Elderly woman asked to remove adult diaper during TSA search
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America "the er "brave".... NOT. Scared of their own seniors now.
America BABY,,, Ah finally some truth.
TSA Abuses: Seeing the Forest and the Trees
[FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]by Anthony Gregory[/FONT], [FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]June 30, 2011[/FONT]
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The Transportation Security Administration is finally getting some of the bad publicity it deserves. We read about an elderly woman forced to remove her adult diaper to go through the screening process. We learn about a mentally disabled passenger deprived of his harmless toy by a sadistic policy, if not sadistic TSA agents. We see pictures of women and little children being felt up, all the while Americans stand by, seemingly helpless to do anything about such humiliations. A whole country has been conditioned to these summary body scans and pat downs, these invasions of bodily integrity that would have unlikely been tolerated in the era before 9/11, a memory that grows dimmer by the day.
Under Obama, conservatives once again pose as advocates of liberty, increasingly expressing outrage about TSA abuses. They are right to be angry. We could ask where they were almost ten years ago when their president, George W. Bush, oversaw the creation of this national monstrosity. More to the point, we should note that their critique hardly goes far enough and is somewhat misdirected.
The conservatives complain that grandmas and helpless children are being abused, and instead the TSA should pursue a more “common sense” policy that streamlines unthreatening people through a less-invasive process. Those who obviously don’t “look like a terrorist” shouldn’t be molested. Sounds good. But what many of them mean is that we need racial profiling, and that Arabs, Muslims, and those from questionable nations should undergo extra scrutiny. Yet this too is objectionable and absurd. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of such people fly in America regularly, and only an infinitesimal fraction are any threat. Why should the government subject innocent Arabs and Muslims to indignities and unreasonable searches without due process? On the other hand, British citizen Richard Reid, the attempted “shoebomber” of December 2001, didn’t look like a “typical” terrorist. He was of European and Jamaican descent. TSA agents are simply not equipped to discern who is a threat from who is not, and they never will be. There is no way to guarantee the total security conservatives have spent a decade demanding while preserving the liberty of everyday Americans.
The liberals are even more disgraceful. They spoke up for civil liberties under Bush, decrying the No-Fly list and other such depredations. Now many of them, suspicious of the conservative TSA critics, defend this terrible agency created by Bush and made worse under Obama. They even cheer as TSA agents vote to unionize, as though better compensating these federal employees or making them even harder to fire should be on the top-ten-thousand list of priorities for any humanitarian, as the left claims to be. Even worse, many left-liberals have denied that these screening procedures are intolerably invasive. Some have said those on the No-Fly list should be barred from gun ownership. The same liberals who fret about big business’s threats to the environment and consumer safety defend the TSA full-body-scanner, insisting the health risks are a total fantasy.
In March, USA Today reported that the TSA “would retest every full-body X-ray scanner that emits ionizing radiation — 247 machines at 38 airports — after maintenance records on some of the devices showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected.” The same government that many Americans trust to protect their health didn’t even bother to accurately test within an order of magnitude the radiation levels of its equipment before irradiating many millions of Americans and foreigners. And why should anyone be subjected to this risk, no matter how small? Ah yes, for the privilege to fly.
Some will say that this is simply the price we pay for security, but that is a complete illusion. According to ABC reporting last December, TSA diagnostics to determine how many weapons could be snuck past security found that some major airports had a failure rate of 70% and at some airports, "every test gun, bomb part or knife got past screeners." Nothing has improved since college student Nathaniel Heatwole snuck weapons onto a plane at Baltimore-Washington International Airport back in September 2003 and then emailed his story to the TSA, which took five weeks to find the contraband. A flustered top TSA official insisted, “Amateur testing of our [security] systems do not show us in any way our flaws. We know where the vulnerabilities are and we are testing them.” Eight years later, have they addressed these vulnerabilities? A determined terrorist, needless to say, could easily infiltrate a plane with weapons.
No wonder that when terrorists are stopped in their tracks — the shoebomber of 2001 and the underwear bomber of 2009, for example — they were frustrated by the private sector, flight crew and customers, and not by TSA. This has happened without major casualties inflicted on the innocent — unlike the case of Rigoberto Alpizar who in December 2005 was shot multiple times on a Miami runway by two Air Marshalls, who claimed the man had cried out he had a bomb, something none of the passengers corroborated. Moreover, when people actually stop a terrorist incident, it has nothing to do with mass invasions of the personal privacy of millions of airline customers.
Airlines have every reason to protect their property and their customers, which means private security — not as it was before 9/11, overseen by the FAA, but truly, completely private security — is the answer. (The recent resignation of the major FAA official due to the scandalous tendency of his air traffic controllers to be caught sleeping on the job indicates just how indispensible and crucial that agency is.)
In a free market for security, some airlines might have detailed screening processes. Others might allow guns on planes — another defensive approach that has been completely neglected. Whether airlines profile or not will be up to them, but customers will demand security without violations of their dignity, and the private sector, unlike government, has all the incentives to deliver on both fronts.
The myopic focus on planes is questionable to begin with. What about other, similarly vulnerable, public locations? Will they come to mirror the authoritarian atmosphere of the airports? The TSA has already terrorized Amtrak passengers and has its eyes set on other ground transportation — is this really the direction we want this country to go? Recently the agency was even involved at securing a high school prom.
The missing fact in most of the controversy is that TSA is neither truly designed nor institutionally structured to protect us. We are not really surrendering our gels, forgoing our bottled water, or taking off our shoes for our own good. That’s all a ruse. The TSA is an agency whose function, if not intended purpose, is to condition obedience and subservience into the population. It is an arm of the federal police state and cannot be reformed into anything else. It must be abolished totally and nothing short of that will bring liberty back to air travel.
Even more fundamentally, the media and talking heads — certainly the conservative opponents of TSA — forget why we have a terrorist threat, such as it is, in the first place: Because the U.S. government is waging imperial wars abroad, slaughtering children, propping up corrupt regimes, overthrowing governments, playing geopolitical favorites, cutting people off of international trade, and generally behaving as the biggest bully in the world. The blowback terrorism that results can never be stamped out so long as the wars continue. Those who criticize the TSA but defend the wars, and those who defend the TSA but question the wars, should recognize they are two sides of the same imperial coin. The same statism behind the degradation of domestic passengers is in play in the dehumanization of foreign civilians bombed from the sky. Washington, D.C., sees itself as master of our lives and ruler of the world. So long as we accept its pretensions to control the planet, we will be treated as imperial subjects are always treated: as mere cogs in the machine, disposable and malleable human livestock, at the very best.
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[FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]by Anthony Gregory[/FONT], [FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]June 30, 2011[/FONT]
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The Transportation Security Administration is finally getting some of the bad publicity it deserves. We read about an elderly woman forced to remove her adult diaper to go through the screening process. We learn about a mentally disabled passenger deprived of his harmless toy by a sadistic policy, if not sadistic TSA agents. We see pictures of women and little children being felt up, all the while Americans stand by, seemingly helpless to do anything about such humiliations. A whole country has been conditioned to these summary body scans and pat downs, these invasions of bodily integrity that would have unlikely been tolerated in the era before 9/11, a memory that grows dimmer by the day.
Under Obama, conservatives once again pose as advocates of liberty, increasingly expressing outrage about TSA abuses. They are right to be angry. We could ask where they were almost ten years ago when their president, George W. Bush, oversaw the creation of this national monstrosity. More to the point, we should note that their critique hardly goes far enough and is somewhat misdirected.
The conservatives complain that grandmas and helpless children are being abused, and instead the TSA should pursue a more “common sense” policy that streamlines unthreatening people through a less-invasive process. Those who obviously don’t “look like a terrorist” shouldn’t be molested. Sounds good. But what many of them mean is that we need racial profiling, and that Arabs, Muslims, and those from questionable nations should undergo extra scrutiny. Yet this too is objectionable and absurd. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of such people fly in America regularly, and only an infinitesimal fraction are any threat. Why should the government subject innocent Arabs and Muslims to indignities and unreasonable searches without due process? On the other hand, British citizen Richard Reid, the attempted “shoebomber” of December 2001, didn’t look like a “typical” terrorist. He was of European and Jamaican descent. TSA agents are simply not equipped to discern who is a threat from who is not, and they never will be. There is no way to guarantee the total security conservatives have spent a decade demanding while preserving the liberty of everyday Americans.
The liberals are even more disgraceful. They spoke up for civil liberties under Bush, decrying the No-Fly list and other such depredations. Now many of them, suspicious of the conservative TSA critics, defend this terrible agency created by Bush and made worse under Obama. They even cheer as TSA agents vote to unionize, as though better compensating these federal employees or making them even harder to fire should be on the top-ten-thousand list of priorities for any humanitarian, as the left claims to be. Even worse, many left-liberals have denied that these screening procedures are intolerably invasive. Some have said those on the No-Fly list should be barred from gun ownership. The same liberals who fret about big business’s threats to the environment and consumer safety defend the TSA full-body-scanner, insisting the health risks are a total fantasy.
In March, USA Today reported that the TSA “would retest every full-body X-ray scanner that emits ionizing radiation — 247 machines at 38 airports — after maintenance records on some of the devices showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected.” The same government that many Americans trust to protect their health didn’t even bother to accurately test within an order of magnitude the radiation levels of its equipment before irradiating many millions of Americans and foreigners. And why should anyone be subjected to this risk, no matter how small? Ah yes, for the privilege to fly.
Some will say that this is simply the price we pay for security, but that is a complete illusion. According to ABC reporting last December, TSA diagnostics to determine how many weapons could be snuck past security found that some major airports had a failure rate of 70% and at some airports, "every test gun, bomb part or knife got past screeners." Nothing has improved since college student Nathaniel Heatwole snuck weapons onto a plane at Baltimore-Washington International Airport back in September 2003 and then emailed his story to the TSA, which took five weeks to find the contraband. A flustered top TSA official insisted, “Amateur testing of our [security] systems do not show us in any way our flaws. We know where the vulnerabilities are and we are testing them.” Eight years later, have they addressed these vulnerabilities? A determined terrorist, needless to say, could easily infiltrate a plane with weapons.
No wonder that when terrorists are stopped in their tracks — the shoebomber of 2001 and the underwear bomber of 2009, for example — they were frustrated by the private sector, flight crew and customers, and not by TSA. This has happened without major casualties inflicted on the innocent — unlike the case of Rigoberto Alpizar who in December 2005 was shot multiple times on a Miami runway by two Air Marshalls, who claimed the man had cried out he had a bomb, something none of the passengers corroborated. Moreover, when people actually stop a terrorist incident, it has nothing to do with mass invasions of the personal privacy of millions of airline customers.
Airlines have every reason to protect their property and their customers, which means private security — not as it was before 9/11, overseen by the FAA, but truly, completely private security — is the answer. (The recent resignation of the major FAA official due to the scandalous tendency of his air traffic controllers to be caught sleeping on the job indicates just how indispensible and crucial that agency is.)
In a free market for security, some airlines might have detailed screening processes. Others might allow guns on planes — another defensive approach that has been completely neglected. Whether airlines profile or not will be up to them, but customers will demand security without violations of their dignity, and the private sector, unlike government, has all the incentives to deliver on both fronts.
The myopic focus on planes is questionable to begin with. What about other, similarly vulnerable, public locations? Will they come to mirror the authoritarian atmosphere of the airports? The TSA has already terrorized Amtrak passengers and has its eyes set on other ground transportation — is this really the direction we want this country to go? Recently the agency was even involved at securing a high school prom.
The missing fact in most of the controversy is that TSA is neither truly designed nor institutionally structured to protect us. We are not really surrendering our gels, forgoing our bottled water, or taking off our shoes for our own good. That’s all a ruse. The TSA is an agency whose function, if not intended purpose, is to condition obedience and subservience into the population. It is an arm of the federal police state and cannot be reformed into anything else. It must be abolished totally and nothing short of that will bring liberty back to air travel.
Even more fundamentally, the media and talking heads — certainly the conservative opponents of TSA — forget why we have a terrorist threat, such as it is, in the first place: Because the U.S. government is waging imperial wars abroad, slaughtering children, propping up corrupt regimes, overthrowing governments, playing geopolitical favorites, cutting people off of international trade, and generally behaving as the biggest bully in the world. The blowback terrorism that results can never be stamped out so long as the wars continue. Those who criticize the TSA but defend the wars, and those who defend the TSA but question the wars, should recognize they are two sides of the same imperial coin. The same statism behind the degradation of domestic passengers is in play in the dehumanization of foreign civilians bombed from the sky. Washington, D.C., sees itself as master of our lives and ruler of the world. So long as we accept its pretensions to control the planet, we will be treated as imperial subjects are always treated: as mere cogs in the machine, disposable and malleable human livestock, at the very best.
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I've actually been trying to reach you for several weeks, to no avail. I've resorted to actually signing up and posting here, as I am not able to figure out how to send a darn private message to you... (I'm a new member, and it seems like I don't have those priviledges yet?). Might you be able to message me, and I can explain what this is all about? I promise, I'm not an advertiser or scammer! I'm actually a documentary tv producer. Curious, I know. I really appreciate it.
Kind Regards,
Dana
Petros is right....random hiway check stops are the precursor to TSA outrages...
The TSA is out of control and completely unnecessary....the government should disband them and hire Israeli security consultants to formulate and effective anti terrorist unit for the airline industry
The TSA is out of control and completely unnecessary....the government should disband them and hire Israeli security consultants to formulate and effective anti terrorist unit for the airline industry
If there ever comes a day when I need to depend on Depends and they ask to have a look I'll drop a load just to make sure I don't get a finger.
LOL........... it all depends on whether you will still have the fully functioning faculties to perform such an act of intent.:lol: but it might work to prevent a colonoscopy. ( the only free diagnostics given away );-)
Jesus Muther f*cking Xrist, given how customs people have more discretionary power than RCMP, you'd think they'd make them go through a training program at least as thorough as RCMP, not to mention be as picky about candidates.
It reminds me of how we have/had the world's best control over nuclear/radiation issues, yet we let R&D on genetics go wild, when in fact, the potential damage of rouge DNA getting into a virus or bacteria (not to mention a fungus... *shiver*) is *way* more potentially damaging and destructive to DNA than radiation.
Is it because the nuclear age followed WW-II, such that we had guys with the right attitude about how to regulate something serious, whereas the genetic age came along when the kids of those who fought were accustomed to everything being nice were the ones to think everyone could be trusted with DNA technology?
This is really too much, America and Canada have finally succumbed to the aspect of total
fear. We are frightened by a senior with a diaper, good God what is the world coming to?
The fear of being accused of racial or religious profiling is sweeping the land, so every
person is deemed a threat and needs to be searched, Even little old ladies need to be
intimidated and humiliated at the airport. I do travel and once in the last year they picked
me out for one of those more closely examined searches. You can't respond because
collectively we have given too much power to these morons, who delight in putting people
through hell. I hope there is a gateway to heaven and these wonderful folks get the full
treatment from St Peter himself.
Seriously though, there has to be some common sense here and it is really lacking at the
airports across this country and North America in general.
fear. We are frightened by a senior with a diaper, good God what is the world coming to?
The fear of being accused of racial or religious profiling is sweeping the land, so every
person is deemed a threat and needs to be searched, Even little old ladies need to be
intimidated and humiliated at the airport. I do travel and once in the last year they picked
me out for one of those more closely examined searches. You can't respond because
collectively we have given too much power to these morons, who delight in putting people
through hell. I hope there is a gateway to heaven and these wonderful folks get the full
treatment from St Peter himself.
Seriously though, there has to be some common sense here and it is really lacking at the
airports across this country and North America in general.
Exactly. Bin Laden won on the psychological level.
I'd dump ten thousand tonnes of crap on Uncle Sam for not seeing it's vulnerability but I'm not going to tell you about how I'm going to defend it's Achilles heal of niceness. That is how I want my grand-kids to live... in a place where it's normal to be nice.
Ever been to Russia where it's heart got yanked out by communist ideology that the Church was the enemy to leave them utterly victim to power over people no different than middle-ages lords over surfs no different from how a few rich people freak about having to pay a few pennies to stop the collapse of the US, which means they wants the US to collapse so they can move in and take over and get *what* that don't have already?
Obviously she's the type to hide a suicide bomb up her anus.
Precisely.
I'm going to tell you this but nobody knows.
This is a war of good against evil. Ever seen boatloads of Russians sailing past another boat to have sunk leaving people treading water screaming for help with the onlookers photographing it with their smart phones?
US Ninja found Bin Laden and got him killed. Sorry to say but facts are facts and from day one it was a job for wimpy dark forces. Let's call it surgery.
It was a total waste of forces. Forces are for defense against one nation against another.
Neither are forces to be cops. Forces are trained to win battles. The morons leading us did not have a cop force trained in to go in after forces cut ground.
Brilliant politicians we don't elect. Congratulations for being voters duped by Howard Murdoch.
Of course as voters you could possibly be responsible about whom you elect, unless you're a sucker to media ever since it got taken over by the honchos after the Pentagon Papers affair when the way those papers got out was by shifting from one paper to another no matter how hard Nixon tried to shut it down.
After all the truth got out, turned out Nixon over-freaked, because 85% of people don't care as long as things are enabling them to screw all night and raise kids all day.
The doers of global takeover were, however, not so placated, and set out on a program of taking over all information, such that you saw a systematic program starting in the middle 70's of papers being taken over. They did not like the release of the Pentagon Papers, because it would reveal to those able to truly read them deep that they're a form of ancient human feeling glee like it had not since the time of being a neanderthal killing.
They have accumulated a tonne of money which they can't spend on anything if the Masons cut their shorts.
So... how would you like it if I can show you a way to give your grant-children life on this planet in a healthy state without Armageddon happening. There does exist in (secret Canadian information) a place in the US with America's hottest engineers, and the only way those guys can reconcile themselves between the objective and the perfect spiritual upbringing which used to be a definition of being American while the rest of world fell down into evil suckhole selfish hell like what happened to Argentina when it was the hottest country in the new world after the frikkin' evil selfish MBAs took over and didn't notice that their performance just means they're the last one's Lucifer will eat is they're so confused by Lucifer MBAs they think they have to build super-weapons for a global war as part of living up to God's standards of acceptance.
The fact is, prophesies are God telling you what happens if you keep going the way you are.
Do you know the difference between relativistic physics and quantum physics?
No?
Then you can't let the type of people the flood of Noah's time take you down yet.
Yes they created a global screw-down of the economy, so... hmm... I'm thinking...
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seems that there is more to fear from the US and its angst over "national security " and how far it will go with its restrictive but terrorizing policies . That they would stoop that low .....and have so little regard for travellers / tourists?? , Is evidence that they collectively have gone completely mad. and of course don't even know it due to the continuous fear engendering programming they are subjected to via its "media"...
The terrorists won from the moment bush went to war. THAT was what they wanted on the larger scale. After that...all they have to do is sit back and watch the US self destruct as it spends megabucks on "security" systems that make no sense. more megabucks on simultaneous wars . The US reaction was totally predictable ... except for the greed based Iraq invasion based on lies. The so called terror groups......regardless of persuasion..... will always have the element of surprise in their favor plus they have nothing to lose. ( this is that suicidal fanatical group that believes some weird stuff about an afterlife and are willing to give up their life for it and the cause.
Yep.....Bin Laden went to his death KNOWING he and his followers achieved what they went to achieve. Killing him was probably doing him a favor. It is the US that made a fool of itself breaking laws with a targetted assassination. He would have been a lot more unhappy if he had been arrested (like civilized nations do) held in prison on the charges of terrorism and all the laws he broke that come with that. , and maybe brought to trial in world / international court after at least 7 plus years of marinating in prison......
Seems the real issue was that OBL would have revealed a lot of nasty US truths if things went to trial....and it was expedient to simply murder ( pre meditated) the one WITNESS they had to silence. Meanwhile they can use the fear factor to introduce all kinds of stupid laws.
I don't think Canada is any where near as programed by the fear conditioning as the US is...... and if it wants to cope with things in a sensible, reasonable way ....it had better NOT get suckered in by the US fearmongering.
Wanna bet that Norway handles its terror crime in a much more effective and mature manner?? Spain did, The UK did. and you sure don't see them making movies with terrorism as a theme......like the programs from the US are showing with increased monotony. Wait until the OBL movies start coming out?? The US by virtue of its culture will propel (and has already) OBL into history leaving a lot unanswered which in turn perpetuates the myth. of the man......
Yes.......all this goes with that poor elderly lady they embarrassed in their over zealous stupidity at a "check point"
Now folks are seeing fuse strings attached to bombs in female vaginas. Is there no human orifice that they won't probe,& prod in their perversity??
This incident has crossed so many lines it is despicable. Human dignity ...... respect for the elderly has gone right out the window.
Indeed. China's policy of milking the enemy by virtue of it's own economic policy until it's down has obviously been effective.
Only China did the thing of separating political system from economic action.
Watch how many cry-baby dumb north Americans sob about how the government did not protect them while they stupidly voted for candidates financed by corporation, which China will not let in, leading to Armageddon between China government and Western Shareholders.
Ever noticed how like handedness some people are only content if there be something for them to hate.
Some don't feel confident unless all protections are in place to defend.
Then there's the lovers, who got slammed in a trillion ways since the last 34K years.
I'm a science geek, and I need the kind of people capable of besting me up to colonize a new planet.
Did Terrance McKenna ever finish his drawing for the anti gravity machine that was given to him by the spirit of the psilocybin mushroom? Could be useful for getting off planet to another solar system quickly and inexpensively.