Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Now herein lies the problem.
Perhaps you would like to go back and take a look at the posts in this thread before you start accusing the wrong side of the debate of stupidity.
This attitude is common among the anti-gunners, but you doubt any of them "foam at the mouth". You've never seen Wendy Cukier after she loses a debate with the late David Tomlinson, once president of the NFA.
The depiction of gun owners as hicks, morons, dimwits barely able to feed themselves and lusting for the opportunity to do a "Deliverance" on decent, unsuspecting liberal urbanites is unfortunately an extremely effective piece of propaganda promoted in the media (especially in films) by the liberal types that run same.
The last moose hunt I was on included four men.
Two PhDs in History, full professors at UNB.
One Master's, in English, the author of a successful tome on a famous poet.
Me, with two undergraduate degrees.
That is 10 degrees among 4 men. Yep, complete rubes.
Don't miss the post below on the relationship between world firearms ownership and murder rates...
Your education continues......
BTW, NONE had registered all their guns.
Now herein lies the problem.
Perhaps you would like to go back and take a look at the posts in this thread before you start accusing the wrong side of the debate of stupidity.
This attitude is common among the anti-gunners, but you doubt any of them "foam at the mouth". You've never seen Wendy Cukier after she loses a debate with the late David Tomlinson, once president of the NFA.
The depiction of gun owners as hicks, morons, dimwits barely able to feed themselves and lusting for the opportunity to do a "Deliverance" on decent, unsuspecting liberal urbanites is unfortunately an extremely effective piece of propaganda promoted in the media (especially in films) by the liberal types that run same.
The last moose hunt I was on included four men.
Two PhDs in History, full professors at UNB.
One Master's, in English, the author of a successful tome on a famous poet.
Me, with two undergraduate degrees.
That is 10 degrees among 4 men. Yep, complete rubes.
Don't miss the post below on the relationship between world firearms ownership and murder rates...
Your education continues......
BTW, NONE had registered all their guns.
I don't need you to educate me on anything. It may surprise you but I also own firearms; I just don't think that everyone who has them should have them or that they be so easily available. From what I can make of your post you are proving my point. Anyone who is hiding the number of firearms in his possession should probably not be allowed to own any firearms.
As for the level of education of those you know who own guns; their educational level is meaningless. I could just as easily list the educational level of gun wielding criminals to make a similar point and I would have a much easier time finding such types than those with post-secondary degrees.
Your point about the media depicting gun owners as less than intelligent overlooks the fact that in almost every film involving a shoot out it is the gun toting good guy that saves the day. In fact I would go so far as to say that gun use is actually promoted by the so-called liberal media rather than the other way around.
But here is a question for you. Why is it that if firearms work so well as a deterrent to crime that the United States does not have the world's lowest crime rate?
I'm sorry, Colpy, but the numbers simply do not support the assertions made by the pro-gun lobby. Find me some numbers that prove that almost uncontrolled firearm possession doesn't cause more problems than it solves and I will wholeheartedly agree with you.
BTW I didn't accuse anyone of stupidity - but I was a bit annoyed by the fact that Ironsides seemed to deliberately misinterpret my comment about the US murder rate compared to that of Canada. I wonder if he even bothered to check the actual number of gun deaths in the US compared to that of Canada. I did.
The difference between Detroit and Windsor re murder rates.........Windsor murder free for two years, Detroit ...one a day over the same period.
Detroit has about 375,000 population which includes 1/2 the total in Michigan, Windsor proper has 235,00 but only 2% of the population of Ontario. Windsor morphs into the heavily populated Ont,Que corridor. Are we supposed to believe, the American side simply spawns a lot more killers just across the bridge??. That guns and drugs are just non-issues and 700 plus killers on the US side is merely the difference between Canadian & American tendencies towards violence ??
Detroit has about 375,000 population which includes 1/2 the total in Michigan, Windsor proper has 235,00 but only 2% of the population of Ontario. Windsor morphs into the heavily populated Ont,Que corridor. Are we supposed to believe, the American side simply spawns a lot more killers just across the bridge??. That guns and drugs are just non-issues and 700 plus killers on the US side is merely the difference between Canadian & American tendencies towards violence ??
I'm pretty sure Detroit and environs has close to 2 million and Michigan has about 8 million!
Detroit has become one huge inner city ruled by drugs, gangs and desperation.
Ghetto Gallery | DetroitIsCrap.com
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/detr-s02.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21870766/#.TpBvvrLO1vM
You are actually proving my point.
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Ontario has 13 million most of which are located along the US border. Michigan has 10 million most of which also located along that same border. That doesn't change the 2 years murder free and 1 a day over a bridge.
So, the inner cities have not been created because of the gun and drug culture, but simply because hoodlums just enjoy living in city slums??? Geez, I luv such thinking, so logical and simplistic. Hell, that's like saying crime exists because people enjoy residing in prisons.
So, the inner cities have not been created because of the gun and drug culture, but simply because hoodlums just enjoy living in city slums??? Geez, I luv such thinking, so logical and simplistic. Hell, that's like saying crime exists because people enjoy residing in prisons.
If you're going to use numbers, use ones that you don't pull out of your arse. The state of Michigan has a population of 9,883,640 per the 2010 census. The city of Detroit (not including suburbs) has a population of 871,121 (also from the 2010 census). Both are shrinking but are no where in the same realm of what was posted.
Google and a couple minutes of browsing can find you sites like Detroit (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
And the difference between 9,888,000 plus is different from 10,000,000 by how much?? This is the state population not Detroit and environs. Windsor stats do not include environs. The stats I took were those comparing both places.
So, I assume the difference in 700 plus killings to none are just because of the population differences in your mind??? hmmm....very far seeing.
The tactic of attacking numbers do not change the conclusions in my opinion. The availabity of guns has a major influence on the number of deaths.
So, I assume the difference in 700 plus killings to none are just because of the population differences in your mind??? hmmm....very far seeing.
The tactic of attacking numbers do not change the conclusions in my opinion. The availabity of guns has a major influence on the number of deaths.
So, go down to post 1540, look at the links, and explain to me the following:
Why are three of the most heavily armed nations on earth among the 20 safest nations on earth?????
Why the nation with the highest murder rate in the top ten gun-owning nations (Iraq) come seventy-fourth on the list of murder rates?
The United States has by far the highest rate of private gun ownership on earth. Explain, please, why there are 89 nations on earth with higher murder rates??? While you are at it, explain why the US rate of 5.0 per 100,000 is so much lower than the World average of 6.9 per 100,000????
In fact, if you consider only the rate of gun ownership compared to murder rates.........a higher rate of firearms ownership correlates quite neatly with LOWER murder rates........
But that would ignore all other factors, and I would not pretend to consider such a thing valid.
What the facts do prove is that there is simply no relationship between levels of firearms ownership and murder rates.
NONE.
So we should come down on the side of Liberty and our constitutional heritage and ease up on gun laws.
LOL My good grief, I certainly do not feel safer living in my home in Florida than I do living in the one in Quebec. I assume the US is one of those heavily armed countries you are referring to?? In fact for many years, New Years Eve down there, was extremely hazardous because those owning guns in a primarily residential region would fire them into the air come midnight. There have been deaths, and woundings during the more than 25 years I lived there. Those bullets have a nasty habit of coming down and killing people in their beds.
8775 deaths in 2010 in the US (without incl.Florida or Illinois) is meaningless if one happens to be one of the dead. Is South Africa, Colombia and Costa Rica considered safer than the US?? I have been to two out of the three places and I did not find them safer nor more civilized than Canada. They seem to be amongst those most heavily armed since they have higher body count, right up there with the US.
Liberty or constitional heritage be damned. More individual rights and improvements have been won through passive resistence & civil disobedience than armed conflict. I suspect, that the revolution in the cyber world will end up being even more effective in the long run. Violence and the macho notion of guns being the best way to produce a decent, safe world is passe.
8775 deaths in 2010 in the US (without incl.Florida or Illinois) is meaningless if one happens to be one of the dead. Is South Africa, Colombia and Costa Rica considered safer than the US?? I have been to two out of the three places and I did not find them safer nor more civilized than Canada. They seem to be amongst those most heavily armed since they have higher body count, right up there with the US.
Liberty or constitional heritage be damned. More individual rights and improvements have been won through passive resistence & civil disobedience than armed conflict. I suspect, that the revolution in the cyber world will end up being even more effective in the long run. Violence and the macho notion of guns being the best way to produce a decent, safe world is passe.
I gave you the links for both gun ownership and murder rates in post 1540.
Please do your own research.
BTW, how the hell do you figure gun ownership leads to ghettoes????
Now there is a leap in logic!
I don't.... you seem to........after all you were the one blaming the high death rate due to firearms on the ghettoes and not on the guns and drugs. I simply pointed out the difference between one side of the river and the other......remember 700 murders to none!! Gun registry and none!!
A better comparison is Detroit and Toronto. Although Toronto is about twice the size of Detroit it has a murder rate of only 2 per 100,000 compared to Detroit's rate of 34 per 100,000.
One serious problem with gun ownership which no one here has addressed is that those who advocate gun owndership do so as if it were a basic democratic right like freedom of speech or the right to vote. This is something that gun ownership should never be given that fact that many citizens are completely unqualified when it comes to owning firearms. It is quite ridiculous to require citizens to have to qualify to drive a car, but not have any requirement to own a firearm. Canada is on the right track with its FAC, but many American states require nothing more than a desire to own a firearm. With such a lax attitude in regard to firearm ownership it is hardly surprising that firearms are so frequently misused in the United States. The American founding fathers apparently thought it appropriate to allow all citizens to bear arms, but I very much doubt they would have approved of the sale of firearms to the mentally unstable or known criminals.
Looking at the highest murder rate city in the US and comparing it with Toronto or Windsor without comparing the demographics is plain silly.
heheh.. I missed that one mine was grandfathered to a PAL (Possession Aquisition Licence) sometimes near the end of '98:smile:
No doubt............I'm not aware of the demographics of either city, but from what I see on the news about all the shootings in Toronto it's hard to believe Detroit could be much worse. (but then I don't watch the U.S. news too much)