Occupy Wall Street Fail

[Cliffy]

Far out man! It's the 60s all over again with those who dare to criticize and protest the policies of the 10% who own almost everything in the US depicted as unpatriotic, unwashed bums. Apparently democracy and the right to protest government policies is reserved only for those who serve the wealthy. A someone who has seen all of this before I am struck by the narrow mindedness of the reaction and the similarity to the reaction in the 1960s and 1970s. It does not seem to occur to those condemning the protestors that they might actually have a very valid point, just as those protesting five decades ago also had legitimate grievances.

Of course you can't upset the status quo! Sheeple can't handle change. They can only talk about in a rhetorical sort of way. When faced with it they kinda freak out.

Change is coming whether we want it or not. The economic system is broken and will fall. Whether people have a say in how the new system is designed or whether those in control now do, depends on taking a pro-active stance. Otherwise, if the controllers do it, they will win big time and we will lose even bigger.

 

[Locutus]

Old news is new again


The Income Tax System is Broken



On April 15, don't be surprised if the line at your local post office is a bit shorter than usual. That's because your neighbors may not be paying any income taxes this year.

An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.

Those numbers come from an analysis published yesterday by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution. Neither is a low-tax or conservative advocacy group; the Urban Institute was created under the Johnson administration during the Great Society era, and it receives most of its funding from the federal government.


more...

The Income Tax System is Broken - CBS News





Speaking of real people, here are some of the citizens actually paying the taxes:

We Are The 53%

related:

Occupy Wall Street’s 99%… Meet the 53% | TheBlaze.com

Oh, and some other stuff.


The Top 100 Statistics About The Collapse Of The Economy That Every American Voter Should Know

 

[EagleSmack]

It does not seem to occur to those condemning the protestors that they might actually have a very valid point, just as those protesting five decades ago also had legitimate grievances.

The funny part is... they have no point. They can't even tell us what they are protesting for. They are all over the place. One woman said that there should be free broccolli for vitamins.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The funny part is... they have no point. They can't even tell us what they are protesting for. They are all over the place. One woman said that there should be free broccolli for vitamins.

That's how they get the numbers up. The minute they lock into a specific set of goals, they will lose some or most of their protesters. Of course, without goals, one wonders what they will accomplish.

Also, having just watched Lotion Man, I believe this one individual has pretty much summed up all that is wrong with society and the American Education System today.

 

[Tonington]

Seems to me many were derisive about the Tea Party protests when they started as well. Bankers took advantage of deregulation, and now people are pissed. So now they're making their anger known. There were many fruit loops in the Tea Party movement (and probably still are many) but that doesn't mean being pissed about mismanaged taxes is wrong...

Yeah, they use products from corporations, no friggin $hit ehh? Some people do choose to live in the woods but when your job is gone and you have mouths to feed at home, it's not an option for most people. Just because you use a product doesn't mean you have to therefore be happy with the system that is crumbling around you.

That's a fail too. Logic fail.

 

[Locutus]

That's how they get the numbers up. The minute they lock into a specific set of goals, they will lose some or most of their protesters. Of course, without goals, one wonders what they will accomplish.

Also, having just watched Lotion Man, I believe this one individual has pretty much summed up all that is wrong with society and the American Education System today.

Or the Canadian one.

There is no shortage of nimrods up here. The current idea of 'protesting' or participating is to show up, make a face, perhaps break something, get some youtube facetime and call it a day. Mass hysteria, follow-the-leaderless, we-hate-Cons/Cherry/Harpo mob mentality.

Societal mouth-breathing fail on a huge scale.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

FAIL??? might be smart to wait and see. As that is a tad presumptive.

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How #OccupyWallStreet Is Evolving and Gaining Power

How #OccupyWallStreet Is Evolving and Gaining Power | Common Dreams

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Something Big Is Happening: Occupy Together

by Jim Hightower
To paraphrase one of Bob Dylan's songs of youthful protest, "Something's happening here, and you don't know what it is, do you Ms. Bellafante?"
A New York Times writer, Ginia Bellafante, is but one of many establishment reporters and pundits who've been covering the fledgling "Occupy Wall Street " movement — but completely missing the story. Instead of really digging into what's "happening here," they've resorted to fuddy-duddy mockery of an important populist protest that has sprouted right in Wall Street's own neighborhood.
In a September article, Bellafante dismissed the young people's effort as "fractured and airy," calling it a "carnival" in an "intellectual vacuum." Their cause is so "diffuse and leaderless," she wrote, that its purpose is "virtually impossible to decipher." No wonder, she concluded, that participation in the movement is "dwindling."
Whew — so snide! Yet, so wrong.
While the establishment is befuddled by the plethora of issues and slogans within the protest, confused by the absence of hierarchical order and put off by its festive spirit, that's their problem. The 20- and 30-somethings who are driving this movement know what they're doing and are far more organized (but much differently organized) than their snarky critics seem able to comprehend.

It is silly to..........

Something Big Is Happening: Occupy Together | Common Dreams

 

[Locutus]

Anyway, back to reality...

Occupy Wall Street: Shocking photos show protester defecating on POLICE CAR | Mail Online

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

I thought that both were the same. I have not read the other thread - My mistake.

No problem.:smile:

Anyway, back to reality...

Occupy Wall Street: Shocking photos show protester defecating on POLICE CAR | Mail Online

I guess even the regressives have a need to "express " themselves" but it sure taints the purpose of the event as well as gives them a horrible , immature, retarded image.

Many nations have been protesting and revolting in the recent past but the folks did not lower themselves to this level of immature , ( untrained toddler like ) conduct.

Is this where one says :" only in america"???:roll:8O

 

[DaSleeper]

Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

Is this where one says :" only in america"???:roll:8O

Of course:roll:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Of course you can't upset the status quo! Sheeple can't handle change. They can only talk about in a rhetorical sort of way. When faced with it they kinda freak out.

Change is coming whether we want it or not. The economic system is broken and will fall. Whether people have a say in how the new system is designed or whether those in control now do, depends on taking a pro-active stance. Otherwise, if the controllers do it, they will win big time and we will lose even bigger.

good points. What most people"fail" to realize is that the only constant in life is change. Sometimes visible and many times not.

 

[coldstream]

New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg took to the airwaves again for his weekly radio show. In his last broadcast, as reported earlier on The Blaze, the New York mayor sounded as if he was getting concerned with the growing number of protesters.
This week he sounds downright annoyed.
His biggest concern?
He believes the protests — should they spiral out of control — will hurt the city’s financial centers, having a ripple effect that would ultimately hurt the workers they claim to fight for.
“What they’re trying to do is take away the jobs of people working in the city, take away the tax base that we have,” Bloomberg said. “We’re not going to have money to pay our municipal employees or anything else.”
He also added that, whether they want to admit it or not, the banks are absolutely vital to the economic well-being of New York and railing against them will only exasperate an already precariously balanced financial situation.

The mere fact that there has been such a vociferous reaction from the Neocon establishment to this, especially from Republican legislators and business lobbying groups, gives me some hope that it might gel into a popular movement against the Free Market, libertarian ideologues who had assumed that they could manipulate the public opinion by obfuscating the utter failure of their program through the media and intellectural sophistry of their minted 'experts'. They created their own mass 'revolution' in the highly contrived and fraudulent Tea Party movement, to preclude exactly this type of reaction.. a genuine, spontaneous grass roots uprising. They know how powerful these can be.

The 'Occupy Wall Street' movement needs a rational voice, which will concentrate on the real issues here.. and marginalize the lunatic fringe which always responds to these, and often distract and destabilize them. The issues are economic, and they need an agenda, specifically related to re-establishing a dirigiste nationalistic economic system, including protective tariffs with the specific goal of full employment, real progressive taxation, especially on capital gains at the full marginal rate (which should be at 75% not Obama's 35% for all income over $1 million), re-nationalization of the currency and credit policy by rescinding all Monetarist policies (free trade in currency and credit).. and by mammoth public investment in transportation and industrial infrastructure and education.

I think this movement will sustain itself, because the alternative is economic collapse. It just needs some focus and leadership.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

 

[Locutus]

Police Gave Warnings at Bridge



By THE NEW YORK TIMESUpdated 12:33 p.m. | With the Internet bursting with videos showing various interactions between the police and protesters from Occupy Wall Street, the New York Police Department decided to add two more.
The videos, which were released on Sunday morning, show the police issuing two separate warnings to marchers who were either poised to cross the Brooklyn Bridge on its roadway, rather than the pedestrian walkway, or had already begun doing so.
One of the videos shows a police official warning protesters that if they crossed the roadway, they would be charged with disorderly conduct. His remarks were met with chants of “Take the bridge, take the bridge.” Seconds later, the protesters begin marching across the bridge, accompanied by cheers.


Police Gave Warnings at Bridge, Videos Show - NYTimes.com







#OccupyWallStreet Protesters Arrested On Brooklyn Bridge Say NYPD Didn't Trick Them



#OccupyWallStreet Protesters Arrested On Brooklyn Bridge Say NYPD Didn't Trick Them

 

[Just the Facts]

Far out man! It's the 60s all over again with those who dare to criticize and protest the policies of the 10% who own almost everything in the US depicted as unpatriotic, unwashed bums. Apparently democracy and the right to protest government policies is reserved only for those who serve the wealthy. A someone who has seen all of this before I am struck by the narrow mindedness of the reaction and the similarity to the reaction in the 1960s and 1970s. It does not seem to occur to those condemning the protestors that they might actually have a very valid point, just as those protesting five decades ago also had legitimate grievances.

For sure, there's lots of reasons to protest government. The occupy wall street people just don't know what they are. I would venture to bet most of them don't even know why they're there....unless "just because" is a valid reason, or because "my friend tweeted me to go". lol

No comparison to hippies. Hippies had a coherent philosophy and many actually put it into practice by living communally. I'm guessing most of the Occupy crowd keeps their stuff back in their room at Mom's house.

 

[Tonington]

Guesses from Just the Facts ?? Maybe they're living at their parents place because they can't get a job and are carrying huge debt from their education.

In one news article I read today a banker said they should all go to business school...

Like that's what the US economy needs more of. "Experts" who created huge bubbles in a de-regulated market, then stuck out their grubby hands for free cash with very little change in behaviour when the house came tumbling down, and now they're throwing their money behind politicians who will promise to keep their taxes low and fight to break down those weak new regulations.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

Is this where one says :" only in america"???:roll:8O

And what does this one say?

To me it says... YOU FAIL

 

[Locutus]

Occupy Atlanta Silences Civil Rights Hero John Lewis! - YouTube

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Guesses from Just the Facts ?? Maybe they're living at their parents place because they can't get a job and are carrying huge debt from their education.

In one news article I read today a banker said they should all go to business school...

Like that's what the US economy needs more of. "Experts" who created huge bubbles in a de-regulated market, then stuck out their grubby hands for free cash with very little change in behaviour when the house came tumbling down, and now they're throwing their money behind politicians who will promise to keep their taxes low and fight to break down those weak new regulations.

Most of the people who lost homes and stuff in the bubble were people who should not have been given a mortgage in the first place. It takes a banker to give away the money in hopes of making a profit and takes an sucker to take on debt they can't affort. Without the latter, the former couldn't have got themselves in trouble.

While I don't think the guys who drove their banks into the ground should have been bailed out by the government, I don't see how turning the problems over to Lotion Man will solve today's issues either.

 

[EagleSmack]

Occupy Atlanta Silences Civil Rights Hero John Lewis! - YouTube

Did anyone watch this? Who are these morons? What is with the constant repetition of each word? They are idiots.

But it also shows African-Americans what lilly white US liberals think of their Leaders. Providing they're are obedient to White Liberals they will be hand fed at the appropriate time.

I hope John Lewis learned a lesson there.

The mere fact that there has been such a vociferous reaction from the Neocon establishment to this, especially from Republican legislators and business lobbying groups,

Where?! Are you serious? This is hilarious.