New Rulers declare Libya Liberated

[EagleSmack]

Nope. I bet no one in this thread has even been in Africa.
.

You lose! I have.

What do I win?

 

[lone wolf]

That's an interesting view ,that you think rebel criminals that ruthlessly killed people who've now got power are going to find and return billions of dollars.. to the people ? :lol:
I wouldn't bet on that prediction. Things are going to get much worse in Libya than it ever was under any point under Gaddafi's rule.
In fact I would guarantee it.

Quote from an article

A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort:
[Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 US dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious.
They maintained that the international community had been misinformed about the struggle against the regime. "Tell us," they said, "who would not like such a regime?"

Even if that is just propaganda, there is no denying at least one very popular achievement of the Libyan government: it brought water to the desert by building the largest and most expensive irrigation project in history, the US$33 billion GMMR (Great Man-Made River) project. Even more than oil, water is crucial to life in Libya.

The GMMR provides 70% of the population with water for drinking and irrigation, pumping it from Libya's vast underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas 4,000 kilometers to the north. The Libyan government has done at least some things right.

Did anyone tell you we credit our sources here? It's kind of a copyright thing.

 

[CDNBear]

Even if that is just propaganda, there is no denying at least one very popular achievement of the Libyan government: it brought water to the desert by building the largest and most expensive irrigation project in history, the US$33 billion GMMR (Great Man-Made River) project.

 

[Goober]

That's an interesting view ,that you think rebel criminals that ruthlessly killed people who've now got power are going to find and return billions of dollars.. to the people ? :lol:
I wouldn't bet on that prediction. Things are going to get much worse in Libya than it ever was under any point under Gaddafi's rule.
In fact I would guarantee it.

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True they did - Quadaffi also caused a lot of deaths as well.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Drones, Dictators, Dirty Deals: Gaddafi worth more dead than alive?

Video By RT

Despite the death of Moammar Gaddafi, NATO has yet to announce the end of its seven-month long bombing campaign in Libya. What started off as a mission to protect civilians quickly targeted a dictator who had fallen out of favour with the West. Gaddafi never lived to see his trial for war crimes at the Hague. And as RT's Gayane Chichakyan reports, he could simply have been worth more dead than alive to the Alliance.


   Drones, Dictators, Dirty Deals: Gaddafi worth more dead than alive?  :  Information Clearing House​

 

[CDNBear]

Drones, Dictators, Dirty Deals: Gaddafi worth more dead than alive?

Video By RT

Despite the death of Moammar Gaddafi, NATO has yet to announce the end of its seven-month long bombing campaign in Libya. What started off as a mission to protect civilians quickly targeted a dictator who had fallen out of favour with the West. Gaddafi never lived to see his trial for war crimes at the Hague. And as RT's Gayane Chichakyan reports, he could simply have been worth more dead than alive to the Alliance.


** Drones, Dictators, Dirty Deals: Gaddafi worth more dead than alive?* :* Information Clearing House​

CTV Ottawa- NATO to end Libya mission on Oct. 31 - CTV News

Bombing has ended.

Air patrols will continue until 31 Oct.

You really should avoid the propaganda sites.

 

[Angstrom]

Lizzy Phelan Gives a full account of all she has witness the events that happened in libya.

Testimony of Libya - Lizzy Phelan -

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Lizzy Phelan Gives a full account of all she has witness the events that happened in libya.

Testimony of Libya - Lizzy Phelan -

thanks for posting this.

from your site:


This is the best video of truth i have ever seen.
There's only so long the U.S government can get away with this and they only are now cos were letting them.
We elected these people but surely we should still have a say on what happens especially starting a war or in this case an injustice.
The problem is one day they will start with the wrong country and bombs will be dropped not on them but on us.

...Yep , that about sums it up. The question is : why are the collective "we" allowing the USG to get away with all it's atrociities and LIES?? ans: most likely because it is evident they don't care who they bomb into submission in order to preserve their self appointed "rule" over the planet. They are completely addicted to power, control and if that means slaughter en masse....so be it.

they have finessed the spin to justify their actions to the degree that to question it , can be percieved in negative terms.

otoh......many are starting to question......and more truths are being revealed.

It will be the truth that destroys the wanna be Imperialist.

 

[TenPenny]

Liberated so they can bring in Sharia law. Awesome!

Replace a brutal dictator with law based on a brutality stemming from religion!

 

[EagleSmack]

thanks for posting this.

from your site:


This is the best video of truth i have ever seen.
There's only so long the U.S government can get away with this and they only are now cos were letting them.
We elected these people but surely we should still have a say on what happens especially starting a war or in this case an injustice.
The problem is one day they will start with the wrong country and bombs will be dropped not on them but on us.

...Yep , that about sums it up. The question is : why are the collective "we" allowing the USG to get away with all it's atrociities and LIES?? ans: most likely because it is evident they don't care who they bomb into submission in order to preserve their self appointed "rule" over the planet. They are completely addicted to power, control and if that means slaughter en masse....so be it.

they have finessed the spin to justify their actions to the degree that to question it , can be percieved in negative terms.

otoh......many are starting to question......and more truths are being revealed.

It will be the truth that destroys the wanna be Imperialist.

So Canada leads the brutal bombing campaign against Libya, takes full credit in the Canadian news, sets up a foreign leader for an assasination, the US only plays a supporting role...

... but it is still entirely the US's fault?

You are just too much of a nationalist to see anything beyond what you want to see Breezy.

 

[Angstrom]

Liberated so they can bring in Sharia law. Awesome!

Replace a brutal dictator with law based on a brutality stemming from religion!

The more we dig into this, the more it looks like he wasen't even a brutal dictator.

Watch that last link I added. she was a british witness to the whole mess.

At the end his convoy was flying a white flag and rumours he had surrendered to NATO but they still bombed him.

 

[EagleSmack]

"Nope... we didn't have anything to do with it. Blame the US."

 

[TenPenny]

I'm going to assume that the next phase is to allow the Taliban to take back Afghanistan, since we (ie, NATO) are apparently supportive of regimes based on Sharia Law.

 

[EagleSmack]

The more we dig into this, the more it looks like he wasen't even a brutal dictator.

Watch that last link I added. she was a british witness to the whole mess.

How does it feel to know it was one of your generals that set him up?

 

[Angstrom]

"Nope... we didn't have anything to do with it. Blame the US."

Canada - USA we all the same at this point.

 

[EagleSmack]

"Wasn't me"

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Liberated so they can bring in Sharia law. Awesome!

Replace a brutal dictator with law based on a brutality stemming from religion!

indeed, 10 Penny. But if THAT is what the collective population wants...... not much anyone can do about it.....or even should.

As long as strong & fanatical BELIEFS control human lives one cannot expect much progressive change.

It makes a cute little slogan for the invaders. "liberate them into a free society;".......but what is not examined is how they percieve freedom to begin with.... and how it will comply with their long standing religious beliefs which have such a strong hold on them.

It is foolish for anyone to think that one can just do a regime change and a new kind of progressive thinking will follow in the population.

It is also foolish to consider that one can impose a certain style of "freedom" on a nation with such a different culture , value system and belief system.

It is as unrealistic as trying to convert a religious person in the west into examining things on a purely scientific basis with logic and facts being the critial factors. People of "faith" don't take kindly to questions or serious examination of their beliefs. This applies to ALL religious belief systems.

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[TenPenny]

indeed, 10 Penny. But if THAT is what the collective population wants...... not much anyone can do about it.....or even should.

Feel free to go to Afghanistan and make that point, because I'm pretty sure the majority of the population wouldn't care, as long as the war stopped. Try reading 'The Never Ending War' if you have any doubts. And I believe that within 3 years of NATO pulling out, Sharia law will be what exists there, too.

 

[CDNBear]

Watch that last link I added. she was a british witness to the whole mess.

What does her being British have to do with it?

If one was educated, one would recognize the specific words, that expose her bias.

A bias that makes he Op/Ed testimony, subjective at best.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Angstrom: you might recall, Goober asking the question of how many people did Gaddhafi slaughter???

I have searched, using multiple search engines ........and have found nothing .....so far ...that provides any numbers or facts.

OK......not saying that he was without guilt. That is foolish. But once again.........we simply cannot take what the media says as it presents exactly what is going to sway a crowd into buying into information that cannot be fully substantiaed.

.........Of course........One has yet to truly define what the Libyans have been liberated from. If all they wanted was to get rid of Gaddhafi .......and then go about slaughtering all his supporters...... what on earth has been created ???

This whole thing smacks of the dirtiest politics since the lies about "massive stockpiles of WMD " in Iraq.

It is digusting and shameful.

Feel free to go to Afghanistan and make that point, because I'm pretty sure the majority of the population wouldn't care, as long as the war stopped. Try reading 'The Never Ending War' if you have any doubts. And I believe that within 3 years of NATO pulling out, Sharia law will be what exists there, too.

I HAVE read it. and have been saying that all along. The term I use is "perpetual " war.