NDP leader slams PM's Attawapiskat response

#juan

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Do the math juan... that's around 10k per person per year for the last 5 years... that's for housing, education, infrastructure.... that 10k isn't going to buy anything up there.

I've done the math. The place is a black hole. Apparently, it doesn't buy anything. If you look at the pictures of what some people are living in, and see the cobbled together garbage the places are built with, you wonder how the hell they got to this point. I think somebody has to decide where Attawapiskat is going because it will cost a large fortune to bring the place up to any reasonable standard and maintain it.
 

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A third party accounting sounds like the way to go. If the government is blowing smoke it will show. If the leadership spent the money stupidly it will show. Maybe the NDP needs to get behind that idea.

Does anyone remember all the hoopla about Body Bags a few years ago?
 

Ron in Regina

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A third party accounting sounds like the way to go. If the government is blowing smoke it will show. If the leadership spent the money stupidly it will show. Maybe the NDP needs to get behind that idea.

Does anyone remember all the hoopla about Body Bags a few years ago?


I don't recall the body bags thing, but on the third party accounting thing,
sounds like something close to 32 or 34 out'a 74 reservations in Sask are
already either on the third party accounting thing. Something stinks on a
very large scale with this whole situation. Where's the leadership with so
many of these reserves? Why are 1/2 making it while 1/2 aren't?
 

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"These people are living in sheds, these people are living in tents, without having their kids around them, without heat. And it is –15. Today it's even –20. That's what I saw yesterday, and I would love this prime minister to go there, and then maybe he wouldn't talk about money, he would talk about the people."

The PM has visited many more reserves than you Nycole but trust the NDP leader to wait until the media is around before doing so. You might also want to visit some of the remote reserves in your home province of Quebec for an eye-opener. What hubris.



Here's a couple of gems I picked up on the Huff post. Members of the Attawapiskat community used helicopters to go hunting - that one from a native who lives on the Attawapiskat reserve. The band used money earmarked for education to buy a zamboni for their rink - that last one was just mentioned again by Robert Fife during CTV's Press Gallery.


Harper will never talk about the people
 

Ron in Regina

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Harper will never talk about the people


Don't get me wrong here, as I'm not absolving the current government
of anything here, but I'm assuming that this mess didn't just happen in
the last 1/2 decade or so....& much needs to be done, & a third party
audit is one of the first steps (along with fast-safe-warm-temporary
shelters immeadiately hitting this community & others via C-130's if
their airports can handle them) before more money is funnelled in
so that accountability is in place.

This is a fly-in community, and I'm assuming shipping (by boat) for
limited times of the year, and I've heard stories (the radio, etc...) of
a reporter seeing a Cadillac Escalade driving by as they're filming
people living in a shed made out'a scraps of garbage and tarps, and
of the band buy'n a new Zamboni while members are living in tents.
Something stinks, and an audit is needed but fast.
 

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I clearly recall a near-instant divorce on a honeymoon trip to Honey Harbour when I told my new bride you can tell an Indian house by the tarpaper shack and the Cadillac in the driveway - until we went around the bend (though it was a Lincoln)

Different priorities....
 

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I'm not sure if this leak has been around for a while, but I guess it's getting some limelight because of the recent events.

Canada’s First Nations policies cause friction, human rights challenges: U.S. diplomatic cable

OTTAWA — Officials in the U.S. embassy in Ottawa worry that unless Canada gets a comprehensive policy for dealing with First Nations rights, tension between Aboriginals and governments will continue to fester and will “pose ongoing human rights challenges,” according to a leaked U.S. diplomatic cable.

U.S. diplomats say in the document — unclassified but labelled “sensitive” — that the government’s lack of a clear policy on First Nations rights is detrimental to relations with First Nations.

“Lack of a standard model for resolving comprehensive land claims, self-government agreements, and the absence of a clear legal definition of what constitutes an ‘aboriginal right’ have resulted in complex multi-year negotiations, a significant claims backlog, and friction between aboriginal communities and the federal and provincial governments,” the cable says.

The federal government put the Northern Ontario community’s finances under a third-party manager who will directly administer the band’s funding from Aboriginal Affairs, which is usually managed by the First Nation itself.

Under a section labelled comment, one diplomat says, “Canadian courts have been the primary drivers of federal and provincial efforts to resolve Aboriginal grievances, both in imposing new obligations and in encouraging negotiations to pre-empt litigation.”

The diplomat, who signs his or her name only as Hopper, goes on to say that without a comprehensive policy, Canada won’t be able to effectively deal with grievances in a timely manner.

The cable, dated Aug. 21, 2009, was written in response to a border dispute between Mohawks and the Canadian Border Services Agency because customs agents were given firearms at the Cornwall Island crossing to the United States. The Mohawks had to cross into the U.S to reach the island, part of the Akwesasne First Nation.

The cable is part of a trove of more than 251,000 classified and sensitive U.S. diplomatic documents released by Wikileaks in November 2010.

“This is perhaps a moment that we grasp, we seize this opportunity and that this government can grasp this moment to work with First Nations and we can begin to look forward to supporting the unleashing of potential of our young people,” Atleo told reporters.

WikiLeaks cables: Canada
 

#juan

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The Liberal did a good deal of work on these problems but Harper threw it all away. About two years of talks
between federal, provincial, and first nations that resulted in agreements that could have prevented most
of what we are seeing now.

CBC News In Depth: Aboriginal Canadians
 

gerryh

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I doubt any of the naysayers are truly interested in answers, but here it is any ways.

Dealing with comments about Attawapiskat | âpihtawikosisân


oh, and by the way, those that have been saying that we need to see where the money went the last 5 years.... this band has and has had a full accounting available on line for anyone to see. It's linked to in this article.
 

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The Liberal did a good deal of work on these problems but Harper threw it all away. About two years of talks
between federal, provincial, and first nations that resulted in agreements that could have prevented most
of what we are seeing now.

CBC News In Depth: Aboriginal Canadians
You saw that as a good deal?

Hasn't your overall opinion been that there is too much money spent on First Nations as it is?
 

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On Global news this AM there appeared to be a lot of hankypanky with the money and relationships between those spending the loot and those that are supposed to be overseeing. All at the taxpayers expense of course.
Perhaps those that were so quick to blame Harper might have to find a dead crow or three to chew on.
 

CDNBear

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I doubt any of the naysayers are truly interested in answers, but here it is any ways.

Dealing with comments about Attawapiskat | âpihtawikosisân


oh, and by the way, those that have been saying that we need to see where the money went the last 5 years.... this band has and has had a full accounting available on line for anyone to see. It's linked to in this article.
It's true there are financial statements, but they just show allocation. Not final use.

Just one number, such as Education, 8.1million dollars for education? In a community that hovers around 1700 to 2100 people?

Even a special interest shill like me has to ask wtf?
 

gerryh

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It's true there are financial statements, but they just show allocation. Not final use.

Just one number, such as Education, 8.1million dollars for education? In a community that hovers around 1700 to 2100 people?

Even a special interest shill like me has to ask wtf?


That's about 4000 per person Bear. How much do YOU think kics education, plus adult education in a remote northern community SHOULD cost per person?
 

#juan

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You saw that as a good deal?

Hasn't your overall opinion been that there is too much money spent on First Nations as it is?

I don't think everyone, me included, realised just how remote Attawapiskat was. Throwing money at this
problem without a full plan to solve it has been shown to be worthless. Harper's ninety million dollars simply
disappeared. My solution would be to complete the rail line from Moosonee. This would lower the cost of
living just about overnight.
 

CDNBear

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That's about 4000 per person Bear. How much do YOU think kics education, plus adult education in a remote northern community SHOULD cost per person?
I'll get back to you in a minute or two.

I don't think everyone, me included, realised just how remote Attawapiskat was.
I'm glad to see you come around to what has been said many times over. Thanks.

Throwing money at this problem without a full plan to solve it has been shown to be worthless.
I agree with that, as always.

Harper's ninety million dollars simply disappeared.
You need to read Gh's link...


My solution would be to complete the rail line from Moosonee. This would lower the cost of living just about overnight.
I know the area fairly well, it would take years to actually finish that rail line, and cost easily tens of millions of dollars. If not more.

I realize it seems close to Moosonee, but may as well be on the moon for the terrain that will have to be crossed.
 

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I don't think everyone, me included, realised just how remote Attawapiskat was. Throwing money at this
problem without a full plan to solve it has been shown to be worthless. Harper's ninety million dollars simply
disappeared. My solution would be to complete the rail line from Moosonee. This would lower the cost of
living just about overnight.

#Juan- that works out to be $15 million a year spread among 1800 people, not to mention all associated shipping costs, so the money didn't just disappear. I agree with extending the R.R. but don't be surprised if the bill for that is at least $90 million. :smile:

I know the area fairly well, it would take years to actually finish that rail line, and cost easily tens of millions of dollars. If not more.

I realize it seems close to Moosonee, but may as well be on the moon for the terrain that will have to be crossed.

I figure it would be either Shield or Muskeg or a lot of both! :lol: