Sure I understand... Do you understand that the RCC doesn't transfer each and every priest to Paraguay when there is the same accusation? Most get moved to another location in that same country... Get it?
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Sure I understand... Do you understand that the RCC doesn't transfer each and every priest to Paraguay when there is the same accusation? Most get moved to another location in that same country... Get it?
Well, they are in many ways. It keeps my parish, as an example, from being held over a barrel for something illegal gerry's parish did. It gives each region the ability to make decisions according to their need, not necessarily according to church rule. For example, my parish was told to close down half its churches 13 years ago, and is only now conceding that it has to. Just because we are told to do something doesn't mean we are beholden to the church to do it.
yeah but not every case of sexual abuse or accusation has amounted to a cover up. Many get transferred, but that doesn't necessarily make it a cover up. I'm talking about clear cut cover ups and impeding investigations
When the Church transfers a Priest for complaints of Child Abuse - that is a cover up - Why was it not reported to the Police.
Ah, two different things. Failure to report and a transfer are not synonymous. Some are transfered AND the appropriate report is made and it's investigated.
Understood, but happen it does...
I am not here to beat up on teachers or debate the finer legal points of what ought to be. In the end, the bottom-line is that we all want to see that the perpetrators are identified and severely punished, I think that we can agree on that.
All I am saying is that the focus in this debate is being 'customized' to fit only the RCC and that does nothing for those people that were/are abused by any other person representing any other group/profession. That said, if you want to seize or bankrupt an organization that is deemed to be, accused of, or suspected of aiding; a pedophile, be prepared to have that very same mechanism applied to the employer/controlling body that they work for or represent.
Read my first post in this thread.
You know, not all priests are pedos or cover up for pedos. There are priests and nuns and lay persons who follow the letter of the law and report allegations to social services or the police. And that's not even getting into the fact that most parishoners in Canada don't listen like the sheep people think they are, and are likely to take the accusation to the police first, the church second.
Exactly what I was trying to say before....all these cover-ups and not only in the church happened years ago...now the church has caught up with the times.
Not one person i know on this thread ever stated tat all RC`Clergy are Pedos, not stated that parishioners are sheep. They have one common thread - The Vatican still to this very day covers up and protects child rapists. No other reasonable way of looking at it. The evidence is there - Country after country - Multiple statements by some who were even found to be child molesters and protected as such, were speaking on behalf of the Church. And his superiors were aware of his child molestation.
Read the link that I posted- that is just one case - The Vatican has for decades stated that child molestation would not be tolerated.
Facts are it is.
Well... yes and no. They've caught up moving forward but they do still have some priests that they've helped flee, and they still have some sitting in the Vatican that they know are wanted for trial, but they refuse to hand over. They still have some catching up to do to be totally above board.
Now we're going to start talking around in circles... I said that not every transfer is left uninvestigated, you asked who investigates, and implied that the church is the only one to ever investigate these issues. I explained that no they're not.
I know what the church currently does. I know the crimes they have committed. But, not ALL of it has always gone that way.
Catching up is not possible - The Church has to do a house cleaning. Yet the claim they do and another case comes along, they make the same claim.
Facts are the RCC has and does protect pedophiles from prosecution.
You may want to look into the independence of the ICC from the UN. Then how the UNSC defers to the ICC. Then take a look at the difference in the situations. Then read the ICC's mandate and how they became involved in Libya.
Then ask the UNSC as to why they haven't deferred to the ICC on China's issues, if you think they are in the same league as Libya's.
The ICC is being blamed for the UNSC's issues.
I'm not excusing China, before anyone decides to jump on that.
Again, you have to ask the UNSC.
Only in the myopic minds of morons.
Because the institution, whole or in part, acted in concert to hide, hinder and protect, people within its folds, from prosecution.
Do you put money in the collection plate?
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The reason it may seem this is being "customized to only the RCC" is because thats where the thread started. My statements were not exclusive to the Roman Catholic Church on any other body: my statement about the removal of tax exempt status would only apply to non-profit entities, be they religious based or some other charity. As for the rest, it already exists: if someone uses the resources of a private firm to cover up a crime, those resources can be siezed and the company can be held to account. It even goes to the point that if you as an employee of a corporate entity commit a wrongdoing, your superivsor(s) can be held to account for not providing proper supervision, if the court feels that there was not enough oversight on your activities... the laws exist to do that. Its more precedents are primarily in violations of environmental statutes, and most of the applicationhas been to civil rather than criminal matters, but they are there and can be applied elsewhere as needed.
Don't get me wrong and interpret my input as some form of defense of the RCC for the role that they played in this horrific story.
My sole point is that all groups must be treated equally, and severely.
I agree but right now, they are not: we don't have real penalties in place for non-profit organizations, and churches in particular, who try to frustrate lawful authorities in seeking justice for criminal acts, while we do have them in place for private enterprises.
And the Boy Scouts got in trouble diffferent than the Church in what ways? Can we seize their badges?
Sexual abuse scandal rocks Boy Scouts of America after $18.5m payout
Organisation accused of cover-up as it seeks to keep thousands of 'perversion files' secret
Sexual abuse scandal rocks Boy Scouts of America after $18.5m payout | World news | The Guardian
The RCC has been paying out large sums to the victims (those that take their complaint to court).. When was the last time that a local school board was forced to pay millions for the egregious acts of one of its teachers?
This is the inequality that I am talking about... Either we hold the individual AND their organization responsible, or just the individual. There can not be 2 sets of rules in place and 2 sets of penalties just 'cause the various groups operate in different systems.