Several dead, many wounded in bus attack in Israel

[AbtFet]

Nope, just because some human rights organization says it's illegal, doesn't mean it is. Show a court case, a criminal charge, a conviction. Or are you one of these people that believe you are guilty untill proven innocent?

You think using white phosphorous in a populated area is legal then?

 

[gerryh]

You think using white phosphorous in a populated area is legal then?

Answer the question, and prove your contentions. The above is not an answer to the question.

 

[Goober]

You think using white phosphorous in a populated area is legal then?

Do you think wiping out all Jews is legal -

You think using white phosphorous in a populated area is legal then?

Not a word from you on Assad when he shelled a Palestinian refugee camp? Why is that?

 

[AbtFet]

Nope, just because some human rights organization says it's illegal, doesn't mean it is. Show a court case, a criminal charge, a conviction. Or are you one of these people that believe you are guilty untill proven innocent?

The government gets away with many illegal activities, because there may not be a court case means it's not illegal?
The entire Bush administration committed crimes they should probably be lynched for yet they aren't even being tried. Doesn't mean that it was legal then.

 

[lone wolf]

It's easier to go ballz-out and just do it, then apologize later (if you're cornered) than it is to go through the process of getting approval - no matter who you are.

 

[gerryh]

The government gets away with many illegal activities, because there may not be a court case means it's not illegal?
The entire Bush administration committed crimes they should probably be lynched for yet they aren't even being tried. Doesn't mean that it was legal then.

You still haven't proven your contentions, and at this point in time, I will have to say I don't think you are capable of proving your contentions. Even though the phosphorous charge IS very provable. It's so sad.

 

[CDNBear]

Just a little appropriate tunage to go along with the usual antics of the usual suspects...

carousel music ride - YouTube

 

[Colpy]

Human Rights Watch said its experts in the region had witnessed the use of white phosphorus. Kenneth Roth, the organisation's executive director, added: "This is a chemical compound that burns structures and burns people. It should not be used in populated areas."[32]

Hamas only should go if the people want them to go. If the people approve of them, they're clearly helping the community and should stay. If they are not popular with the Gazans they should step down for the betterment of Gaza.
I'm unsure of how popular they are in Gaza, I do know there is a lot of propaganda about Hamas that bigot morons love to lap up as actual facts.

As to the first point, exactly when did Kenneth Roth get promoted from some HR geek to Emperor of the World, in that he can declare things legal or illegal??????

He didn't. I never said WP was not used, I said it was not ILLEGAL. It can be used for target marker, and as smoke cover to mask the movement of troops from enemy fire.....or as a weapon.

let me say it again...WP IS NOT ILLEGAL.

The simple fact (not pretty much a fact, but a real FACT) of Operation Cast Lead is that Hamas admits that the IDF killed enough of its militants to cripple their military wing (thus the two year truce). At least one half of the dead were militants.

Now, look it up, because I am tired of posting the link over and over for people who seemingly can not read, or choose not to: in modern warfare, the AVERAGE number of deaths
is TEN civilians for every combatant killed. In Operation Cast Lead, the IDF attacked Hamas, which admits to using civilians as human shields.........and achieved a ratio of one militant for every civilian killed.....and that in the most densely populated area on earth.

Feel free to check out my facts, I've posted the admissions of Hamas, and the technical data on casualties over and over.....the only sources being Palestinan human rights orgs, the Red Cross, and Hamas.....so it ain't Israeli propaganda.

What it MEANS is (I'll spell it out for you, as I doubt your personal cognitive abilities) is that Israel took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties........that WP was used not against civilians, but for marking, concealment and against militants, and ultimately, that charges of war crimes are ludicrous.....

As for your second point, the Palestinians elected Hamas as majority party with 44% of the votes in January of 2006 for a four year term.

We won't know until the next election whether or not they are popular. I actually doubt it.....but a survey shows 73% of Palestinians wanted all Jews exterminated, so who knows????

6 in 10 Palestinians reject 2-sta... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Their government has been ILLEGITIMATE since January of 2010.

 

[AbtFet]

As to the first point, exactly when did Kenneth Roth get promoted from some HR geek to Emperor of the World, in that he can declare things legal or illegal??????

He didn't. I never said WP was not used, I said it was not ILLEGAL. It can be used for target market, and as smoke cover to mask the movement of troops from enemy fire.

The simple fact (not pretty much a fact, but a real FACT) of Operation Cast Lead is that Hamas admits that the IDF killed enough of its militants to cripple their military wing (thus the two year truce). At least one half of the dead were militants.

Now, look it up, because I am tired of posting the link for idiots such as yourself: in modern warfare, the AVERAGE number of deaths
is TEN civilians for every combatant killed. In Operation Cast Lead, the IDF attacked Hamas, which admits to using civilians as human shields.........and achieved a ratio of one militant for every civilian killed.....and that in the most densely populated area on earth.

Feel free to check out my facts, I've posted the admissions of Hamas, and the technical data on casualties over and over.....the only sources being Palestinan human rights orgs, the Red Cross, and Hamas.....so it ain't Israeli propaganda.

What it MEANS is (I'll spell it out for you, as I doubt your personal cognitive abilities) is that Israel took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties........that WP was used not against civilians, but for marking, concealment and against militants, and ultimately, that charges of war crimes are ludicrous.....

As for your second point, the Palestinians elected Hamas as majority party with 44% of the votes in January of 2006 for a four year term.

We won't know until the next election whether or not they are popular. I actually doubt it.....but a survey shows 73% of Palestinians wanted all Jews exterminated, so who knows????

6 in 10 Palestinians reject 2-sta... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Their government has been ILLEGITIMATE since January of 2010.

I stopped reading after the few sentences made it clear you aren't understanding what I've been saying clearly.
You also seem to be under the impression that using white phosphorous is legal to use in populated areas.

 

[CDNBear]

I don't typically weigh in on these threads because I'd rather beat my head against a brick wall, that would be a more constructive use of time. But this phrase, commonly used by far too many here, tends to really tick me off.



Allow me to illustrate how to read for you.

"GENEVA — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally."

An investigation was undertaken and the investigative body found no conclusive or even suggestive evidence of improper or illegal use.

"The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using white phosphorus, which ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries."

The accusation involves the use of white phosphorus and an explanation is provided on the effects of white phosphorus on the human body.

"The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise "extreme caution" in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization's mines-arms unit."

The International Committee of the Red Cross is acknowledging the purpose for which white phosphorus is intended to be used and further urges extreme caution in it's use due to the extremely harmful effects this product has on people.

" "In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used," Herby told The Associated Press. "But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way." "

Again, evidence of use was found but no evidence suggesting misappropriate use was found.

"In response, the Israeli military said Tuesday that it "wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics.""

This is a quote of an official statement regarding compliance with international law.

"Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk"

The spokesman for the International Red Cross is confirming the legitimate use of phosphorus under international law and restating that there was no evidence that it was being used intentionally in a way that contravenes said international law.

"However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. Israel says the operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border."

The spokesman for the International Red Cross is acknowledging that the investigation may not be complete due to access issues. The writer is paraphrasing what appear to be offical statements from both sides in the conflict.

"Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical is suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies."

This is the accusation, restated.

"White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon."

This is a statement.

An accusation was made, an investigation was undertaken, no evidence was found in support of the accusation, there was acknowledgement that not all potential evidence was examined, but based on the evidence obtained the conclusion was no illegal use was found to have taken place.

That is how you read that article.

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This is how not to read an article.



This is called supposition. The act of supposing. Something that is supposed, assumed, hypothesis.
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled bashing.

I love you!!!!!!!

You also seem to be under the impression that using white phosphorous is legal to use in populated areas.

Please supply the law that states that.

 

[AbtFet]

You're spewing the same false garbage again that Israel tries to prevent as many civilian casualties as possible which is so false it makes me head hurt.
The amount of civilian deaths on Palestinian side to the Israeli side doesn't even compare.
As well, if you're trying to prevent civilian causalities you don't use white phosphorous in populated areas.

 

[CDNBear]

You're spewing the same false garbage again that Israel tries to prevent as many civilian casualties as possible which is so false it makes me head hurt.

It makes your head hurt, because truth hurts.

The amount of civilian deaths on Palestinian side to the Israeli side doesn't even compare.

So?

As well, if you're trying to prevent civilian causalities you don't use white phosphorous in populated areas.

Says who?

 

[Colpy]

I stopped reading after the few sentences made it clear you aren't understanding what I've been saying clearly.
You also seem to be under the impression that using white phosphorous is legal to use in populated areas.

White Phosphorus is LEGAL....in any area.......

I get such a giggle out of you deluded morons........

Oh, the war in Iraq is ILLEGAL!!!!

Oh the war in Afghanistan is ILLEGAL.

Oh, the Israeli blockade of Gaza is ILLEGAL.

Oh the use of WP is ILLEGAL..........

None of which is correct. Except in your delusions.....perhaps of grandeur, in that you think crying out something is illegal makes it so.....

Secondly, who cares????

International Law is a bad joke.

Nice of you to stop reading.....that must be how you reached the level of ignorance you so proudly hold...lol.

Well, they say ignorance is bliss.....you must be a happy, happy guy....

 

[AbtFet]

It makes your head hurt, because truth hurts.

So?

Says who?

Israel has shown reckless behaviour during war, civilian deaths are irrelevant to them. To claim Hamas genocidal is hypocritical of the pro-Israel side.

White Phosphorus is LEGAL....in any area.......

I get such a giggle out of you deluded morons........

Oh, the war in Iraq is ILLEGAL!!!!

Oh the war in Afghanistan is ILLEGAL.

Oh, the Israeli blockade of Gaza is ILLEGAL.

Oh the use of WP is ILLEGAL..........

None of which is correct. Except in your delusions.....perhaps of grandeur, in that you think crying out something is illegal makes it so.....

Secondly, who cares????

International Law is a bad joke.

Nice of you to stop reading.....that must be how you reached the level of ignorance you so proudly hold...lol.

Well, they say ignorance is bliss.....you must be a happy, happy guy....

I think you're a bad joke :lol:

If you support the use of white phosphorous in populated areas you can **** right off, you're a genocidal maniac.

 

[CDNBear]

Israel has shown reckless behaviour during war, civilian deaths are irrelevant to them. To claim Hamas genocidal is hypocritical of the pro-Israel side.

No it isn't, it's a matter of fact. It's clearly stated in their charter.

Have you found the law that says using wp in an urban area is illegal yet?

 

[AbtFet]

No it isn't, it's a matter of fact. It's clearly stated in their charter.

Have you found the law that says using wp in an urban area is illegal yet?

So Hamas has it written but Israel does it in practice. I wonder which is worse.

The United States has accused Taliban militants of using white phosphorus weapons illegally on at least 44 occasions.[55]

Apparently when the Taliban uses it , it's illegal :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

So Hamas has it written but Israel does it in practice. I wonder which is worse.

Both. I don't play the silly scale game. It's weak and silly.

Have you found the law that states wp is illegal to use in a populated area yet?

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[EagleSmack]

If you support the use of white phosphorous in populated areas you can **** right off, you're a genocidal maniac.

Whereas as the extermination of Israel is not genocidal?

 

[AbtFet]

Whereas as the extermination of Israel is not genocidal?

Did Hamas send jets over Israel and start bombing the **** out of everyone indiscriminately?