to do so. If she wishes to wear covering over her body fine. Not the face.
 
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gore0bsessed said:
i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran.. but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.
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You're wrong, and it's been shown several times that this is not a requirement of Islam.

Get over it already.

It's cultural, not religious, and there is no need to guarantee it under the charter.
 
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