Don't quote me but I do believe there have been cases in the U.S. where the jury meted out punishment. I also didn't think the jury members were supposed to blab about anything that was said during deliberation or any contentions.
Casey Anthony trial
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Don't quote me but I do believe there have been cases in the U.S. where the jury meted out punishment. I also didn't think the jury members were supposed to blab about anything that was said during deliberation or any contentions.
25 years is the MAX for First Degree Murder? THAT is despicable.
So that guy that sawed a strangers head off on that bus will get about 25 years?
And you have an issue with our system?
Oh please! Are you listening to yourself? You just let us know about Disney trips, ABC paying her money for photos, her getting offers to do porn, her lawyers being wined and dined in NYC.
You are so immersed in all of this hype.
Why? She got convicted of lying to the Cops. That is it. I bet she will go to Canada if the price is right. I bet she'll have an audience too.
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I'm not sure why you keep repeating this. Yes, I am a crime junky ... and this started several years ago when one of my family members was a senior prosecutor. That sort of thing happens because crime discussions enter the conversation.
I am but no one in Canada, and there is absolutely no way that someone in my position drives US media. Yes, I mock the talking heads and murdertainment south of the border. If it didn't happen in the US, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't get the news - I would know nothing about it. Since I do get the news, I am aware of how the media is interfering with criminal justice in the US ... and I am going to pay attention.
US jurists are asked to sit down for media interviews after deliberations, but many delay and some hold out for big bucks and book deals. Prosecutors and defence lawyers in the US like to talk with jurors particularly in the event of a hung jury or for the purpose of appeal.
I think the Greyhound bus guy was identified to be nuts, more specifically, schitzophrenic, so he's in a psychiatric hospital indefinitely.
I honestly don't think anyone is going to be inviting her to Canada to talk about how to get away with murder.
I'm not sure why your tone implies that you are upset with me for following the news ... any particular reason?
More than pay attention... you are a junkie and our system feeds your addiction.
I keep bringing it up because the Media that brings you so much you, you say it is awful. Yet you watch it like an addict.
YOU are one of MILLIONS that drives this media. Even up in Canada... you are one person... but one of the mob that makes the talking heads talk. That mob clearly has a fanbase in Canada. Just look at this thread.
But if a man kills his wife because he just wants her dead... 25 years MAX? No justice there...none.
Listening to you I'd say there is a market for her up there.
Your hypocricy... and only that.
The people who behaved most like a mob, came from the media especially some of those on the
Nancy Grace program. There were three, count them three things that had to be explained and
proven in order to get a conviction, and none of them were defined at anytime during the trial by
the prosecution. Remember the defence does not need to prove anything or say anything to help
the prosecutions case.
1 There was no defining proof as to who actually killed the little girl.
2 At the end of trial we did not find out when exactly she was killed, have to know in order to determine
who killed her.
3 Where was she murdered? That too is important as it is part of the three point mystery in order to
find someone guilty.
No none of this was proven even within a shadow of doubt let alone beyond doubt.
I think the chief prosecutor hurt his own case by making faces while the defence was presenting their
case. It hurt the prosecution more than the defence who also behaved badly. And remember the
bumbling lawyer for the defence was putting forth his third major case. He did one hell of a job and
beat a titan in the legal arena. To say he was useless is not accurate at all, was he great No was
he a winner Yes.
Nancy Grace program. There were three, count them three things that had to be explained and
proven in order to get a conviction, and none of them were defined at anytime during the trial by
the prosecution. Remember the defence does not need to prove anything or say anything to help
the prosecutions case.
1 There was no defining proof as to who actually killed the little girl.
2 At the end of trial we did not find out when exactly she was killed, have to know in order to determine
who killed her.
3 Where was she murdered? That too is important as it is part of the three point mystery in order to
find someone guilty.
No none of this was proven even within a shadow of doubt let alone beyond doubt.
I think the chief prosecutor hurt his own case by making faces while the defence was presenting their
case. It hurt the prosecution more than the defence who also behaved badly. And remember the
bumbling lawyer for the defence was putting forth his third major case. He did one hell of a job and
beat a titan in the legal arena. To say he was useless is not accurate at all, was he great No was
he a winner Yes.
Some people are political junkies, always watching what political leaders are doing ... others are religion junkies trying to convert everyone to their way of thinking. One of my interests in the justice system as it exists in various countries. I find justice systems based on Roman Law particularly interesting as truth and rehabilitation are the main objectives. The US system strikes as a legal game - whoever has the better lawyer and the most money wins. I am not impressed with the US legal system, but it's my understanding that many people in the US believe their justice system is superior to all others. We all have opinions.
25 years is the sentence for first degree murder in Canada and many other countries. I don't know of too many places that lock people up and forget about them - having no hope that people can change, reform or be rehabilitated. I find that a sad situation ... one where 14 year olds are sentenced to life in prison because there is no one in the entire country that can help that 14 year become a productive, contibuting member of society at any level.
The juror that has spoken has said that she does not believe that Anthony is innocent, but for some reason this same juror was not able to vote for even manslaughter because she mistakenly thought she had to decide something about punishment.
And many Canadians think their justice system is superior to all others.
It's pathetic.
14 years olds... or just one 14 year old.
The one that did this to a 12 year old girl...
"Tate was found guilty on January 25 of beating Tiffany to death at his home. Tiffany suffered a fractured skull, a lacerated liver and more than 30 other injuries on July 28, 1999, from being punched, kicked, stomped and thrown."
The people who behaved most like a mob, came from the media especially some of those on the
Nancy Grace program.
Yes, that is true. But the talking heads like Nancy sure succeeded in inflaming the publics furor . Now there are death threats coming to the lawyers, the family itself .
Awe........yes that american way. They have gone totally psychotic. and the media is not anywhere near stopping.
Now the commentary is about the profit that Casey , her family, etc.......would be cashing in on. One juror said (according to the "unbiased " news of CNN she will sell her story only if the price is right.
once again.......... it is the bottom line that matters most. As well as the non thinking lynch mob public that allows itself to be so manipulated by the likes of Nancy Grace , and a couple others on CNN that DRAMATIZE every word they say . The public just laps it up because it is not real news to them...........it is THEATER ,DRAMA and a real life who dunnit.
What is ASTOUNDING...............is that for all the bragging that americans do about their fair justice system and all their freedoms and rights.......... you have a mob mentality react like this when the JUSTICE SYSTEM ACTUALLY WORKS. Do these idiots know what the hell they really want ........or appreciate what they have???
Now............any guesses as to how many books will be coming out in the next short while and how much cashing in is done.
Any guesses, who gets the first interview with Casey and what she will be paid for it??
interesting society that has arisen ....... that is a branch from the Celeb Culture.
Nancy Grace program.
Yes, that is true. But the talking heads like Nancy sure succeeded in inflaming the publics furor . Now there are death threats coming to the lawyers, the family itself .
Awe........yes that american way. They have gone totally psychotic. and the media is not anywhere near stopping.
Now the commentary is about the profit that Casey , her family, etc.......would be cashing in on. One juror said (according to the "unbiased " news of CNN she will sell her story only if the price is right.
once again.......... it is the bottom line that matters most. As well as the non thinking lynch mob public that allows itself to be so manipulated by the likes of Nancy Grace , and a couple others on CNN that DRAMATIZE every word they say . The public just laps it up because it is not real news to them...........it is THEATER ,DRAMA and a real life who dunnit.
What is ASTOUNDING...............is that for all the bragging that americans do about their fair justice system and all their freedoms and rights.......... you have a mob mentality react like this when the JUSTICE SYSTEM ACTUALLY WORKS. Do these idiots know what the hell they really want ........or appreciate what they have???
Now............any guesses as to how many books will be coming out in the next short while and how much cashing in is done.
Any guesses, who gets the first interview with Casey and what she will be paid for it??
interesting society that has arisen ....... that is a branch from the Celeb Culture.
Nancy can be a little dramatic but that might be partly due to the fact her fiance was murdered and I don't think she ever really got over it.
I don't know of too many Canadians that believe the Canadian justice system is superior to all others ... in fact, I think Canadians accept what they have, and wonder how it is done elsewhere - at least that's where I'm at.
Is there no one in the entire country that is able to assist and heal someone who is damaged and violent at the age of 14?
According to some 14 is about 8 years too late, many believe if you are to set the course of a child's life you have to get to him/her by the time he/she is 6.
In order to establish whether someone specific committed a crime you have to be able to
define, who the killer was, where the killing took place and when the killing took place,if
you can't answer those basic questions, then the person can't not be found guilty no matter
who they are. We cannot have people found guilty or innocent through the court of public
opinion or through the graphic details of theatre played out day after day.
The testimony has to be based on facts and answer the basic questions as mentioned above.
All the prosecutor could offer was facial expressions, as he did not address the three main
questions. Therefore a not guilty verdict is appropriate.
define, who the killer was, where the killing took place and when the killing took place,if
you can't answer those basic questions, then the person can't not be found guilty no matter
who they are. We cannot have people found guilty or innocent through the court of public
opinion or through the graphic details of theatre played out day after day.
The testimony has to be based on facts and answer the basic questions as mentioned above.
All the prosecutor could offer was facial expressions, as he did not address the three main
questions. Therefore a not guilty verdict is appropriate.
That is OFF topic. Canadian justice system might be worthy of a thread of its own. But it is delusional to believe that Canada b believes its system to be superior. The only nation with a superiority complex is the neighbor to the south.
sheesh. Why is it nec to deflect and manipulate from the sickness of the mob mentality that is ready to lynch and now is threatening the family and the lawyers . THAT dear folks is the american way. Dramatize a highly provocative trial . Have every dumb talking head emotionalize it , riling up the population to the point of frenzie ( No Nancy is not mildly dramatic......she has lost her objectivity and deliberately inflames with what SHE thinks is right ) , and the emotional reaction builds daily until a verdict is reached. It happens to be the correct verdict........but the lynch mob has other ideas.... and is loading its guns getting ready for REVENGE. (not justive) and punishment Mob style.
Now come the threats........with added security problems for the legal teams involved. and a family is totally destroyed. The media is not letting go......... lilke a terrior with a bone. It has to have the ratings that all this sensationalism has produced ......even if it loses its ethics, standards to do so. ( unbiased journalism ........is now a myth)
Talk shows are a buzz. repeating and repeating . and inflaming even more. Now of course comes talk of books, intervews and movie deals. The only thing missing is a shooting attempt. (so far).
.........did I miss anything??? Where else on this planet does this degree of insanity take place ?? With such a total disregard to the one system that is supposed to value our rights , and INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. ?? Do folks even know what BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT IS??? obviously not.........
exellent post. Refreshingly rational/ logical. As legal issues should be.
BRAVO!!
In Canada, life is life. for 1st degree murder. You must serve 25 years before applying for parole............Which may or not be granted.
We have killers such as Paul Bernardo, and Clifford Olsen, in the system now, who will probably (hopefully) die in prison.
Every time they apply, a hearing is held, victim statements are read, the victims's family is put through the horror again, and the play goes on. Nice system...........Almost makes one want to bring back the noose, except our system is so SNAFU, it would eventually hang and innocent person.
Just sayin:...........they don't automatically get out after 25 years.
We have killers such as Paul Bernardo, and Clifford Olsen, in the system now, who will probably (hopefully) die in prison.
Every time they apply, a hearing is held, victim statements are read, the victims's family is put through the horror again, and the play goes on. Nice system...........Almost makes one want to bring back the noose, except our system is so SNAFU, it would eventually hang and innocent person.
Just sayin:...........they don't automatically get out after 25 years.
Supporting those bastards in jail for life is sick- they should have been fertilizer 15 minutes after the guilty verdict.
I was also fascinated by the Anthony trial.
I've given the verdict a lot of thought. As a tv spectator I got to watch and hear many issues discussed that the jury did not....they were removed during the legal sidebars,and did not get to hear what I did.
The jurors also did not get to hear from the plethora of opinions,offered by lawyer "experts" on the various tv shows,nor to read the opinion pieces in newspapers.
The jury had reasonable doubt...they might not have approvd of Casey,but they had to make a judgement on the facts.
Trials seem to be a money-maker in the U.S. The meter reader will make money,the jurors will make money,Baez will make money,and Casey Anthony will undoubtedly make money from this.
I've given the verdict a lot of thought. As a tv spectator I got to watch and hear many issues discussed that the jury did not....they were removed during the legal sidebars,and did not get to hear what I did.
The jurors also did not get to hear from the plethora of opinions,offered by lawyer "experts" on the various tv shows,nor to read the opinion pieces in newspapers.
The jury had reasonable doubt...they might not have approvd of Casey,but they had to make a judgement on the facts.
Trials seem to be a money-maker in the U.S. The meter reader will make money,the jurors will make money,Baez will make money,and Casey Anthony will undoubtedly make money from this.
Got you. That sounds a little better.
Oh please, do spare me. He brutally pounded a 12 year old girl to death. Which you embrace him so quickly if it was your daughter? Granddaughter?
Why people are shocked at sentences and completely dismiss the crimes they comitted is beyond me.
Did they do away with the "faint hope" clause? It used to be if you were a very good boy in jail, there was a slim chance you could get out after 15 years. I kind of thought it was a good clause for cases that are an exception to the rule (like maybe the guy who killed a politician after being lied to one too many times) :lol: