Several dead, many wounded in bus attack in Israel

[mentalfloss]

Dude, you are the one that stretched it too far by suggesting that it was a possibility that the Israelis did it to themselves and that an investigation with the results published for all to see was needed before the response.

Look, I'm still new to this so I apologize if some statements are not the most well thought out. My only logic for why it was possibly Israelis was because of the recent protests. I was fully aware that it was an incredibly low probability.. and I even made mention that the artillery is a red flag for other suspects.

I've said this over and over and over again.

Please, can we let this go now?

 

[EagleSmack]

Look, I'm still new to this so I apologize if some statements are not the most well thought out. My only logic for why it was possibly Israelis was because of the recent protests. I was fully aware that it was an incredibly low probability.. and I even made mention that the artillery is a red flag for other suspects.

I've said this over and over and over again.

Please, can we let this go now?

Aww come on Mental! You aren't new to this. Seriously?

Yes, we can let this go.

 

[mentalfloss]

Aww come on Mental! You aren't new to this. Seriously?

Yes, we can let this go.

Thank you.

 

[Colpy]

He's not part of Hamas - he's Fatah isn't he?

Edit: ahh.. I see what you're saying now. I thought Palestine was still partly governed by Fatah, but it is Hamas now. So it's not Abbas calling the shots anymore.

Got it.

Well then this kind of settles it for me then. If there is any solution to this whole dilemma, it must come from within Palestine. Israelis will never be able to eradicate Hamas, but Fatah may be able to usurp them.

Ahhh...okay, you really don't know anything about Palestinian politics.........

Sorry, I thought you were baiting me.

Like in the USA, elections in Palestine elect a completely separate President and council. Abbas is Fatah........Arafat's old party. Hamas is the other major party.

The problem is that Fatah is incredibly, unrestrainedly, and viciously corrupt. Arafat stole billions (yes, with a "b") of dollars of aid money and put it in personal bank accounts. Nepotism was business as usual, with the upper echelons of Fatah getting rich at the expense of the masses.

Hamas, crazy as they are, are not known to steal money for the purposes of building mansions and private bank accounts, genocidal creeps they may be, but they are not usually money-greedy.....

So, in January of 2006, Hamas won 44% of the Congressional vote, making them the largest political party............and the Palestinian authority proceeded to tear itself apart.........

Fatah and Hamas happily kill each other.....Hamas, pushed somewhat by Fatah, seized absolute power in Gaza, and set out to butcher Fatah supporters.......

There has (obviously) been no election since.

Readers' Digest Condensed Version of PA politics....

 

[mentalfloss]

Something tells me that wasn't exactly how it went down, lol

 

[petros]

Hamas' last stand.

It's ultimately up to Israel as to who they wish to allow back into Palestine out of the hundreds of thousands of Christians and moderate Islamics living in Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria etc who could all vote this coming election in September if they were allowed to go home.

If the Christians were allowed to go home that alone would forever **** up Hamas and the likes.

It's all in Israel's hands.

 

[gerryh]

Something tells me that wasn't exactly how it went down, lol

Really? and what DOES that "something" tell you happened?

 

[petros]

I know why you all hate Muslims. al Gebra! Admit it.

 

[mentalfloss]

Really? and what DOES that "something" tell you happened?

it TELLS me that it MIGHT HAVE "been" a slightly different story.

 

[gerryh]

it TELLS me that it MIGHT HAVE "been" a slightly different story.

So, educate us, what IS the right story of Palestinian politics?

 

[EagleSmack]

I know why you all hate Muslims. al Gebra! Admit it.

I got it! Hilarious!

Al Gebra- Weapons of Math Instruction

 

[CDNBear]

Then you hired Bear to tear up this thread and I had to deal with 3 pages of bullied inquisition.

There's more of that sincerity.

If you don't want me to address you, don't beg for my attention.

And I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were so sensitive, that a couple of simple questions would be misinterpreted as an 'inquisition'.

Let me know when your balls drop, and I'll treat you like a man then.

 

[ironsides]

How come it is up to Israel to allow Palestinians back home, if memory serves me right Jordan and Lebanon through out quite a few and of course Lebanon is still having problems with them and the don't dare get Jordan mad at them again.

 

[Goober]

Look, I'm still new to this so I apologize if some statements are not the most well thought out. My only logic for why it was possibly Israelis was because of the recent protests. I was fully aware that it was an incredibly low probability.. and I even made mention that the artillery is a red flag for other suspects.

I've said this over and over and over again.

Please, can we let this go now?

Do you remember me asking you quite some time ago about your opinion on this very matter - Hamas and Hezbollah -

People will as they say " take you to school" old saying - when you mess up with a statement etc - Reason - it appears that you support both of these terror groups - Not saying you do, but that is an impression some may have. Rightly or wrongly.

Now asking why such a problem exists - or why Israel acts the way they do - same with both Hamas /Hezbollah/ Fatah - people will give you an honest opinion. After that it is only reasonable to educate yourself on this mess in the Mid East if you think the reply is erroneous.

An example would be the question I posed on a thread - Why does the west hold Israel to a higher standard of morality when we do not expect the same from the Arabs - Hamas- Hezbollah - Fatah included? That in itself speak to a racist behavior / belief by holding the Arabs at a lower scale of humanity than Israel, does it not?

 

[gerryh]

it TELLS me that it MIGHT HAVE "been" a slightly different story.

So, educate us, what IS the right story of Palestinian politics?

I'm still waiting for an answer to this mentalfloss.

 

[CDNBear]

Do you remember me asking you quite some time ago about your opinion on this very matter - Hamas and Hezbollah -

People will as they say " take you to school" old saying - when you mess up with a statement etc - Reason - it appears that you support both of these terror groups - Not saying you do, but that is an impression some may have. Rightly or wrongly.

Now asking why such a problem exists - or why Israel acts the way they do - same with both Hamas /Hezbollah/ Fatah - people will give you an honest opinion. After that it is only reasonable to educate yourself on this mess in the Mid East if you think the reply is erroneous.

An example would be the question I posed on a thread - Why does the west hold Israel to a higher standard of morality when we do not expect the same from the Arabs - Hamas- Hezbollah - Fatah included? That in itself speak to a racist behavior / belief by holding the Arabs at a lower scale of humanity than Israel, does it not?

Dude, mentalfloss has exposed himself to be unethical, deceitful and willing to lower himself to editing his posts to completely change his post, then attack you when you seemingly take it out of context, and removed content.

His fained inexperience is nothing more than a disingenuous ploy.

I'm still waiting for an answer to this mentalfloss.

Don't hold your breath, mentalfloss sees questions as a form of inquisition. And refuses to answer them.

But he does like obfuscation, deceit and unethical behavior.

 

[mentalfloss]

An example would be the question I posed on a thread - Why does the west hold Israel to a higher standard of morality when we do not expect the same from the Arabs - Hamas- Hezbollah - Fatah included? That in itself speak to a racist behavior / belief by holding the Arabs at a lower scale of humanity than Israel, does it not?

This is not an "Israel" thing. It's a hegemonic thing. The greater power always bears the greater burden.

 

[CDNBear]

This is not an "Israel" thing. It's a hegemonic thing. The greater power always bears the greater burden.

That's an opinion. Not a fact.

 

[mentalfloss]

I'm still waiting for an answer to this mentalfloss.

Let me google that for you

That's an opinion. Not a fact.

Yep. Feel free to disagree.

 

[CDNBear]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+story+of+palestineYep. Feel free to disagree.

I do. As I already stated.

And as has already been pointed out, your opinion has one big flaw. the written policy of extermination, within Hamas' charter.

That in and of itself, would clearly indicate to anyone capable of critical thought on the matter, that there is no means of peace. No matter what Israel does.