Water Flows Discovered on Mars?

[MHz]

I didn't realize they were were so small, I'll drop the wind theory.

What would the real color be if they didn't throw a reddish filter in at the 0:25 mark?

Gallery: Photos indicate water flows on Mars | SmartPlanet
More than 1,000 individual flows have been discovered from 0.5 to 5 yards wide with lengths of hundreds of yards long.

you'll see that at 0°C and below the pressure doesn't much matter, water will always be in the ice phase.

Barring that some contaminate doesn't affect that sample of water. ie some form of natural glycol or being saturated with salt or ....

 

[MHz]

Just out of curiosity if the moon was needed for earth to get it's wobble/tilt what gave mats and even steeper one?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Barring that some contaminate doesn't affect that sample of water. ie some form of natural glycol or being saturated with salt or ....

That'll shift the lines around a bit on the system's phase diagram, but the general physical principles remain the same, pressure won't have much effect on the freezing point.

 

[MHz]

Will the cliffs recede as far back as the outer rim of the crater as shown at 0:48? (same pic as in the OP)

The moisture would be have to be weeping out of the cliffs and the freezing/melting cycle would aid in the erosion of hard stone. I assume if any carbon had been present when the impact took place it would be turned into diamonds the same way the NWT got theirs.

#22 should be Mars rather than mats

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Just out of curiosity if the moon was needed for earth to get it's wobble/tilt what gave mats and even steeper one?

The moon helps stabilize Earth's axial tilt, it's currently about 23.5 degrees and varies between about 22 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000 year cycle. Mars is currently at about 25 degrees and if my memory is correct it varies over the long term between about 10 and 40 degrees without a large moon to stabilize it. These things are cyclic and are due to the compound interactions of all the gravitating bodies in the solar system, with Jupiter and the sun being the largest influences. I doubt the moon was necessary to create the tilt in the first place, it's probably a residual effect of all the accretion collisions that originally built the planets.

 

[MHz]

Thanks, later

 

[eanassir]

And you think this lends some credibility to your claims that there are people on Mars? It doesn't, and there aren't. You've still got nothing with any scientific credibility. You can't cite the Quran in support of its claims about itself, it means no more than it would if I posted a claim that everything I've ever posted here is absolutely true and correct then cited that post in support of myself. It's called being self-referential, and it's not a legitimate argument.

No, no .. See how you evade ... You know very well what I mean : your insisting - in the name of science - at the start that there is no water on Mars, there is only frozen CO2 : refer to your replies to my posts some three years ago .. and you said that all this is non-sense, and that water was only there some billions of years ago, and that they have searched Mars meter by meter and did not find water or any living being.

The thing now is that the word of the inspired interpreter of the Quran - in spite of being ungraduated at any school - so the words of the Quran interpreter are fulfilled and verified, while your claims and assertions in the name of science are proving false.

So at the start they denied any water, and said it is only CO2, and now they think there is flowing water: and now I affirmly tell you: Yes , there are people on Mars living and worshipping God the Creator (Certainly some of them will be idolaters, skeptic and atheists like you), and your words will be proved false ... but evenso you will keep denying and disbelieving.

The aya which I cited in the post #10 : it does not relate to the existence of people on Mars, but it is related to you and your blasphemy and your denial and the insisting on your denial; the aya 13: 1 explains that inspite of the truth being evident, most people do not believe.

The planets are inhabited

 

[petros]

Richard C Hoagland and Mohammed. How can you argue with those two?

 

[eanassir]

I'll wait for definitive proof one way or the other.

There are references to alien life visiting Earth in the Bible, so I assume since Mohammed plagiarized that book, he would have put some reference to alien life in his book too. Whether or not that prove the validity of either book, I have my doubts. I mentioned aliens in one or two of my books. Does that make mine divinely inspired too?

When Moses was sent to Pharaoh, Pharaoh was certain that God sent Moses and that Moses was the apostle of God.
But evenso, Pharaoh kept on his non-belief until he perished and was drowned.

In the last moment when Pharaoh was drowning: he said that he has now believed in the God of Moses and Aaron. But his belief was not accepted; because that was when he was about to die.

So now you will not believe maybe until you perish in spite of seeing all evidences and proofs; because the belief is only according to God's guidance.

 

[Cliffy]

When Moses was sent to Pharaoh, Pharaoh was certain that God sent Moses and that Moses was the apostle of God.
But evenso, Pharaoh kept on his non-belief until he perished and was drowned.

In the last moment when Pharaoh was drowning: he said that he has now believed in the God of Moses and Aaron. But his belief was not accepted; because that was when he was about to die.

So now you will not believe maybe until you perish in spite of seeing all evidences and proofs; because the belief is only according to God's guidance.

You have no idea what I believe. What I find offensive is your judgement of those who do not believe as you do.

 

[petros]

When Moses was sent to Pharaoh, Pharaoh was certain that God sent Moses and that Moses was the apostle of God.

Thutmosis the guy sent to rule the Egyptian vassal state of Caanan? I've heard of him.

 

[eanassir]

I didn't think to look in the Alternate Theories sub-forum. That forum is reserved for "paranormal phenomena, UFO sightings, cryptozoology, etc." I posted my thread in the Science forum, where it belongs. It's not an alternate theory, it's a hypothesis.

More to the point, I don't take findings and twist them to fit a preconceived notion of the universe. I do try to place them in context of the larger body of knowledge. I enjoy discussions about the science. I think that by it's self probably makes my content more approachable.

I don't envy you because you started the same post that I said before you; this does not mean anything to me; but it points out to their dislike of the Quran: because my post was certainly linked to the Glorious Quran: the word of God.

Anyhow, you Tonington together with the others, said and defended before that there is no water on Mars and when I said: it is logical and gave many hints to that, you refused and insisted that there is no possibility except may be some billions of years ago.
While now all of a sudden you came next morning and said : Water is now flowing on Mars!

So what is this science: is it the science of some 2 weeks ago, or is it the science of today that you follow? and is the science of yesterday, to which you were fanatic, was wrong?

And if so, why do you insist on your refusal of the existence of people on Mars?

Then when people will be discovered on Mars, will you just simply retreat and say: Yes, there are people on Mars and on many other planets!? and you forget about your rejecting the idea just some months ago?

And if this is possible and it is the correct thing, who do you then insist on rejecting the idea of the existence of people on Mars and many other planets?

The planets are inhabited

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... You know very well what I mean

Yes I do, you were claiming there are large bodies of open water on Mars, oceans and lakes and rivers, and human inhabitants. You're still wrong.

 

[eanassir]

Yes I do, you were claiming there are large bodies of open water on Mars, oceans and lakes and rivers, and human inhabitants. You're still wrong.

I remember you said the same thing about water existence on Mars.

Now, if there is water flowing; what does this mean: rivers? and rivers will go to seas and lakes.
If there are water springs --> then rivers will form, or what?

If there is water --> there is life.

This is in the Quran 21: 30

و جَعَلْنا مِنَ الماءِ كُلَّ شَيءٍ حَيٍّ ​

The explanation:

(And [We] made – of water – every living thing.)


The same life that came to Earth embedded in the meteorites and portions of the previous planets; the same meteorites also brought the seed of life to Mars and the rest of the planets in the same way.

Life is transmittable (or migrant)

​

 

[darkbeaver]

The moon helps stabilize Earth's axial tilt, it's currently about 23.5 degrees and varies between about 22 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000 year cycle. Mars is currently at about 25 degrees and if my memory is correct it varies over the long term between about 10 and 40 degrees without a large moon to stabilize it. These things are cyclic and are due to the compound interactions of all the gravitating bodies in the solar system, with Jupiter and the sun being the largest influences. I doubt the moon was necessary to create the tilt in the first place, it's probably a residual effect of all the accretion collisions that originally built the planets.

Accretion collisions? These same collisions must account for the vast accumulations of dust and chunks in the corners of your big square head. It is of course a tragedy that such a learned man like you should adhere to such obsolete junk science.

 

[lone wolf]

All anyone can go on is current knowledge. As we all know, knowledge is subject to change - if minds are open for the change.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I remember you said the same thing about water existence on Mars.

Well okay, I'm not going to go searching back to see exactly what I wrote three years ago, if I said there's NO water on Mars then I may have been wrong, but I have no confidence in your memory or comprehension, and it hasn't yet been established that this IS water we're seeing in the Mars photos. Me being wrong, however, doesn't mean you must be right, and you're not. You've claimed there are large areas of exposed surface water on Mars, that it's bigger than Earth, and there are people there with a level of civilization comparable to Earth's. If any of those claims were true we'd have known it years ago. You're still wrong, so much more wrong about so much more than I've ever been that you're off the scale. That's what you get for taking divine revelation instead of science and reason as your main source of data.

 

[DaSleeper]

Well okay, I'm not going to go searching back to see exactly what I wrote three years ago, if I said there's NO water on Mars then I may have been wrong, but I have no confidence in your memory or comprehension, and it hasn't yet been established that this IS water we're seeing in the Mars photos. Me being wrong, however, doesn't mean you must be right, and you're not. You've claimed there are large areas of exposed surface water on Mars, that it's bigger than Earth, and there are people there with a level of civilization comparable to Earth's. If any of those claims were true we'd have known it years ago. You're still wrong, so much more wrong about so much more than I've ever been that you're off the scale. That's what you get for taking divine revelation instead of science and reason as your main source of data.

You're right...You never said there was no water on Mars (Can't quote because thread is closed but here's the link)
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/spirituality-philosophy/63643-jesuss-contradiction-miracles-vs-sacrifice-4.html#post973061

 

[#juan]

Well okay, I'm not going to go searching back to see exactly what I wrote three years ago, if I said there's NO water on Mars then I may have been wrong, but I have no confidence in your memory or comprehension, and it hasn't yet been established that this IS water we're seeing in the Mars photos. Me being wrong, however, doesn't mean you must be right, and you're not. You've claimed there are large areas of exposed surface water on Mars, that it's bigger than Earth, and there are people there with a level of civilization comparable to Earth's. If any of those claims were true we'd have known it years ago. You're still wrong, so much more wrong about so much more than I've ever been that you're off the scale. That's what you get for taking divine revelation instead of science and reason as your main source of data.

Not only that. Eanassir claimed all the planets were inhabited. His claim that there was surface water on Mars is
simply ridiculous. Given the atmospheric conditions on mars, any surface water would freeze, evaporate, sublimate
or simply disappear for one reason or another. Further, the amount of water that is evident on Mars is so tiny
that it becomes insignificant. It could be that there are deposits of water underground but that is only conjecture or daydreams brought on by wishful thinking. Back in the not too distant past, there were colour changes on Mars that were attributed by some to be to be seasonal vegetation. The colour changes are now thought to be sand/dust storms that account very nicely for the seasonal colour changes.

 

[eanassir]

There is a great difference between the evident true fact and the belief in such facts: e.g. many doctors know the harm of the cigarette smoking, and eventhough they do smoke cigarette. Many people know the alcohol ingestion is harmful, and in spite they indulge in alcohol drinking.

So now it is very evident that you were wrong, and in spite of that you keep up to your wrong ideas and way of deducing the condition on Mars.

Specially #Juan and Dexter, specially Dexter who said about this idea of the water on Mars: ridiculous and non-sense.

I remember very well #Juan said: No water but only frozen CO2 is found on the polar caps.
Then later on, they discovered water on Mars and water ice, and you kept saying: the majority of the ice is frozen CO2.
Then they discovered flowing water, and you keep saying such water is not certain.

This proves my past post: Why idolaters and atheists incline to the idea that there is no water and no life on Mars and the planets:
Because such discovery of life on Mars will disprove the enthusiasm about Jesus, Ali and the saints (because these are unknown to the people of the planets who only know God the Creator.)

And the atheist will also be frustrated when he sees that all people on the planets know God, and sees the marvels of God's creation in the system and harmony of the planets difference in distance and axes inclination which will make the planets bear the life of people.

The planets are inhabited