He stated his beliefs clearly - You disagree - that is fine - He made his points and saw no further reason for discussion. Again nothing wrong with that.
Nature, Nurture, or Choice?
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He stated his beliefs clearly - You disagree - that is fine - He made his points and saw no further reason for discussion. Again nothing wrong with that.
Maybe I'm not thinking things through on this topic enough.
I'm Hetro. I didn't have to decide that I was...I just am. I'm
guessing I was born that way 'cuz that's just the way it is,
and always has been for me.
I'm assuming (& I know...the ass/u/me thing) that's just the
way it is for those that are Homo or Bi or whatever. Maybe
some confusion due to peer and societal pressures, but you
are what you are in the end, aren't you?
I'm Hetro. I didn't have to decide that I was...I just am. I'm
guessing I was born that way 'cuz that's just the way it is,
and always has been for me.
I'm assuming (& I know...the ass/u/me thing) that's just the
way it is for those that are Homo or Bi or whatever. Maybe
some confusion due to peer and societal pressures, but you
are what you are in the end, aren't you?
Two things: first to the question in the OP. I didn't choose to be bi, I just am. To me it's not about who I can have sex with, but rather who I love. Man or woman, doesn't matter. Sex is just the icing on the cake as it were but to me, loving them is more important. Why is it that whenever stuff like this is brought up, it's always about sex? Hell, anyone can have sex with anyone (or anything; there are some really weird people out there), but in the end, it's just sex. Love is totally different and maybe that should be the real question. I also think (and this was mentioned in previous posts) that there's feeling a thing, and acting on it, which can easily lead into a whole other debate topic.
The second thing I wanted to comment on was this
A hundred or more years ago, sixteen year olds were a hell of a lot more adult than they are now. Actually they were not just having kids, but maintaining homes, working x hours in a day and just dealing with life in general. Today? Teens are spoiled rotten and have to be treated like glass otherwise they might break. IMO, this is the attitude that's lead to the whole teen pregnancy thing and everything else teens get into. It's not "just because they're teens", but it's because, as a society, we've allowed kids to remain kids beyond the old age when they would have had to start being adults.
Just my .02 cents. And FYI, anyone having sex with a kid under sixteen nowadays deserves more than what's normally given to them.
The second thing I wanted to comment on was this
A hundred or more years ago, sixteen year olds were a hell of a lot more adult than they are now. Actually they were not just having kids, but maintaining homes, working x hours in a day and just dealing with life in general. Today? Teens are spoiled rotten and have to be treated like glass otherwise they might break. IMO, this is the attitude that's lead to the whole teen pregnancy thing and everything else teens get into. It's not "just because they're teens", but it's because, as a society, we've allowed kids to remain kids beyond the old age when they would have had to start being adults.
Just my .02 cents. And FYI, anyone having sex with a kid under sixteen nowadays deserves more than what's normally given to them.
Homosexuality is sin nature. When people who suffer from homosexuality claim "I was born this way", they're telling the truth and are correct. However, one of the biggest lies that homosexuals unfortunately believe is that "God made me this way". God is not responsible for the sin nature and all the things that are attributed to it like homosexuality. Some people inherit an unnatural attraction and others inherit different types of difficulties that don't necessarily lead to more sinful behavior, like being born blind or with disease. It's all part of the curse. Is it fair? No. There's nothing fair about sin. It's evil.
Where the "choice" comes into play is when someone chooses to engage in homosexual behavior. But what a lot of people including Christians don't remember is that having heterosexual sex outside of marriage is also a sin. Jesus said "if you even look at a person with lust you have committed adultery in your heart". It's all lust and adultery in God's eyes. Sin is sin.
That's why for the poll I chose "none of the above" because I believe homosexuality is nature, sin nature. And the behavior is a choice just like how we all have choices regarding our sex lives regardless of orientation. I didn't pick "a mixture of influences" because I believe that the choices regarding homosexual behavior is irrelevant to the answer of where homosexuality "comes from".
Being Gay is NOT a Choice - YouTube
Where the "choice" comes into play is when someone chooses to engage in homosexual behavior. But what a lot of people including Christians don't remember is that having heterosexual sex outside of marriage is also a sin. Jesus said "if you even look at a person with lust you have committed adultery in your heart". It's all lust and adultery in God's eyes. Sin is sin.
That's why for the poll I chose "none of the above" because I believe homosexuality is nature, sin nature. And the behavior is a choice just like how we all have choices regarding our sex lives regardless of orientation. I didn't pick "a mixture of influences" because I believe that the choices regarding homosexual behavior is irrelevant to the answer of where homosexuality "comes from".
Being Gay is NOT a Choice - YouTube
That argument about it being sin only works, of course, if you believe in the Christian God. Or any of the other Gods who are against Homosexuality for that matter. But not everyone believes in those Gods, and sometimes even those who DO believe in those Gods, see them as more forgiving and understanding and not the... beings... others paint them to be. IMO, what God you believe in should have nothing to do with it because faith and God is a personal thing (but again, a whole other topic).
You are right in one thing; being homosexual, bi, or anything else ISN'T the choice. The choice is to actually act upon their feelings.
So then perhaps heterosexuals should start choosing not to act on their sexual urges, and see how far that goes. I predict while some could do it, most cannot, or would not. Therefore, what right do you (collective you) have to dictate to anyone who is gay that they cannot act upon their feelings?
yes, you are what you are.
I believe a 'truly' gay person is born gay, but I also believe 'some' people have made the choice to live as a gay/lesbian person because of their
lack of comfort with the opposite sex, or 'just' fear, maybe caused from treatment as children.
I believe a 'truly' gay person is born gay, but I also believe 'some' people have made the choice to live as a gay/lesbian person because of their
lack of comfort with the opposite sex, or 'just' fear, maybe caused from treatment as children.
First remember that regardless of my viewpoint I can't stop people from engaging in homosexual behavior, their sin is between God and them. They have free will and can act upon their feelings. As for what right I have to dictate to anyone who is gay, I have just as much right to it as my right to tell heterosexuals that their pre-martial sex is sinful, or just as much right as you would have to disapprove of your teenage daughter being promiscuous, or someone abusing a child, or any other action that one feels is wrong.
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Yer just jealous cuz you ain't gettin' nun.
What other people do is none of our business unless someone is being harmed. Telling people that having sex before marriage is a sin is a personal belief and really has nothing to do with what they are doing. If you think premarital sex is sin, then don't do it. Telling others that they are sinning is just being a self righteous prick.
Yer just jealous cuz you ain't gettin' nun.
What other people do is none of our business unless someone is being harmed. Telling people that having sex before marriage is a sin is a personal belief and really has nothing to do with what they are doing. If you think premarital sex is sin, then don't do it. Telling others that they are sinning is just being a self righteous prick.
Well it's a fine line if you ask me. We're all sinners and there's not one good person among us, so you should alwayz approach others with love and your own sense of humility. But on the other hand if people never heard that their behavior was sinful they would never realize that they need forgiveness and salvation.
The problem is that just because you think someone needs salvation does not mean that they do. Not everybody shares your belief in the bible, or your god, so making judgments on them based on your beliefs is being self righteous by definition. And other people have beliefs that are just as valid and righteous as yours even if you think otherwise. If a Muslim came up and started preaching to you that your religious beliefs were the work of the devil, you would get all medieval on his ass. How do I know that? Because I have seen some of your right wing religious and political rants.
Like someone said, "let he who has not sinned throw the first stone." Whatever others do is between them and "their" god not you or your god. There are many ways to salvation, yours is just one in spite of your belief to the contrary. Thinking that your beliefs are the only true beliefs and everybody else is wrong is being self righteous. Telling someone that is being a self righteous prick.
Yet you say "there are many ways to salvation". Why would there be many ways or even one narrow way to salvation if there was no need for it?
That doesn't matter. Not all viewpoints and beliefs are valid, in fact only one viewpoint is - the correct one.
No I wouldn't! People can preach any message they want! It's actually imperative that everyone is free to share whatever faith they want, because that way Christians are also free to express their faith.
Have I ever written that we should "get medieval" on their asses? No. I'm just not willing to appease their political agenda, nor am I willing to tolerate their widespread violence.
And is that I why I should only see it your way?
Thinking that your beliefs are the only true beliefs and everybody else is wrong is being self righteous. Telling someone that is being a self righteous prick.
