The Flotilla....IDF Actions Validated!

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This flotilla is a postal ship? They're delivering the mail? oh brother.
Not up to speed on this one are you? Most people would call sabotaging a ship as being an act of terrorism. Can you state the Law that allows Israel to do such acts?

Now, imagine how much good $300,000 would have done if given to a relief agency and used somewhere it was REALLY needed,like Somalia or the Sudan.........or even in Gaza......
Imagine how much good could be done with the $3,000,000,000 Israel gets in just free weapons of war each and every year.
 

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Could you please point out which Israeli war criminals that Canada is supporting?
Is the question too hard for you? Or is it a matter of you can't back up your bullshyte.
The Goldstone report and all the other reports by independent humanitarian organizations identified dozens of incidents which were likely war crimes. None named names, because that's not their mandate. Blocking humanitarian aid and other collective punishments imposed on 1.4 million people because they elected a government the Israeli government doesn't like is official Israeli government policy and a crime against humanity.

But if you want names and photos of Israel war criminals and what they are accused of doing, I suggest you visit this site:
Names and Photos of Israeli War Criminals « Kawther Salam
 

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I guess you didn't see this:


I support an arms embargo against Palestinian militants. I do not support Israel's economic and humanitarian aid embargo which collectively punishes civilians and is counter productive to peace efforts. I support Canada's policies regarding Palestinian war criminals. (all material support is illegal)

BTW, I would also Canada holding Israeli war criminals to the same standard as Palestinian ones. Canada should not unshakably support Israeli war criminals. Canada should treat all war criminals the same way, regardless of race or religion.

You still didn't answer my question.
 

petros

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Quote:
The Goldstone Report has been repudiated by Goldstone himself. Now, what do
you think it says about your attitude when the author repudiates his own report,
but you cling to it with obvious desperation???

Why would Goldstone do that? Why would he sepearate himself from it?

repudiated past participle, past tense of re·pu·di·ate (Verb)

1. Refuse to accept or be associated with.
2. Deny the truth or validity of.
 

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The Goldstone report and all the other reports by independent humanitarian organizations identified dozens of incidents which were likely war crimes. None named names, because that's not their mandate. Blocking humanitarian aid and other collective punishments imposed on 1.4 million people because they elected a government the Israeli government doesn't like is official Israeli government policy and a crime against humanity.

But if you want names and photos of Israel war criminals and what they are accused of doing, I suggest you visit this site:
Names and Photos of Israeli War Criminals « Kawther Salam


I want to know who Canada is supporting. Show names, crimes and how Canada is supporting these war criminals/
 

earth_as_one

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You still didn't answer my question.
Yes I did. You just didn't like the answer. Israel's ban on humanitarian aid and Gaza exports does not affect the ability of Palestinian militants to smuggle arms through the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza. Israel's actions are collective punishment of 1.4 million civilians and therefore a crime against humanity.

I want to know who Canada is supporting. Show names, crimes and how Canada is supporting these war criminals/
Normally when someone accused of a war crime enters Canada, Canada's policy is to arrest them and put them on trial, either in Canada or at the Hague. The sole exception are accused Israeli war criminals.

Normally when a country commits serious human rights violations, it affects our trade relationships and our friendliness. Both the US and Israel are exceptions, in that we never lecture them about their torture facitities, crimes against humanity or war crimes.

Canada should have one set of human rights standards which are applied equally to all countries. Instead Canada's current PM has stated that Canada "unshakably" supports Israel. As a result, many countries which do expect Israel to respect fundamental human rights, international laws, treaties and conventions are growing increasingly hostile toward Canada. Canada's hypocrisy regarding the US and Israel is a big reason why Canada didn't get a seat on the UNSC and why the UAE tossed Canada's military out of their country. If Canada was consistent and fair regarding human rights, we'd probably get along better with many non-aligned countries which do have consistent policies regarding human rights, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Also, a lesson we should all have learned as a result of Nazi atrocities against Jews, Roma, Slavs, the infirm, religious minorities during the Holocaust was that we must not ignore human rights violations, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Canada turned away boat loads of refugees from Europe during the 1930's and as a result many people went to the gas chambers or were shot.

Palestinians today are the new undesirables. Israel violates their fundamental human rights and commits war crimes and crimes against humanity against these people. Canada treats these fellow human beings the same ways Canada treated Jews in the 1930's. So obviously we never learned the lessons of the Holocaust or 1990's Rwanda. Worse Canada officially has a warm, supportive relationship with a government which commits crimes against humanity.

I can't foresee what the future holds, but the closer we get to Israel, the more we will get involved in their war crimes and crimes against humanity. As a patriotic Canadian, I don't want Canada helping or supporting countries which torture POWs, block humanitarian aid, bomb hospitals, shoot ambulance drivers and medics and other war crimes and crimes against humanity. Canada should be pressuring these countries to respect fundamental human rights, international laws, treaties and conventions. When the next battle comes in Israel's ethnic cleansing war, I don't want Canadian forces fighting along side Israelis. That path leads to Canadian soldiers committing the same atrocities as those committed by Israeli forces. That's not my Canada. That's not the way I want our government or military to behave. My desire is that Canada remains a staunch defender of human rights, is a force for peace, freedom and justice. My Canada respects international laws, treaties and conventions regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity. That's my vision for Canada, and NOT where PM Harper wants to lead Canada. Harper revealed his true colors in March 2003, when he delivered the same speech as Australia's John Howard in support of the US starting an unprovoked war with Iraq (war crime). He obviously doesn't have any moral issues with starting unprovoked wars (which lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians and turned millions of others into refugees) and his stated "unshakable" support Israel indicates he doesn't have any moral issues regarding countries which commit war crimes or crimes against humanity. Yes I am concerned about where Harper will lead Canada with respect to this conflict. All Canadians should be concerned.
 

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Not up to speed on this one are you? Most people would call sabotaging a ship as being an act of terrorism. Can you state the Law that allows Israel to do such acts?


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No not really.

So they are just delivering mail or what? That is the sole purpose... mail?
 

mentalfloss

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Yes I did. You just didn't like the answer. Israel's ban on humanitarian aid and Gaza exports does not affect the ability of Palestinian militants to smuggle arms through the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza. Israel's actions are collective punishment of 1.4 million civilians and therefore a crime against humanity.

It's funny how that little fact is swept under the rug while the same people condemn North Korea for their own crimes against humanity.
 

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Now that is a stretch.

I'm pretty sure Colpy actually, literally believes that the Israeli government is 100% innocent even though his stance on Korea is entirely sound. No hypocrisy or favoritism, eh?

He should sleep well at night, knowing that Israel takes care of its own people just like every other democratic state...


Israel prepares to pass law banning citizens from calling for boycotts


The Israeli parliament is preparing to pass a law that would in effect ban citizens from calling for academic, consumer or cultural boycotts of Israel in a move that has been denounced by its opponents as anti-democratic.

The boycott bill is expected to win majority backing, despite strong opposition and an attempt to filibuster Monday night's debate. Under its terms, any individual or organisation proposing a boycott could be sued for compensation by any individual or institution claiming that it could be damaged by such a call. Proof of actual damage would not be required.

As debate on the bill opened in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament's legal adviser presented an opinion that parts of the proposed law were "borderline illegal". "The broad definition of a boycott on the state of Israel is a violation of the core tenet of freedom of political expression and elements in the proposed bill are borderline illegal," Eyal Yinon said.

Among the bill's opponents are dozens of Israeli intellectuals, including the celebrated author Amos Oz, who described the proposed law as the "worst of the anti-democratic bills in the Knesset. The bill will turn law-abiding citizens into criminals."

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Hey, I'm sure Colpy can find a way to spin this into some form of Anti-semitism.

And I agree.

The Israeli government sure is acting Anti-semitic right about now. I would suggest Jews take the time to seriously consider getting the **** out of there, because it's only going to get worse for them from here on in.
 
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I'm pretty sure Colpy actually, literally believes that the Israeli government is 100% innocent even though his stance on Korea is entirely sound. No hypocrisy or favoritism, eh?

He should sleep well at night, knowing that Israel takes care of its own people just like every other democratic state...


Israel prepares to pass law banning citizens from calling for boycotts


The Israeli parliament is preparing to pass a law that would in effect ban citizens from calling for academic, consumer or cultural boycotts of Israel in a move that has been denounced by its opponents as anti-democratic.

The boycott bill is expected to win majority backing, despite strong opposition and an attempt to filibuster Monday night's debate. Under its terms, any individual or organisation proposing a boycott could be sued for compensation by any individual or institution claiming that it could be damaged by such a call. Proof of actual damage would not be required.

As debate on the bill opened in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament's legal adviser presented an opinion that parts of the proposed law were "borderline illegal". "The broad definition of a boycott on the state of Israel is a violation of the core tenet of freedom of political expression and elements in the proposed bill are borderline illegal," Eyal Yinon said.

Among the bill's opponents are dozens of Israeli intellectuals, including the celebrated author Amos Oz, who described the proposed law as the "worst of the anti-democratic bills in the Knesset. The bill will turn law-abiding citizens into criminals."

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Hey, I'm sure Colpy can find a way to spin this into some form of Anti-semitism.

And I agree.

The Israeli government sure is acting Anti-semitic right about now. I would suggest Jews take the time to seriously consider getting the **** out of there, because it's only going to get worse for them from here on in.

Not at all.

I am FAR from believing Israel is perfect......it is simply the best nation (the freest and the most liberal) in the ME.

There are enough of you folks out there to list Israel's sins, real or imagined. I know what they are, and they are exceptionally minor compared to the sins of Fatah, of Hamas, of Hezbollah, or Iran, or of Syria.........

The bill that is proposed, if it is as described above, is simply an assault on free speech.

Now, go to Gaza and try preaching the Christian gospel.

I'll wait for you here.
 

petros

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The bill that is proposed, if it is as described above, is simply an assault on free speech.

Now, go to Gaza and try preaching the Christian gospel.

I'll wait for you here.
3000 Catholics and three Churches in Gaza.

Christmas Eve in Gaza


The Jihadists just don't like the born yesterdays.
 

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3000 Catholics and three Churches in Gaza.

Christmas Eve in Gaza


The Jihadists just don't like the born yesterdays.

Oh, I know there are Christians in the Palestinian territories.

But they don't go out preaching......except to the converted.

Trying to convert a Muslim will get you very dead, very fast.
 

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The Goldstone report and all the other reports by independent humanitarian organizations identified dozens of incidents which were likely war crimes. None named names, because that's not their mandate. Blocking humanitarian aid and other collective punishments imposed on 1.4 million people because they elected a government the Israeli government doesn't like is official Israeli government policy and a crime against humanity.

But if you want names and photos of Israel war criminals and what they are accused of doing, I suggest you visit this site:
Names and Photos of Israeli War Criminals « Kawther Salam

A govt the Israeli's do not like - Really - What would your opinion be if some group promised to kill your whole extended family. Oh yeah, I guess they do not like me and the family. The blockade has been declared as legal. So put a sock in it. Legal regardless of your view - Legal in all the sense of the word.

Now those other questions posed by others.

1 - What Israeli War Criminals is Canada supporting.

2 - Please name their supporters, not just use the word Canada as that implies all 33 million or so are then complicit. Yep even you.

3 - Where have they been indicted for War Crimes.

4 - Weapons would increase to Hhamas if the Blockade is lifted - Anyone with an ounce of sense would see that.
 

petros

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Oh, I know there are Christians in the Palestinian territories.

But they don't go out preaching......except to the converted.

Trying to convert a Muslim will get you very dead, very fast.
3000 RCs in Gaza gotta be some of the toughest BINGO players on the planet. The RC Church doesn't need to go out "converting". The Israelis don't exactly take to kindly to Christians AT ALL but will gladly drive born yesterday's assess around the "Holy Land" to Israeli tourism's favourite locations and they take VISA and MasterCard.
 

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3000 RCs in Gaza gotta be some of the toughest BINGO players on the planet. The RC Church doesn't need to go out "converting". The Israelis don't exactly take to kindly to Christians AT ALL but will gladly drive born yesterday's assess around the "Holy Land" to Israeli tourism's favourite locations and they take VISA and MasterCard.

Has the population, Christian been increasing or decreasing in the Middle East/North Africa?