Not all Jews are Zionists
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Two antagonists getting their voice spread world wide is all part of the bigger issue.
The less antagonism and hatred are spread the less impact it can have.
You will, as long as the Jews paid their Jew-tax..........etc etc.
Oh, here it is, straight from the Koran. Argue with it....
Taste ye [Jews] the punishment of burning.[Surah III, v. 18 1]
"They [the Jews] are the heirs of Hell.... They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is clear from what they say ... When evil befalls you they rejoice." Ibid. [Surah 111, v. 117-120]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews.... And of their taking usury ... and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretenses. We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom.[Surah IV, v. 160, 161]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Allah hath cursed them [the Jews] for their disbelief.[Surah IV, v. 46[/FONT]
[/FONT] O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. [Surah V, v. 51]
The most vehement of mankind in hostility [are] the Jews and the idolators.[Surah V, v. 82]
Allah fighteth against them [the Jews]. How perverse they are![Surah IX, v. 30]
They [the Jews] spread evil in the land .... [Surah V, v. 62-66]
[The Jews] knowingly perverted [the word of Allah], know of nothing except lies ... commit evil and become engrossed in sin. [Surah II, v. 71-85]
Can I quote Jesus and his hatred for corrupt Jews from the Bible? What makes Mo any different than Jesus when it comes to corruption within Judaism? Does that make Jesus a bigot to all Jews or did he focus on the corrupt ones?
Then you too need to read some history.
Assimilation into larger non-Jewish populations has not worked out real well for the Jews.....for hundreds of years they were forcibly separated into ghettos (that is where the word came from), forced to pay extra taxes, and subjected to occasional bursts of Jew murder.
And the worst part of it, the culmination, came when European Jews had begun to really assimilate, to become a part of European culture, indistinguishable from other people........then they were subjected to the Holocaust.....
Over a thousand years of persecution and murder, culminating in the Holocaust......how stupid would you have to be to STAY in Europe.....?????
Personally, I find an open-mouthed, closed-minded Jew just as offensive as an open-mouthed, closed-minded Muslim, or an open-mouthed, closed-minded Christian, or an open-mouthed, closed-minded Right-winger, or an open-mouthed, closed-minded Left-winger, or a..... Get the drift?
Not all people are evil.
Not all Jews are evil; some of them, specially at the time of Prophet Moses, were obedient to God and devoted to Him alone without associate.
And at the time of Jesus, some of them believed him, and worked according to the first commandment and the other commandments of God.
And at the time of Prophet Mohammed, some of them converted like Abdullah son of Salam and his friends.
And it is narrated that a large number of them will convert in the time of the Awaited Mahdi (the Paraclite or Elia of the Last Days.)
(Not all of them [: Jews]are alike [in the work and words]: there is an upright group among the peopleof the Bible [lit. Scripture] who recite God's revelations [of the Quran]throughout the night, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
They [: those Jews who converted] believe in God [alone, without associating anything with Him] and the Last Day [: theDoomsday];
they bid righteousness, forbid indecency
and hasten to [do] charity[to the poor and needy];
such are [included] among the righteous [believers,but not among the disobedient Jews.]
Whatever righteousness they may do, surely [God] will not deny; for God knows best those who ward off [His disobedience; so We do not take into consideration the words of the Jews concerning such believers.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 3: 113-115
لَيْسُواْ سَوَاء مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ أُمَّةٌقَآئِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ آيَاتِ اللّهِ آنَاء اللَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ
يُؤْمِنُونَبِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَيَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَوْنَ عَنِالْمُنكَرِ وَيُسَارِعُونَ فِي الْخَيْرَاتِ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ مِنَ الصَّالِحِينَ
وَمَا يَفْعَلُواْ مِنْ خَيْرٍ فَلَن يُكْفَرُوْهُوَاللّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالْمُتَّقِينَ
تفسير سورة آل عمران
Historical context is important in this case. These passages have likely been written during times of conflict between Muslims and Jews.
If Jew hatred was so inherent in Islam like you think they wouldn't ever been peace amongst them, but clearly as history shows, there has been many cases where they have lived together peacefully.
There also quotes such as these in the Qur'an
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book (the Jews and Christians) are a portion that stand (for the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works. They are in the ranks of the righteous.
Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knoweth well those that do right.
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
(Of the people of Moses there was a party [: the prophets succeeded after Moses], who guided [their people] by the truth, and by it judged [opponents] with justice.)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 7: 159
وَمِن قَوْمِ مُوسَى أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ
Now I shall give you the explanation of these ayat of the Quran and the reason for their revealing to the Prophet:
Quran 3: 181
You only quoted the last part of the meaning of the aya 3: 181.
The reason for revealing this aya:
The Prophet wrote a message carried by Abu Bakr to the Jews of Qainuka inviting them to the Islam, so Abu Bakr went to their religious school and found them gathering around a man called Finhass.
Finhass asked Abu Bakr: Can Mohammed bring down fire from heaven to consume the sacrifice? [like Prophet Elia] because God ordered us not to believe unless we see this miracle.
Abu Bakr said: I don't know.
Finhass said: Recite to me some of the book of Mohammed.
Abu Bakr recited until he reached the aya in the chapter 2: 245 where God said:
مَّن ذَا الَّذِي يُقْرِضُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا فَيُضَاعِفَهُ لَهُ أَضْعَافًا كَثِيرَةً وَاللّهُ يَقْبِضُ وَيَبْسُطُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ
That means:
(Who is he that will lend to God a fair loan, and God will multiply itfor him manifold!? God [sometimes] gives little and [sometimes] gives much [sotake the opportunity and expend, in God's way, when you can.] And you [people]shall return to Him [after your death, when He will reward everyone accordingto his work and expenditure.])
Here Fihass laughed and said: Then God is poor: therefore He borrows from us!
The other Jews laughed also.
So Abu Bakr smote the face of Finhass and went out angrily.
Therefore this aya 3: 181 was revealed concerning those blaspheming Jews who reviled God.
لَّقَدْ سَمِعَ اللّهُ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ فَقِيرٌ وَنَحْنُ أَغْنِيَاء سَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَالُواْ وَقَتْلَهُمُ الأَنبِيَاء بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَنَقُولُ ذُوقُواْ عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ
The explanation:
(God has heard the saying of those [Jews] who said: "God is poor and we are rich [: that He borrows from us.]"
We shall write down what they have said [: Our angels shall write down their words of blasphemy], and their slaying the prophets without right, and We shall say [to them on the Day of Judgment]: "Taste the chastisement of the Burning [in Hell.] "
This [chastisement] shall [you suffer] according to [your unbelief, slaying of the prophets and the evil works] that your hands have forwarded [to your Afterlife] ––surely God is never unjust in dealing with His servants.)
For those who know Arabic, see more details here:
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The reason for revealing the aya 3: 118 - 120
A man among the believers allied with Jews apart from believers, so this aya was revealed to forbid Muslims from allying with them apart from believers:
The explanation:
(Believers, take not for your intimates those – other than yourselves [: other than your religious brothers] – who would spare no effort to ruin you; they wish much harm for you. Hatred [for you] is obvious from [the words of] their mouths, but that [hatred] hidden in their breasts is even greater. We have explained for you the signs [of revelation, to let you distinguish the friend from the enemy], if you realize [the consequences of allying with them, so abandon such alliance.]
So now, you [Muslims, make alliance and friendship with these Jews and] love them, whereas they love you not; and you believe in all the [Heavenly] Scriptures [whereas they believe not in your Book.] But when they fall in with you, they say:"We believe [in your religion and in your Book!]" And when they go privily alone, they bite their finger-tips in their rage concerning you. Say [OMohammed, to them]: "Perish with your rage; surely, God is All-Aware of [the hypocrisy and rage] that is hidden in the breasts [of such men, so He tells His messenger about that.]"
If a good fortune touches you, it grieves them; and if a misfortune befalls you, they rejoice therein. But if you forbear [their annoyance] and ward off [their friendship], their guile will never harm you; God is Well-Acquainted about all that they do.)
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These are the ayat 4: 160-162
The explanation:
(Because of the wrongdoing of Jews, We forbade them [certain] good and wholesome [food stuffs] which were [before] permitted for them, [it means: because they wronged themselves by worshipping the calf statue, and their rebellion against Moses when they said to him: Go you and your Lord to fight the idolaters à therefore, We forbade them many good food stuffs in the wilderness of Sinai so that they did not eat but only the Manna.
and because of their hindering much many [of people] from God's way [: i.e. from believing in Jesus and Mohammed.]
And [because of] their taking the usury [: the interest] that they were prohibited [in their Torah from Taking the Usury,] and their devouring people's wealth without right [i.e. the bribe];
We have prepared for the unbelievers among them a painful chastisement.
But those among them who are firm in knowledge [like Abdullah son of Salam and his companions], and the believers [among the Arab] believe in that which is revealed to you [Mohammed] and that which was revealed before you: and [especially they] establish regular prayers and pay the Zakat-alms and believe in God and in the Last Day: To these shall We give a great reward [in the afterlife.])
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The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 7: 159
وَمِن قَوْمِ مُوسَى أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ
Now I shall give you the explanation of these ayat of the Quran and the reason for their revealing to the Prophet:
Quran 3: 181
You only quoted the last part of the meaning of the aya 3: 181.
The reason for revealing this aya:
The Prophet wrote a message carried by Abu Bakr to the Jews of Qainuka inviting them to the Islam, so Abu Bakr went to their religious school and found them gathering around a man called Finhass.
Finhass asked Abu Bakr: Can Mohammed bring down fire from heaven to consume the sacrifice? [like Prophet Elia] because God ordered us not to believe unless we see this miracle.
Abu Bakr said: I don't know.
Finhass said: Recite to me some of the book of Mohammed.
Abu Bakr recited until he reached the aya in the chapter 2: 245 where God said:
مَّن ذَا الَّذِي يُقْرِضُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا فَيُضَاعِفَهُ لَهُ أَضْعَافًا كَثِيرَةً وَاللّهُ يَقْبِضُ وَيَبْسُطُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ
That means:
(Who is he that will lend to God a fair loan, and God will multiply itfor him manifold!? God [sometimes] gives little and [sometimes] gives much [sotake the opportunity and expend, in God's way, when you can.] And you [people]shall return to Him [after your death, when He will reward everyone accordingto his work and expenditure.])
Here Fihass laughed and said: Then God is poor: therefore He borrows from us!
The other Jews laughed also.
So Abu Bakr smote the face of Finhass and went out angrily.
Therefore this aya 3: 181 was revealed concerning those blaspheming Jews who reviled God.
لَّقَدْ سَمِعَ اللّهُ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ فَقِيرٌ وَنَحْنُ أَغْنِيَاء سَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَالُواْ وَقَتْلَهُمُ الأَنبِيَاء بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَنَقُولُ ذُوقُواْ عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ
The explanation:
(God has heard the saying of those [Jews] who said: "God is poor and we are rich [: that He borrows from us.]"
We shall write down what they have said [: Our angels shall write down their words of blasphemy], and their slaying the prophets without right, and We shall say [to them on the Day of Judgment]: "Taste the chastisement of the Burning [in Hell.] "
This [chastisement] shall [you suffer] according to [your unbelief, slaying of the prophets and the evil works] that your hands have forwarded [to your Afterlife] ––surely God is never unjust in dealing with His servants.)
For those who know Arabic, see more details here:
181 182 183 184
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The reason for revealing the aya 3: 118 - 120
A man among the believers allied with Jews apart from believers, so this aya was revealed to forbid Muslims from allying with them apart from believers:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ بِطَانَةًمِّن دُونِكُمْ لاَ يَأْلُونَكُمْ خَبَالاً وَدُّواْ مَا عَنِتُّمْ قَدْ بَدَتِالْبَغْضَاء مِنْ أَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَمَا تُخْفِي صُدُورُهُمْ أَكْبَرُ قَدْبَيَّنَّا لَكُمُ الآيَاتِ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ .هَاأَنتُمْ أُوْلاء تُحِبُّونَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِبُّونَكُمْوَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْكِتَابِ كُلِّهِ وَإِذَا لَقُوكُمْ قَالُواْ آمَنَّا وَإِذَاخَلَوْاْ عَضُّواْ عَلَيْكُمُ الأَنَامِلَ مِنَ الْغَيْظِ قُلْ مُوتُواْبِغَيْظِكُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ . إِن تَمْسَسْكُمْحَسَنَةٌ تَسُؤْهُمْ وَإِن تُصِبْكُمْ سَيِّئَةٌ يَفْرَحُواْ بِهَا وَإِنتَصْبِرُواْ وَتَتَّقُواْ لاَ يَضُرُّكُمْ كَيْدُهُمْ شَيْئًا إِنَّ اللّهَ بِمَايَعْمَلُونَ مُحِيطٌ
The explanation:
(Believers, take not for your intimates those – other than yourselves [: other than your religious brothers] – who would spare no effort to ruin you; they wish much harm for you. Hatred [for you] is obvious from [the words of] their mouths, but that [hatred] hidden in their breasts is even greater. We have explained for you the signs [of revelation, to let you distinguish the friend from the enemy], if you realize [the consequences of allying with them, so abandon such alliance.]
So now, you [Muslims, make alliance and friendship with these Jews and] love them, whereas they love you not; and you believe in all the [Heavenly] Scriptures [whereas they believe not in your Book.] But when they fall in with you, they say:"We believe [in your religion and in your Book!]" And when they go privily alone, they bite their finger-tips in their rage concerning you. Say [OMohammed, to them]: "Perish with your rage; surely, God is All-Aware of [the hypocrisy and rage] that is hidden in the breasts [of such men, so He tells His messenger about that.]"
If a good fortune touches you, it grieves them; and if a misfortune befalls you, they rejoice therein. But if you forbear [their annoyance] and ward off [their friendship], their guile will never harm you; God is Well-Acquainted about all that they do.)
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These are the ayat 4: 160-162
فَبِظُلْمٍ مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْطَيِّبَاتٍ أُحِلَّتْ لَهُمْ وَبِصَدِّهِمْ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ كَثِيرًا .
وَأَخْذِهِمُ الرِّبَا وَقَدْ نُهُواْ عَنْهُ وَأَكْلِهِمْأَمْوَالَ النَّاسِ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَافِرِينَ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابًاأَلِيمًا
The explanation:
(Because of the wrongdoing of Jews, We forbade them [certain] good and wholesome [food stuffs] which were [before] permitted for them, [it means: because they wronged themselves by worshipping the calf statue, and their rebellion against Moses when they said to him: Go you and your Lord to fight the idolaters à therefore, We forbade them many good food stuffs in the wilderness of Sinai so that they did not eat but only the Manna.
and because of their hindering much many [of people] from God's way [: i.e. from believing in Jesus and Mohammed.]
And [because of] their taking the usury [: the interest] that they were prohibited [in their Torah from Taking the Usury,] and their devouring people's wealth without right [i.e. the bribe];
We have prepared for the unbelievers among them a painful chastisement.
But those among them who are firm in knowledge [like Abdullah son of Salam and his companions], and the believers [among the Arab] believe in that which is revealed to you [Mohammed] and that which was revealed before you: and [especially they] establish regular prayers and pay the Zakat-alms and believe in God and in the Last Day: To these shall We give a great reward [in the afterlife.])
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Ahhhh........here's a bulletin for you....Jews are NOT a race, they are a religion.....the quotes above are talking about CONVERTS that are no longer Jews......
Here you go, some reality:
A Guide to the Galaxy of Islamic Anti-Semitism :: Middle East Forum
This is the aya 4: 46 and itsinterpretation:
مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ يُحَرِّفُونَالْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ وَيَقُولُونَ سَمِعْنَا وَعَصَيْنَا وَاسْمَعْ غَيْرَمُسْمَعٍ وَرَاعِنَا لَيًّا بِأَلْسِنَتِهِمْ وَطَعْنًا فِي الدِّينِ وَلَوْأَنَّهُمْ قَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا وَاسْمَعْ وَانظُرْنَا لَكَانَ خَيْرًالَّهُمْ وَأَقْوَمَ وَلَكِن لَّعَنَهُمُ اللّهُ بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَإِلاَّ قَلِيلاً
The explanation:
(Some of Jews pervert words from their context,
and say [publicly]: "We hear and [they say within their hearts] we rebel";
[They say publicly]: "Listen [to us] but [they say within their hearts]: to you we do not listen"
and "Be careful with us [O careless!]":
distorting [the words] with their tongues and [making] a slander to faith.
If they had said: "We hear and we obey"; "Listen [to us], and wait, let us understand what you say", it would have been better for them and more proper.
But God did curse them because of their infidelity, and they will not believe [in you, Mohammed] save a few among them [like Abdullah son of Salam and his comrades.])
http://www.quran-ayat.com/shabaha/4.htm#46
Keeps you alive if you've learned not to repeat it. Insanity is what they call doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results..
Seems like that is exactly what they are doing....not let history repeat itself by fighting back!
Likely? Why not back up your assertion with some supporting documentation.
Lived. Things change.
Do you know who the Grand Mufti Hussani was?
Wonder what would happen if hamas would have a suicide bomber blow himself up in a crowd or blow up a bus full of people and Israel didn't respond in kind....
Anyone think that it would stop there????
Anyone think that it would stop there????