Occupy Wall Street Fail

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Did the people who took the loans set their qualifying amounts and credit card limits? It's a guaranteed fail and they knew it would fail. That is a scam.


The folks that took the loan, knowing full well that it was high risk - on their own part - should be the ones bearing the brunt of the blame. No one had a gun to their head, it was their own greed and lack of basic foresight that lead to this... If you already only 2 paycheques away from living on the street, does it make sense to rush out and buy a jet ski and cottage at the lake?

My point is: It takes 2 to tango and while the banks that extended the credit are to blame, the customer that demanded that loan or credit facility is just as much at fault.
 

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True, they shouldn't have been given the loans. Which does make you wonder how they managed to force the banks to loan them money. Can I force you to give me money that you know I won't repay?

I still don't know how they forced banks to do this. I was listening to an economist (for what it is worth) and he simply said that he never would believed that banks would leave themselves so vulnerable. Perhaps that is why they bundled the loans? Once they made the loans they would bundle them and sell them to someone else. It now became their problem.

In this fantasy world, real estate never goes down in value. And our society also believes that you can buy a dump, fix it up in 6 weeks of spare time, and sell it for double your investment. That's called television, but people believe it.

And to flip houses you really need to know what you are doing.

Property value was was over priced. Once values plummetted people were still stuck with huge mortgages.


I heard about this story this morning. They were asking people of Latino decent if they knew what the signs they were carrying said. They didn't.

The folks that took the loan, knowing full well that it was high risk - on their own part - should be the ones bearing the brunt of the blame. No one had a gun to their head, it was their own greed and lack of basic foresight that lead to this... If you already only 2 paycheques away from living on the street, does it make sense to rush out and buy a jet ski and cottage at the lake?

My point is: It takes 2 to tango and while the banks that extended the credit are to blame, the customer that demanded that loan or credit facility is just as much at fault.

To me it was not so much as greed but them wanting a lifestyle that they couldn't afford. And if they could actually afford the house then don't buy the $45K SUVs, don't buy the full cable TV package, don't buy the boat, the motorcycle, the 78" Flat Screen, etc.
 

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Bloomberg Slams Occupy Wall Street


Finally, this dude snaps out of his coma.


New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg took to the airwaves again for his weekly radio show. In his last broadcast, as reported earlier on The Blaze, the New York mayor sounded as if he was getting concerned with the growing number of protesters.
This week he sounds downright annoyed.
His biggest concern?
He believes the protests — should they spiral out of control — will hurt the city’s financial centers, having a ripple effect that would ultimately hurt the workers they claim to fight for.
“What they’re trying to do is take away the jobs of people working in the city, take away the tax base that we have,” Bloomberg said. “We’re not going to have money to pay our municipal employees or anything else.”
He also added that, whether they want to admit it or not, the banks are absolutely vital to the economic well-being of New York and railing against them will only exasperate an already precariously balanced financial situation.




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Bloomberg Accuses Wall Street Protesters Of 'Trying To Destroy the Jobs of Working People'

‘Occupy Sacramento’ Protesters Struggle to Explain Why They’re There



As the Occupy Wall Street protests surge in size and spread across the country, the Occupy Sacramento offshoot appears to be both confused, and angry when asked simple questions about their purpose.
About 300 protestors showed up in a downtown Sacramento park Thursday morning to kick off the Occupy Sacramento movement, and they did not take kindly to the the presence of a local CBS reporter. They also couldn‘t agree on why they’re there.
When the CBS reported asked the organizer of the movement what the 300 protestors were doing there, his response was “right now its kind of vague..as it stands right now that message team will reveal that tomorrow morning.”
Others listed a litany of random complaints, some with a tenuous connection to being “angry over corporate greed.”
Another protestor said into the camera, “I‘ve heard it’s anti-capitalist; I’m a socialist, I’m a Marxist communist.”
But the most vague response of the day went to a young woman who said, “I’m here to support people.” :roll:





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Occupy Sacramento Protesters Get Angry With CBS Reporter | Video | TheBlaze.com
 

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Others listed a litany of random complaints, some with a tenuous connection to being “angry over corporate greed.”
Another protestor said into the camera, “I‘ve heard it’s anti-capitalist; I’m a socialist, I’m a Marxist communist.”
But the most vague response of the day went to a young woman who said, “I’m here to support people.” :roll:


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Occupy Sacramento Protesters Get Angry With CBS Reporter | Video | TheBlaze.com

I just got finished watching the video. ::SIGH:: They don't know why they are there either. This is one great movement. If this wasn't CBS News I would have thought I was watching The Onion.

Fear not... the Occupy Sacrmento guy who organized the rally said they are working on a reason as to why they are occupying Sacramento. They should have something by morning he said.
 

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Occupy Wall St, The Start of a New Protest Era?

by Mark Egan and Ben Berkowitz
NEW YORK - When Paul Friedman met the rag-tag youth camped out near Wall Street to protest inequality in the American economy, he felt he was witnessing the start of a protest movement not seen in America since the 1960s.
A woman is arrested after occupying a Bank of America branch during a "Make Wall Street Banks Pay" protest march in Los Angeles, California October 6, 2011. (Credit: REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson)

And Friedman should know. The 64-year-old was a student organizer during the anti-Vietnam War movement, protesting from 1964 for 11 years until the war ended. He also joined Civil Rights actions against racial segregation in America.
On Wednesday, as thousands of union workers marched to show solidarity with the movement called Occupy Wall Street, he walked shoulder-to-shoulder with dreadlocked college dropouts, unemployed youth and students, who for three weeks have camped out near Wall Street and who have no plans to leave

Occupy Wall St, The Start of a New Protest Era? | Common Dreams
 

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USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

Demonstrators Protest Wars, Wall Street in Nation's Capital

by Tony Pugh
WASHINGTON — A sun-soaked noon rally within blocks of the White House brought out hundreds of protesters Thursday to mark the 10th anniversary of the Afghanistan War.
About one thousand people gather and form a large "99%" in the middle of Freedom Plaza during an "occupation" of the plaza October 6, 2011 in Washington, DC. Inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement that began last month in New York, large and small occupations have sprung up in cities across the country. (Photograph by: Chip Somodevilla, Getty Images) On Freedom Square, sign-carrying demonstrators banged drums, sang and cheered a series of fiery speeches by anti-war activists, who decried the federal government's continued funding of the Afghan and Iraqi wars while calling for cuts to social programs for the elderly, poor and people with disabilities

Demonstrators Protest Wars, Wall Street in Nation's Capital | Common Dreams



No offense, but about bloody time.!!! One can only presume that it is determined by the "readiness factor." Certainly bears watching to see if the mometum holds.
 

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The best "Occupy Wallstreet" analysis I've read so far.

October 7, 2011

By Shah Gilani, Capital Waves Strategist



Dear Occupy Wall Street Demonstrators,

Let me start by saying that I applaud your initiative. Grassroots protests are the essence of democracy. And as we've seen with the Tea Party movement and the Arab Spring, nonviolent protests are a powerful way to effect meaningful change.

Yet even though I'm 100% behind you in spirit, I can't fully support your cause.

Don't get me wrong, I want to join you. But I can't - not yet, anyway.

And the reason why I can't support your ultimate goals is a simple one: I don't know what they are.

So how about this? I'm going to tell you what I stand for. I'm going to tell you what my goals are. And if you agree, then we can stand together. And i f you agree with me, I won't wait another minute before joining you whenever and wherever I'm needed.

So here it goes.

The reason I'm already leaning towards your side is that the fountainhead of your disgust seems to be "Wall Street."

Now, I don't know what Wall Street means to you. But to me, it means all the crony capitalists and market manipulators whose calculators and spreadsheets say the present value of their self-serving greed is worth discounting all of America's future.

That's the Wall Street that I'm committed to fighting - the Wall Street that's littered with greed and corruption.

But to me, the "Wall Street" we're fighting against is not synonymous with capitalists. The enemy we share doesn't include the entrepreneurs and self-starters that have built this country up brick by brick.

So if you think socialism is better than capitalism, you can count me out. If you think that redistributing earned income from hard working Americans to support lazy, self-indulgent, able-bodied crybabies is fair, count me out. If you think that making a lot of money, fairly and honestly, is un-American, count me out. And, if you're thinking about violence or destroying other people's property, count me out.

But if you're mad that Wall Street money has bought our Congress; if you're mad that there's an oligarchy of banker puppeteers pulling the strings of the U.S. Federal Reserve; if you're mad that Wall Street is hell-bent on toying with the stock market and turning the screws on fixed-income investors, parents, and retirees to expand their profit margins; and, if you are mad that "too-big-to-fail" banks can wreck the economy and get bailed out, only to become bigger bullies while tens of millions of Americans lose their homes, jobs, and retirement savings, then I am solidly with you.

And, if you're with me, we agree that we need to tear down Wall Street to rebuild Main Street!

That's where we stand, hopefully united.

Now let me offer up a list - a manifesto, if you will - that you may or may not choose to adopt. But remember, I'm not trying to hijack your movement. I just want to offer some vision and clarity.






So these are the goals I'd like for us all, as fed-up Americans, to undertake:







  1. Break up too-big-to-fail banks so they aren't threatening our financial system .
  2. Investigate failed banks for fraud, and indict and incarcerate guilty parties.
  3. Scale banker bonuses progressively with long-vesting stock options.
  4. Legislate pay claw-back provisions and criminal statutes for bad banker behavior.
  5. Eliminate volatility-inducing high-frequency-trading and ETF program arbitrage.
  6. Make all derivatives exchange traded, highly margined, and transparent.
  7. Limit credit default swaps to two times the value of at-risk underlying credits.
  8. Mandate exhaustive studies of the potential market impact of newly created financial products.
  9. Create simple, effective, light-touch regulations with heavy criminal penalties .
  10. Cap Wall Street's political contributions and make them transparent.
  11. Audit the Federal Reserve and limit its lending to domestic banking institutions.
  12. Give the Consumer Protection Finance Bureau (CPFB) criminal indictment powers, including over the Federal Reserve.
  13. Make Wall Street answer to the needs of Main Street, not the other way around.
Please don't get me wrong. It's not that there aren't plenty of other things in the United States that need fixing. I think we'd all agree we need to simplify and "fairify" the tax code, if not throw it out altogether. But, your movement is Occupy Wall Street, so let's stick to that.

There's one last thing. I'm certain that with thousands of supporters you'll find a broad spectrum of ideas and beliefs. That we may be united in belief does not necessarily mean we are all alike .

Take me, for example. In some ways, I am a "Wall Street" guy, and in other ways I am one of the 99% you claim to represent. I want an opportunity to make a good living, honestly and fairly. But, like all of you, like all of America, I am sick and tired of the powerful, moneyed oligarchy that runs America profiteering off the backs of hard working Americans.

That's why we need strong, transparent and fair capital markets and honest, smart leaders. The two aren't incompatible.

So what I'm saying is that I'm ready to join your revolution, if you're ready to accept a Wall Street insider who's determined to restore the system's integrity - not destroy it.

And that's why you're going to hear more from me every week, as I call Wall Street's biggest players onto the carpet. And I can promise you this: Some of the indictments I make are going to shock you.

Sincerely,

Shah Gilani
 

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Dear Occupiers if you really want change the world follow these easy steps.

Step I Educate yourself
Step II Join a Financial Institution

Hey! where are you going? I haven't even started on Step III
 

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[FONT=ARIAL,VERDANA,HELVETICA][SIZE=+7]'Occupy Tampa' protesters crowd park, then go home to sleep

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[/SIZE][/FONT]TAMPA — Behind a kid with blue hair, in front of an old guy in tie-dye and overalls, walked a man named Dale Smrekar. He wore a button-down shirt, tie and name tag specifying his profession: estate liquidator.
This wasn't his usual crowd.
But Smrekar said he's fed up — by big corporate profits, by a shrinking middle class, by college graduates with huge debts and few job prospects. So he decided to join a Thursday afternoon protest march of nearly 600 people through downtown.
"The banks got bailed out, and the people got screwed," said Smrekar, 61, of Tampa. "It seems like the American dream is fading away very quickly."
Occupy Tampa, a spin-off of the ongoing New York City demonstrations called Occupy Wall Street, organized its largest event on Thursday. Similar solidarity demonstrations are popping up in other cities.
The Tampa group gathered in Lykes Gaslight Square, where demonstrators held "workshops" on strategies and waved signs ranging from "Being Greedy is not the Key to Goodness" to "Don't Pepper Spray Me, Bro."
They borrowed heavily from their New York counterparts, including a lack of specific demands. But the gist is that the country is being controlled by the wealthiest Americans — the 1 percent — to the detriment of everyone else. Hence, their slogan, "We are the 99 percent!"




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'Occupy Tampa' protesters decide against overnight stay in park, vow to return - St. Petersburg Times
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

Demonstrators Protest Wars, Wall Street in Nation's Capital

by Tony Pugh
WASHINGTON — A sun-soaked noon rally within blocks of the White House brought out hundreds of protesters Thursday to mark the 10th anniversary of the Afghanistan War.
About one thousand people gather and form a large "99%" in the middle of Freedom Plaza during an "occupation" of the plaza October 6, 2011 in Washington, DC. Inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement that began last month in New York, large and small occupations have sprung up in cities across the country. (Photograph by: Chip Somodevilla, Getty Images) On Freedom Square, sign-carrying demonstrators banged drums, sang and cheered a series of fiery speeches by anti-war activists, who decried the federal government's continued funding of the Afghan and Iraqi wars while calling for cuts to social programs for the elderly, poor and people with disabilities

Demonstrators Protest Wars, Wall Street in Nation's Capital | Common Dreams



No offense, but about bloody time.!!! One can only presume that it is determined by the "readiness factor." Certainly bears watching to see if the mometum holds.

We already have a Thread on this Topic.
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

This thread is intended to cover more than just the wall street issue. Ergo , the more generalized topic title. From what I see, the other thread suggests failure in protesting / wall street occupation. Different tone , and more limited in scope.

but thanks for mentioning it.
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

This thread is intended to cover more than just the wall street issue. Ergo , the more generalized topic title. From what I see, the other thread suggests failure in protesting / wall street occupation. Different tone , and more limited in scope.

but thanks for mentioning it.

I thought that both were the same. I have not read the other thread - My mistake.
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

This thread is intended to cover more than just the wall street issue. Ergo , the more generalized topic title. From what I see, the other thread suggests failure in protesting / wall street occupation. Different tone , and more limited in scope.

but thanks for mentioning it.

Translation:The other thread doesn't bash the US to my satisfation...:smile:
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

Gosh... How many threads are we going to have on this topic!?

Are we going to have the whole forum spammed by Occupy Wall St. threads like we used to have 9/11 threads?

What are you going to do Breezy... spam this forum as if this was an "Occupy Canadian Content" movement?
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

That's what I was thinking. The Mods should definitely merge these threads to avoid oversaturation.
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

I'm going to see if they can merge this into the other Occupy Wall St thread. New threads on the same topic amounts to spam.
 

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Re: USA: waking up and protesting it's Plight

Seems to me a Wall Street protest and an anti-war protest are two different things, but continue to bash OB if it gets you off.
 

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