Early Chrisianity

[MHz]

......a woman who contributed a table, or altar, to God Jesus Christ, according to the Israel Antiquities Authority.

The trinity doctrine was not part of the early Church.

Correct me if I'm reading this wrong. There are those that have stated that Constantine was the person that raised Jesus Christ to "God". He was emperor of Rome from 306AD to 337AD. In other words in the beginning of the 4th century. The above Christian Church Mosaic was made in the 3rd century.

What altar is associated with Christianity, wouldn't it be considered to be an 'icon' and as such forbidden?

Constantine only sanctioned the making of the Bible from already existing manuscripts, he didn't authorize any new writings or even supply the definitions of the existing documents, as a Christian he would only have been a student.
If the preface to the KJV1611 edition is correct the RCC changed in the 1300 years that followed if the RCC was displeased that their version of the Bible was not used, rather it was the same version that was assembled for Constantine.

 

[petros]

Being born on "Pi Day" I'll alway be a Pisces no matter where procession takes the rest of you. The time of year you were born does indeed impact your personality for life. Maybe they were on to something 10,000 years ago?

 

[Cliffy]

The trinity doctrine was not part of the early Church.


What altar is associated with Christianity, wouldn't it be considered to be an 'icon' and as such forbidden?

Constantine only sanctioned the making of the Bible from already existing manuscripts, he didn't authorize any new writings or even supply the definitions of the existing documents, as a Christian he would only have been a student.
If the preface to the KJV1611 edition is correct the RCC changed in the 1300 years that followed if the RCC was displeased that their version of the Bible was not used, rather it was the same version that was assembled for Constantine.

What Constantine did was take many different religious groups, put them together and told them to take the existing writings and create one book by leaving out those writings that did not agree with his intended purpose. Christians were just one of the sects involved. Constantine was not a Christian until his death bed.

The bible came into being because the various groups vying for supremacy in the empire were tearing it apart from within. For Constantine, it was purely a political move and he did influence the outcome. He was not religious. He was only interested in bringing some form of stability to his empire.

 

[EagleSmack]

What Constantine did was take many different religious groups, put them together and told them to take the existing writings and create one book by leaving out those writings that did not agree with his intended purpose. Christians were just one of the sects involved. Constantine was not a Christian until his death bed.

The bible came into being because the various groups vying for supremacy in the empire were tearing it apart from within. For Constantine, it was purely a political move and he did influence the outcome. He was not religious. He was only interested in bringing some form of stability to his empire.

He took many Christian/Catholic groups and made them define what it was to be Catholic.

He was religious... but he was a Pagan until the end of his life as you said.

 

[petros]

The trinity doctrine was not part of the early Church.

Based on Judean beliefs or Israelite beliefs?

 

[gerryh]

The trinity doctrine was not part of the early Church.


What altar is associated with Christianity, wouldn't it be considered to be an 'icon' and as such forbidden?

Constantine only sanctioned the making of the Bible from already existing manuscripts, he didn't authorize any new writings or even supply the definitions of the existing documents, as a Christian he would only have been a student.
If the preface to the KJV1611 edition is correct the RCC changed in the 1300 years that followed if the RCC was displeased that their version of the Bible was not used, rather it was the same version that was assembled for Constantine.

Did you even read what I wrote or read the article? Didn't think so.

 

[darkbeaver]

Being born on "Pi Day" I'll alway be a Pisces no matter where procession takes the rest of you. The time of year you were born does indeed impact your personality for life. Maybe they were on to something 10,000 years ago?

The skeptics just aren't comfy with the obvious physical realities of spacial position and velocity during conception. The same notorious church has done everything in its power to ridicule the importance of ancient science and the study of precession in particular. They were and still are a backward bunch of flat earth centrists.

 

[MHz]

Did you even read what I wrote or read the article? Didn't think so.

The link was to a little box article. When was Jerusalem favorable to Christians, unless the story of Saul is bogus Christians were being killed and only the Apostles stayed in Jerusalem until the armies mentioned in Luke:21:20 were on the scene and then all Christians were to leave the area.

Did anybody comment on Israel using prisoners to do 'work'. Is that penny pinching or what?

Based on Judean beliefs or Israelite beliefs?

Both would seem to be the same, one true God. Even they balk at allowing Him (and the Holy Spirit) to have an (only) begotten Son.

.... leaving out those writings that did not agree with his intended purpose.....Constantine was not a Christian until his death bed.

The above appears to be a contradiction, how can he determine what to leave out if he wasn't knowledgeable about what the (early) Christian doctrine was about?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The time of year you were born does indeed impact your personality for life.

Really? Could you expand on that?

 

[petros]

Really? Could you expand on that?

Sure. No problem.

Season of birth may have long-term effects on personality, study suggests and for the women folks....

Season Of Birth Influences Age Of Menopause, Say Italian Researchers

A study of nearly 3,000 post-menopausal women showed that the earliest age of menopause was found in women born in March and the latest among those born in October. On average there was around 15 months' difference, with women born in October reaching menopause at over 50 years compared with under 49 years for women born in March.

Writing in Europe's leading reproductive medicine journal Human Reproduction, lead author Dr Angelo Cagnacci said that the findings reinforced the concept that prenatal environmental factors affected a baby's adult life.

CSEP - Season of birth and prevalence of overweight and obesity in Canada

Season of Birth and Anorexia | Psychology Today

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Very interesting, thanks. That's real stuff though, not mystic nonsense like astrological influences.

 

[petros]

The ancient calender was a myth? If we can observe that women bleed by the moon and winter babies are crankier than summer babies what makes you think people weren't sharp enough to observe those traits 10,000 years ago? They had the solstices pegged to perfection but couldn't didn't pick on the subtleties of human nature? They could give you the time of day and month but that's about it?

You have no faith in man either?

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0001216

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The ancient calender was a myth? If we can observe that women bleed by the moon and winter babies are crankier than summer babies what makes you think people weren't sharp enough to observe those traits 10,000 years ago? They had the solstices pegged to perfection but couldn't didn't pick on the subtleties of human nature? They could give you the time of day and month but that's about it?

You have no faith in man either?

Where'd you get those silly ideas? I've never suggested the ancient calendar was a myth, people have long observed the seasons and the changing signs in the sky as markers of them, it's not that difficult if the night sky's not washed out by modern lighting, and for a relatively primitive agricultural society such data would be crucial, so of course they paid attention. We still do, it's still crucial, to keep the calendar in sync with the actual motions of the planet. Women don't bleed by the moon, if they did every woman on the planet's menstrual cycles would be synchronized to the moon's phases, and they're not. The moon's periodicity is completely irrelevant to menstrual cycles, it's mere coincidence that the average cycle is approximately (and it's VERY approximate) as long as the moon's cycle. I think you've fallen into the straw man fallacy. And just in case you're wondering, astrology is provably utter BS.

 

[Vaessen]

The skeptics just aren't comfy with the obvious physical realities of spacial position and velocity during conception. The same notorious church has done everything in its power to ridicule the importance of ancient science and the study of precession in particular. They were and still are a backward bunch of flat earth centrists.

Being born on "Pi Day" I'll alway be a Pisces no matter where procession takes the rest of you. The time of year you were born does indeed impact your personality for life. Maybe they were on to something 10,000 years ago?

Whether it's provably BS or not, I have avery accurate horoscope on my blackberry. unfortunately, that's the oly good thing about the blackberry and tomorrow I start a new life with the samsung galaxy s 2. I will miss my horoscope.

I happen to think that there's a little truth to the stuff. If you look at the description of cancers and knew me quite well, you'd be shocked at how accurate it is in at least one case.

 

[damngrumpy]

Jerryh this is really interesting stuff. The church being the Christian Church destroyed
so much. It is the same crazy stuff the Taliban was attempting to do in Afghanistan.
In the very beginning, the Church engaged in a political battle for power in the first one
hundred years. The four books of the Bible became the testaments even though in many
cases the contradict each other. There were apparently as many as a dozen books of
the Bible and some say even more but they were ignored in favour of four.
Then comes Constantine, the man who used the church to reignite his empire and get
people to believe in something. Again the prime motivation was power not religion.
Then Pope Gregory came along and changed all kinds of things for his political benefit.
However even having said that the time dated floor leaves us with many questions and
something to go on that may or may not change some of the conventional truths as we
know them Maybe.

 

[petros]

Food allergies can be pegged to season of birth but unless it's observed and recorded by geeks it's just an "old wive's tale"?

Primitive agrarians? Astrology in ag It's still in use today.

The Farmer's Almanac still sells really well. It's predictions are astronomically based.

An almanac is an alchemists notebook usually encoded in astrological symbology.

It goes back to Khemet's (Ancient Egypt) al khemists and obviously deeper back in time.

They were growing, storing and distributing mass quantities of food ahead of time knowing when the drought years were coming over 6000 years ago in recorded history. All so they could support their complex urban societies.

Why would they bother noting emotional, physical and psychological difference by the month you were born in?

They were too busy staying up all night watching the star so they knew when to plant and when to harvest?

What were the women doing? Dishes?

It must really suck balls having to commute to the fields, raise a family in the city and go busting rock in winter for the Pharaoh.

I'm glad were smarter than that these days.

 

[In Between Man]

I happen to think that there's a little truth to the stuff. If you look at the description of cancers and knew me quite well, you'd be shocked at how accurate it is in at least one case.

Yeah, horoscopes are written that way. They're written with such a vagueness its easy to apply them to different situations. Look at this one for myself, today: "Friction between your lively, communicative outside and your soft, vulnerable inside may make it difficult for you to find the solution you seek.". That's so vague you have to ask yourself what it really means in the first place.

Horoscopes = waste of time

 

[Cliffy]

Yeah, horoscopes are written that way. They're written with such a vagueness its easy to apply them to different situations. Look at this one for myself, today: "Friction between your lively, communicative outside and your soft, vulnerable inside may make it difficult for you to find the solution you seek.". That's so vague you have to ask yourself what it really means in the first place.

Horoscopes = waste of time

Wow! You are a Caramilk bar - hard chocolate on the outside and soft caramel on the inside. Polar bears would loooove you!

 

[In Between Man]

Wow! You are a Caramilk bar - hard chocolate on the outside and soft caramel on the inside. Polar bears would loooove you!

:lol: