You already answered my question. No need to make up new 'ifs' to justify your lack of consistency.
Canada considering mutual defense pact with Israel
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If they ditched the theocracy and two tiered rights, they'd get my full support. Same goes for Palestine.
Just so Canadians know what we would be up against in the event of a full scale war with Iran. It would appear from the referenced reports below that Iran doesn't have CW or BW stockpiles. Iran has signed the treaties banning CW and BW production and stockpiling. However Iran has the ability to produce BWs and CWs in a relatively short time, similar to their Nuclear Weapon break out capability. I would expect that in the event of an attack, Iran would make developing a WMD capability their second highest priority. Defending themselves with their conventional weapons would be the highest priority.
As is evident from the contents of the Persian Type Culture Collection discussed below, Iran clearly has access to many dangerous pathogens. Furthermore, Iran clearly possesses technology useful for producing biological weapons (as will be elucidated in the Facilities section of this profile). What remains unclear is whether Iran is indeed proceeding with a BW program. Like many facilities throughout the United States and Western Europe that have similar or even more advanced capabilities, these facilities are open to public scrutiny. Also, like many facilities in the West, Iran's leading biotechnology research and development facilities create valuable vaccine products that are distributed in Iran and throughout the world.
NTI: Country Overviews: Iran: Biological Capabilities
While Iran ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) in late 1997, it continues
to seek production technology, training, and expertise from foreign entities that could
advance Iran's assessed chemical weapons (CW) program. We assess that Iran
maintains the capability to produce CW agent in times of need and conducts research
that may have offensive applications. We judge that Iran still maintains a capability to
weaponize CW agents in a variety of delivery systems.
Iran probably has the capability to produce some biological warfare (BW) agents for
offensive purposes, if it made the decision to do so. We assess that Iran has previously
conducted offensive BW agent research and development. Iran continues to seek dualuse
technologies that could be used for biological warfare.
http://www.dni.gov/reports/Unclassified%20Report%20to%20Congress%20WMD%20Covering%201January%20to%2031%20December%202007.pdf
BTW, I just learned a few things about Iran's CW and BW weapon programs. Iran has never used BWs or CWs offensively, even during the Iran/Iraq war when they were attacked by Iraq CWs. They had the capability and the legal right to use them in response, but for some reason, they did not resort to using them. I also assumed that Iran had CW and BW stockpiles like the US and Israel. apparently they do not. They have played with them in the labs and tested them, but they don't currently produce CW or BW weapons according to US intel. What they have is the ability to produce them in a relatively short period of time.
As is evident from the contents of the Persian Type Culture Collection discussed below, Iran clearly has access to many dangerous pathogens. Furthermore, Iran clearly possesses technology useful for producing biological weapons (as will be elucidated in the Facilities section of this profile). What remains unclear is whether Iran is indeed proceeding with a BW program. Like many facilities throughout the United States and Western Europe that have similar or even more advanced capabilities, these facilities are open to public scrutiny. Also, like many facilities in the West, Iran's leading biotechnology research and development facilities create valuable vaccine products that are distributed in Iran and throughout the world.
NTI: Country Overviews: Iran: Biological Capabilities
While Iran ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) in late 1997, it continues
to seek production technology, training, and expertise from foreign entities that could
advance Iran's assessed chemical weapons (CW) program. We assess that Iran
maintains the capability to produce CW agent in times of need and conducts research
that may have offensive applications. We judge that Iran still maintains a capability to
weaponize CW agents in a variety of delivery systems.
Iran probably has the capability to produce some biological warfare (BW) agents for
offensive purposes, if it made the decision to do so. We assess that Iran has previously
conducted offensive BW agent research and development. Iran continues to seek dualuse
technologies that could be used for biological warfare.
http://www.dni.gov/reports/Unclassified%20Report%20to%20Congress%20WMD%20Covering%201January%20to%2031%20December%202007.pdf
BTW, I just learned a few things about Iran's CW and BW weapon programs. Iran has never used BWs or CWs offensively, even during the Iran/Iraq war when they were attacked by Iraq CWs. They had the capability and the legal right to use them in response, but for some reason, they did not resort to using them. I also assumed that Iran had CW and BW stockpiles like the US and Israel. apparently they do not. They have played with them in the labs and tested them, but they don't currently produce CW or BW weapons according to US intel. What they have is the ability to produce them in a relatively short period of time.
Finally a post by a sane person who isn't a troll. I try to ignore CB's posts.
I don't support Iran's Theocracy either. But its up to the Iranians to decide their government. I am against starting unprovoked wars which result in hundreds of thousands or possibly hundreds of millions of innocent deaths. (weaponized smallpox or ebola)
Palestinians elected Hamas in their last election because their other choice was a corrupt party full of enemy collaborators. aka Fatah. Not much of a choice. People who would sell out their own grandmothers vs medieval Islamic Zealots. I support their right to natinality, freedom and justice. I don't support any violence to achieve that goal. I support non-violent means only. I support using embarrassment and isolation to pressure Israel to grant these people their fundamental human rights. I support an arms embargo against Israel now and would support an economic embargo against Israel if they continued to oppress and dehumanize Palestinians. I only support an arms embargo against the Palestinians. I do not support making food and medicine dependent on their acceptance of Israeli imposed oppression and injustice.
I also don't support Israel's war criminals (ethnic cleansing, human shields....) and Israelis who commit crimes against humanity (Israel's humanitarian aid embargo against Palestinians)
I'd like to see some assholes try to attack the Prairies in winter it would be like the Eastern Front in 42 all over again.
I doubt any country has plans to attack Canada. But if we sign this agreement, Iran will have to consider how to fight back against a coalition of nations which includes Canada. A little weaponized ebola or small pox released simultaneously in major Canadian cities would be devastating... Canada would probably prevail over Iran, but at what cost/benefit?
Most Canadians under 50 years old never got the small pox vaccine. Also, vaccines aren't necessarily permanent protection.
I know the US has been playing with weaponizing Ebola and many other infectious diseases. I would be surprised if the Iranians have restricted their research to just small pox.
I guess we'll find out the terms after the agreement has been signed.... maybe.
I suspect Israel is interested in getting Canadians to fight Iran on their behalf.
Another aspect to this is when Hezbollah and/or Hamas attack Israel. The response would require sending troops into Lebanon and Gaza. Any Israeli apologists here support putting Canadian boots on the ground in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon? Should Canadian soldiers also help Israelis evict Palestinians from their homes? Should Canadians help Israel drop White Phosphorus munitions on Gaza city? Should Canadian soldiers assist Israel's humanitarian aid blockade? Consider how these actions would affect our relations with the rest of the world.
Another scenario involves Turkey. If Israel and Turkey had a dispute. Its possible these two countries could fight over offshore resources between Cyprus and Israel. Canada would be obligated to support Turkey as a member of NATO. In theory Canadian troops could fight on both sides if we had a mutal defense pact with Israel.... I agree its unlikely that Canadian troops would end up shooting at each other, but a mutual defense agreement would force Canada would be to choose between our NATO allies and Israel.
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My Canada supports and respects international laws, treaties and conventions regarding fundamental human rights. My Canada doesn't support war criminals or people who commit crimes against humanity. My Canada doesn't support unprovoked wars and is a force for international peace, justice and freedom.
Perhaps you could describe your Canada?
My Canada hasn't been My Canada for quite a few decades, for it was usurped by an irresponsible idiot-logical socio-political bent, "the enemy within" I would say, ...
my ideal of Canada would not enter into an agreement in which it ought reasonably to have known < that phrase we often cite to justify decisions - that it could conflict with existing agreements, like the NATO/Turkey example.
My Canada would support Israel being in NATO.
my ideal of Canada would not enter into an agreement in which it ought reasonably to have known < that phrase we often cite to justify decisions - that it could conflict with existing agreements, like the NATO/Turkey example.
My Canada would support Israel being in NATO.
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So you would rather align us with a bunch of theocratic terrorists that have no problem murdering little kids? You parents must be terribly embarrassed at how their offspring turned out.
Lets see
My Canada
troops to South Africa during Boer War.
World War 1
World War 2
Korean War
Kosavo
Afgahnastan
Lets not forget Canada" involvement in the formation of Israel.
Didn't our Prime minister win a noble peace prize during the Suez crisis?
We are not a nation of pansies and we know right from wrong.
Why is my asking you questions trolling?
Is it because those questions are to hard for you to answer honestly?
WOW I guess Israel will be Canada’s Vietnam.
Is this why Harper is building war toys for the military?
Will Canada have to deal with the draft?
Maybe our federal government is looking at this as a job creation opportunity.
Is this why Harper is building war toys for the military?
Will Canada have to deal with the draft?
Maybe our federal government is looking at this as a job creation opportunity.
Thanks to Socialist spending, drafts are a thing of the past. ecoACTION - ecoENERGY - ecoENERGY Retrofit – Homes
I am against Israeli war criminals and I am against Iran's theocracy. I would prefer that Canada remain neutral in this conflict, hold everyone to the same human rights standard and condemn all nations which violate international laws, treaties and conventions regarding human rights. Only the feeble minded would have trouble understanding that being against Israel's cruelty, doesn't mean you support Israel's adversaries.
I'm not the one supporting abusers of human rights here. I suggest you look in the mirror. If you support Israeli war criminals then you support their criminal and inhumane treatment of Palestinians, which includes abducting children (some for throwing rocks, others because they are related to people of interest), torture, assassination of political opponents, use of chemical weapons against civilians, forcible removal of Palestinian civilians from their homes in order to build Jewish only colonies (aka ethnic cleansing), blocking international food and humanitarian aid.. and many other illegal and inhumane activities. I don't support these cruelties even though you do and so does the Harper government. If the Harper government has their way and signs a mutual defense pact with Israel, then it wouldn't be long before Canadian soldiers are in Israel and committing the same abuses. I hope Canada's soldiers have enough sense to refuse illegal orders from the Harper government to commit war crimes.