NDP leader slams PM's Attawapiskat response

JLM

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NDP leader slams PM's Attawapiskat response

Interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel has denounced Prime Minister Stephen Harper for his comments that the government has spent millions in the troubled northern Ontario community of Attawapiskat and is unhappy with the results.

So in just under 6 years Harper has spent about $720 a month per person which is roughly equal to welfare in the big cities. I'm guessing it costs twice as much to live there as it would in Toronto or Winnipeg. So it's not an inordinate amount of money, considering conditions. I wonder how much of the $90 went for health costs due to the sickness caused by the squalor! Build some four plexes with central heating and 6" of insulation, then costs will come down.
 

DaSleeper

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Nothing is incorrect about it. :)

So in one year...... from all sources, the people on the reserve get about $1800 per person per month, and considering the price of food, fuel and other commodities up north, that have to be flown in by plane....that ain't much....
Now admit it, you were trying to slam the post before doing the math....because of the poster.
 

Ron in Regina

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How many permanent jobs are there in Attawapiskat ? How many of the 1800 people are working?
I'm all for immediate help for these people but not just throwing money around like we have been doing.
I would like to know how many villages that are in similar situations in the north.


Yesterday there was 1800 people on that Rez. Today (in a news story I read
about an hour ago) it's 2100.
 

damngrumpy

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Take all the numbers mentioned above and remember the Federal Government gave
this Reserve alone 20 million last year and more for this current year. The real and I
mean real question is, Where the hell did the money go? I am not a Tory never have
been but to blame them for this one is nonsense.
The problem is money is being given to some reserves without any financial oversight
and it has to change. The Government can be held to account for not standing up for
the rights of ordinary people on those reserves. Accounting shows the areas where the
money was spent but there is no statement of accounts, and receipts for the actual
disbursement of funds.
Millions have been spent on this location and the people with little or no voice have not
received a dime and that is the real problem.
 

Ron in Regina

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Attawapiskat by the numbers

Population: 1,800
Houses: 300
Tents: 5
Sheds: 17
Waiting list for housing: 314 applications
People living in De Beers trailers: 90
Cost of maintaining trailers: $100,000 a year
Federal housing allocation for 2011-12: $581,407
Cost of building a new house: $250,000
Federal money for renovating five condemned houses: $500,000
Cost of renovating one condemned house: $50,000-$100,000
Federal stimulus money for housing in 2009-10: $450,000
Benefit payments from De Beers mine since July 2008: $10.5 million (held in trust fund by community)
Amount in De Beers business contracts with Attawapiskat related to mine construction and operation: $325 million
Amount needed to meet housing needs: $84 million

Uhmm...why aren't the 5 tents & 17 sheds, and these reno's,
being dealt with...with the $10&1/2 million dollars being held
in trust by the community? Just curious...8O

I mean, deal with the immeadiate concerns now, with the $$$
on hand...and then figure out the rest once the immeadiate
concerns (the threats to life & limb) are dealt with. Doesn't
that "$10.5 million (held in trust fund by community)"
jump out at anyone else?
 

damngrumpy

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Every electoral jurisdiction in the Country has to be fiscally accountable and
this area should be no exception. Its time to do a serious audit and find out
where the money went and who has it. In the meantime I think the government
might want to step in, build and fix up the current short comings and then take
that money out of the present accounts and future payments.
In addition I believe its time accountable people were installed into the seats
of that local government. Is this interference? Yes but there is provisions for
such actions. For example governments can move in on civic governments or
school boards that go astray and this should be no different. I don't think we
should simply take over every Reserve because we don't like the way it is
governed, but in this case there are some serious shortcomings and there is a
lot of accountability to be found in this case. A court appointed adjudicator
needs to manage this Reserve back to good financial health, and find out where
the money went and who ended up with it.
 

JLM

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Take all the numbers mentioned above and remember the Federal Government gave
this Reserve alone 20 million last year and more for this current year. The real and I
mean real question is, Where the hell did the money go? I am not a Tory never have
been but to blame them for this one is nonsense.
The problem is money is being given to some reserves without any financial oversight
and it has to change. The Government can be held to account for not standing up for
the rights of ordinary people on those reserves. Accounting shows the areas where the
money was spent but there is no statement of accounts, and receipts for the actual
disbursement of funds.
Millions have been spent on this location and the people with little or no voice have not
received a dime and that is the real problem.

I forget which poster it was but we were advised that the money was spent in wh*re houses and casinos in Las Vegas, so it would follow that quite a lot was also spent on travelling there and back.
 

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Harper just stood up and said that in the last five years Attawapiskat received 95 million dollars. I've also read that
their education money was spent on a new Zamboni for their hockey rink.
 

gerryh

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Harper just stood up and said that in the last five years Attawapiskat received 95 million dollars. I've also read that
their education money was spent on a new Zamboni for their hockey rink.


Do the math juan... that's around 10k per person per year for the last 5 years... that's for housing, education, infrastructure.... that 10k isn't going to buy anything up there.
 

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I forget which poster it was but we were advised that the money was spent in wh*re houses and casinos in Las Vegas, so it would follow that quite a lot was also spent on travelling there and back.

That was me. I don't have precise evidence of that, I use it as an analogy for the money that is wasted. I wrote cathouses actually. Many of the enablers are doing fine and don't care about the poor, their own poor one would think. Imagine, aboriginals are not saintly. Who knew?

From what I've heard on the news about this reserve, no one works. One of the things I think the media just omit as the media lights their hair on fire and runs in all directions at once. There are no jobs on or near this unfortunate and unpronounceable settlement.
 

JLM

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So in one year...... from all sources, the people on the reserve get about $1800 per person per month, and considering the price of food, fuel and other commodities up north, that have to be flown in by plane....that ain't much....
Now admit it, you were trying to slam the post before doing the math....because of the poster.

The math I did worked out to be $720 a month per person. Your statement is ambiguous, do you mean Year or month?
 

mentalfloss

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Now admit it, you were trying to slam the post before doing the math....because of the poster.

No, I was just laughing at the fact that you posted a transparency document from CBC. Dem state broadcasters need to go!

Holy carp.. Harper is actually paying attention to first nations now (with bravado!)... I wunder how that happened? (must be another failure of the opposition)


PM plans 'historic' summit with First Nations

Will talk about ways to improve living conditions

OTTAWA -- Just after the federal government was raked over the coals by the opposition for its handling of the housing crisis on Ontario's Attawapiskat First Nation, the prime minister announced Thursday a meeting between First Nations and federal leadership will take place in late January.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper made the announcement alongside the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, Shawn Atleo, on Parliament Hill.

The Jan. 24 meeting will bring together Harper, Atleo, Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan and a delegation of aboriginal leaders to discuss ways the government can improve the social and economic lot of remote reserves.

Earlier in the House of Commons, the government faced allegations it is incompetent and unwilling to address the human face of a housing crisis in Attawapiskat, in northern Ontario.

Harper told reporters he looked forward to the summit because it would allow for a dialogue about not just the challenges facing First Nations, but their opportunities as well.

He said the meeting would be "something that I think will be historic and I hope proves to be useful."

Earlier, debate was heated in question period, following an admission the previous day by Duncan that, despite repeated visits to the reserve by officials in his department, he did not know of the crisis until last week.

This revelation pushed interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel to demand to know why, after so many visits to a community on the verge of crisis, federal officials had not sounded alarm bells. "No red flags were raised. Why? We need an answer," she said.

She slammed the government for focusing on the bottom line instead of the living conditions of residents, after the government announced Wednesday it was placing the reserve's finances under a third-party manager who will directly administer the band's funding from Aboriginal Affairs.

Neither the prime minister nor Duncan addressed repeated questions about a long-term plan for the community.

On Wednesday in committee, Liberal MP Carolyn Bennett asked Duncan when he found out about the crisis in Attawapiskat.

"After a painful 20-second pause, he answered 'last week... about Thursday,' " Bennett said.

Bennett then asked how Duncan could have become aware only last week about the housing shortage and deplorable living conditions, since the community itself had called a state of emergency a month ago.

PM plans 'historic' summit with First Nations - Winnipeg Free Press
 

DaSleeper

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No, I was just laughing at the fact that you posted a transparency document from CBC. Dem state broadcasters need to go!
Actually I found that information through another souce.....Then I looked to replicate the info from a source that you and others on the left would believe.....:lol:
 

mentalfloss

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Actually I found that information through another souce.....Then I looked to replicate the info from a source that you and others on the left would believe.....:lol:

I know it's originally from the first nations website. I just thought I'd congratulate you on your newfound love for CBC. ;)