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petros

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Immigration from America will transform Canada. There's nothing Canadians can do to stop it. Canada is the new promised land...a land of milk and honey.
It sure is. Obama ,Harper & Calderon are working on standarizing labour mobility through NAFTA /SPP.



Improved labour mobility within Canada and across North America

December, 2008
Many Canadian employers have been feeling the pinch of chronic labour shortages over the past few years and Human Resources and Social Development Canada (HRSDC) and Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism Canada (CIMC) have been responding with various measures to alleviate them. The most recent good news is the expansion of the NAFTA temporary foreign worker program, now granting three year work permits to American and Mexican professionals to work in Canada. In addition, provincial and federal trade ministers recently announced a plan for full labour mobility across the country as of April 2009.

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper has repeatedly stated that the country’s shortage of skilled labour is one of the most significant long-term challenges for Canadian policy-makers. His Conservative government’s goal is to align immigration policy more closely with current labour market shortages, says CIMC Minister Jason Kenney.

In response to this, CIMC recently announced the expansion of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) temporary work permit program, making it easier for Canadian employers to hire and retain American and Mexican professionals. Under the NAFTA program, workers will now be granted temporary work permits of three years in duration. Previously, these work permits had to be renewed every year.

“NAFTA work permits are an excellent option for North American professionals seeking to work in Canada including lawyers, doctors, dentists and teachers. In addition, this will also help Canadian employers remain competitive by ensuring they have access to necessary skilled labour,” stated Minister Kenney. He also highlighted that the duration extension will provide greater continuity and stability for both Canadian employers and foreign workers.

NAFTA was created in 1993 to facilitate trade between Canada, the United States, and Mexico – including the trade of skilled labour. Given Canada’s workforce shortages and its consequent heavy reliance on immigration and foreign workers to maintain its economic growth, there are many career opportunities North of the border for American and Mexican citizens. The three countries have agreed on labour mobility standards for 63 professional occupations, for which professionals can work in another member country without having to re-qualify under the host country’s certification standards.

Canada grants around 5,150 of these temporary work permits every year, most of them to Americans. Americans and Mexicans must have a valid job offer from a Canadian employer to obtain a NAFTA work permit.

Another announcement this month makes it easier for newcomers and established Canadians alike to live and work in different regions across Canada.

By April 2009, Canada will have a truly national labour market, whereby workers in regulated occupations, such as architects, accountants, plumbers, and doctors, will be able to freely move across provincial and territorial borders, without having to be re-certified by the province or territory to which they are relocating before they can start working.

The Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement (TILMA) was signed in Ottawa this month by provincial, territorial, and federal trade ministers as part of Canada’s Agreement on Internal Trade.
“This is an important step forward, and we need to continue to work on removing similar barriers to trade and investment, so we have full trade and labour mobility across the country,” stated British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell, who has been advocating for greater labour mobility in Canada for some time.

This is good news for Canadian immigrants, some of whom need to re-certify themselves for work in Canada upon arrival. If they later wish to move to another province or territory, they will no longer have to repeat this process.

Immigration is an important solution to Canada’s current labour shortages. CIMC has been working to align the immigration system more closely with labour market needs to ensure both the strength of the Canadian economy and the success of new immigrants in Canada.

NAFTA Temporary Work Permits (TN Visas)
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Certain American and Mexican professionals can obtain three year Temporary Work Permits (TN Visas) to live and work in Canada.

The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was created in 1993 to facilitate trade between Canada, the United States, and Mexico – including the trade of skilled labour. Given Canada’s workforce shortages and its consequent heavy reliance on immigration and foreign workers to maintain its workforce growth, there are many career opportunities north of the border for American and Mexican citizens.
The three countries have agreed on labour mobility standards for 63 professional occupations (listed below), for which professionals can work in another member country without having to re-qualify under the host country's certification standards.
To qualify, applicants must be American or Mexican citizens and have a job offer from a Canadian employer in one of the 63 recognized occupations under NAFTA. With the job offer, applicants must apply for a Canadian Temporary Work Permit (TN Visa). This is a fast and relatively simple way for Americans and Mexicans become engaged in the Canadian workforce.
NAFTA’s List of Professionals

General
  • Accountant
  • Architect
  • Computer Systems Analyst
  • Disaster relief Insurance Claims Adjuster
  • Economist
  • Engineer
  • Forester
  • Graphic Designer
  • Hotel Manager
  • Industrial Designer
  • Interior Designer
  • Land Surveyor
  • Landscape Architect
  • Lawyer (including Notary in the Province of Quebec)
  • Librarian
  • Management Consultant
  • Mathematician (including Statistician)
  • Range Manager/ Range Conservationalist
  • Research Assistant (working in a post-secondary educational institution)
Scientific

  • Technician/Technologist
  • Social Worker
  • Sylviculturist (including Forestry Specialist)
  • Technical Publications Writer
  • Urban Planner (including Geographer)
  • Vocational Counsellor
Medical/Allied Professional
  • Dentist
  • Dietitian
  • Medical Laboratory Technologist (Canada)
  • Medical Technologist (Mexico and the United States)
  • Nutritionist
  • Occupational Therapist
  • Pharmacist
  • Physician (teaching or research only)
  • Physiotherapist/Physical Therapist
  • Psychologist
  • Recreational Therapist
  • Registered Nurse
  • Veterinarian
Scientists
  • Agriculturist (including Agronomist)
  • Animal Breeder
  • Animal Scientist
  • Apiculturist
  • Astronomer
  • Biochemist
  • Biologist
  • Chemist
  • Dairy Scientist
  • Entomologist
  • Epidemiologist
  • Geneticist
  • Geologist
  • Geochemist
  • Geophysicist (including Oceanographer in Mexico and the United States)
  • Horticulturist
  • Meteorologist
  • Pharmacologist
  • Physicist (including Oceanographer in Canada)
  • Plant Breeder
  • Poultry Scientist
  • Soil Scientist
  • Zoologist
Teachers
  • College
  • Seminary
  • University
And fruit and veg pickers.

Did they purposefully not mention the fruit and veg pickers?
 

Cliffy

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There needs to be a differentiation between Americans as a people and America as a nation. America is not a free country anymore, it is an oligarchy and it is that oligarchy that are war mongers (the military/industrial complex). The people have been hood winked by a century of brainwashing since birth with the "the greatest country in the world" BS and a corporate controlled media that constantly feeds them BS until they die not knowing that they live in a lie. Canada is in quick pursuit of the American nightmare and the process is accelerating since Harpo got his majority. For all intents and purposes, we have become the 51st state. We are allowed the illusion of independence by the whim of the American oligarchy but that may end very soon.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Don't hate man.....

Now there is a word that the US uses with xtreme prejudice and hypocracy. The discussion is NOT about "hate".....yet that is the usual US fall back immature position. It goes right back to the bush idiocy of "with us or against us".........as if there was no third option of " NEITHER.

When they can't come back with fact , truths ......they hollar " america haters ". Or some other nasty brand. THis is how pre shcool kids act and think. NOT REAL ADULTS.

No one "hates" america or any other nation as such. But there is plenty to dislike about what the US DOES , how it abuses others to fit their own agenda, how it lies and manipulates on the world stage to achieve whatever the current selfish aim is.

America has been built on a MYTH. The MYTH is falling apart.......reality and reason are starting to come through to the collectve ocnsiousness.........and they do NOT WANT ANY PART OF IT. They want their delusions, illusions , Myths and self lies to go on.

About being the "best :" at a few things. Sure. They are the best at weapons and killing. They are the best at owning guns , their love of guns and therefore having the "best" gun shooting incidents on the planet.

They love their drugs and the brain damage they cause. Just watch dr. Drew and see the groups in "recovery " and how even at departure time.......they have trouble stringing words into a sentence.

About the health ........well we all saw how the poor are treated and live during Katrina. Katrina spoke volumes about where the US is now. It was just one of many situations that have been totally mishandled by the US.

There WAS a time during the active progressive space exploraion age...... that the US shone . It was truly an example of scientific progress and change. But its love of and for wars superceded everything. A fellow I know figured out exactly how many years the US has NOT been in one active war or another... And it is a small number of months in its short life span

I am sure that N. Korea brags about THEIR military too. The difference is that N.Korea is what it is and does not pretend to be "humanitarian". If the military , weapons, bombs , killing , torture , rape (of nations and people in the war zone) is something to brag abouit.........go ahead and brag. One can only pitty those as they truly are ignorant of reality.

What about the Hate of Muslims now?? America is not happy unless it has a target to invade, or someone to hate.

The targetted assassination of OBL is an example of how low and bottom feeding the US is now. They Murdered in cold blood an un armed person they accused of masterminding a terror plot .... without any legal procedure , hard evidence or a proper court of law. They murdered him in front of his children........ Knowing he was not armed. They could have so easily captured him and brought him to a civllized court of law and handled it like a civilized nation would. Of course tossing the body into the sea prevented any kind of proper post mortem , and other evidence about his state of health.

How the US can "justify" this kind of barbarism to themselves is beyond comprehension. But it is evident that it ha appointed itself as judge , ;jury and executioner in certan situations. If the US was making a statement and rendering a message to others ...... the only message they gave the world is how low it will go against the most basic legal, moral and ethical principles of humanity. A precident has been set .......at bttom feeder level.

all this has nothing to do with 'hate".......but everything to do with what the US has become. If the flag waving patriots choose not to see the truths........ nothing anyone can do about it.

There needs to be a differentiation between Americans as a people and America as a nation. America is not a free country anymore, it is an oligarchy and it is that oligarchy that are war mongers (the military/industrial complex). The people have been hood winked by a century of brainwashing since birth with the "the greatest country in the world" BS and a corporate controlled media that constantly feeds them BS until they die not knowing that they live in a lie. Canada is in quick pursuit of the American nightmare and the process is accelerating since Harpo got his majority. For all intents and purposes, we have become the 51st state. We are allowed the illusion of independence by the whim of the American oligarchy but that may end very soon.


Agree. It is very concerning to watch Harper sellout bit by bit and base it on HIS own version of "truth". He talks about Canada's individual uniqueness and yet is doing things that are very american like and favor the US.

He would never have had the guts to say NO to the Iraq horror the way Cretien did. That was a moment of sheer pride I had in Canda's position. Of course, america being the mature country it is (NOT)...... Canada got blasted and threatened by the US embassador who seemed to think HE RAN CANADA. THE words from him said everything about how hypocritical the US is. As long as one goes along with it , all is fine. The minute one takes an independant stand.......one gets threatened, called names and as in Iraqis case.........invaded , occupied with the former ally and "friend" (Saddam) being lynched.

Now......... anyone have any questions about how much one can trust the US as a "pal"??? The word trust does not even apply.
 

CUBert

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You're completely right.
Supporting the United States is like watching a bully beat up on a much smaller child and rooting for the bully.
 

ironsides

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There needs to be a differentiation between Americans as a people and America as a nation. America is not a free country anymore, it is an oligarchy and it is that oligarchy that are war mongers (the military/industrial complex). The people have been hood winked by a century of brainwashing since birth with the "the greatest country in the world" BS and a corporate controlled media that constantly feeds them BS until they die not knowing that they live in a lie. Canada is in quick pursuit of the American nightmare and the process is accelerating since Harpo got his majority. For all intents and purposes, we have become the 51st state. We are allowed the illusion of independence by the whim of the American oligarchy but that may end very soon.

You planning on revolting against us? Just wondering about your status based upon what you said.
 

Ocean Breeze

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You sure? If things keep going the way they are America will become the 11th province.


OR , it will become a new state in Mexico. Hmm. They have lots of gun stuff in common. already. Or Canada and Mexico can share the US ......they take the bottom half, Canada takes the top half. That way we get San Francisco and Newyork. I could live with that.;-):lol:
 

Ocean Breeze

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:lol:
When Ted Haggard was caught doing methamphetamines with a gay hooker I cheered and whooped. I don't know how the hell people could possibly think he was straight. Then again everyone thought Liberace was straight too. Haggard says he wet to gayhab and God cured him.
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LOL....... what a hoot. "gayhab" got to remember that. Absolutely excellent.

did someone say something about church and state...;-)

Works for me!

Me too. OK. that issue solved. Next ?? !!;-)

I have been called disgusting though.


um.. was it warranted????;-);-) (just kiddin'. )
 

ironsides

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I have been revolting since the sixties. My independence does not depend on belonging to a country.

Cliffy, When was the last time you lived in the United States to be able to say that we are not a free country anymore. As for myself I have never said anything about what I think about Canada, don't have enough 1st hand information about it. I could make a general statement about it based upon your comments and or other leftist. socialist and self proclaimed independents. But that would be wrong also because there are just like in the United States every political way of thought. Now comes the insult: Canada is no different than the United States, just a wee bit smaller in population.
 

Cliffy

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Cliffy, When was the last time you lived in the United States to be able to say that we are not a free country anymore. As for myself I have never said anything about what I think about Canada, don't have enough 1st hand information about it. I could make a general statement about it based upon your comments and or other leftist. socialist and self proclaimed independents. But that would be wrong also because there are just like in the United States every political way of thought. Now comes the insult: Canada is no different than the United States, just a wee bit smaller in population.
That is not an insult, it is what I have been saying all along - we both live in a corporate dictatorship. Freedom cannot be legislated or won by revolution. It is a state of mind that has nothing to do with politics, flags or constitutions. Attaching your freedom to a country is an oxymoron.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Cliffy, When was the last time you lived in the United States to be able to say that we are not a free country anymore. As for myself I have never said anything about what I think about Canada, don't have enough 1st hand information about it. I could make a general statement about it based upon your comments and or other leftist. socialist and self proclaimed independents. But that would be wrong also because there are just like in the United States every political way of thought. Now comes the insult: Canada is no different than the United States, just a wee bit smaller in population.

that is not an insult. It is close to being a fact.. But Canada is different in several areas. So far......it does not have the same culture of violence , fanatical affection for guns, being over aggressive , an attitude of exceptionalism........that is based on a myth,.

Canada is a LOT more grounded in reality about itself and its place on the planet.

Canada has many of US's GOOD QUALITIES........and is in a position of being objective about what it can incoporate and what to discard.

That is not an insult, it is what I have been saying all along - we both live in a corporate dictatorship. Freedom cannot be legislated or won by revolution. It is a state of mind that has nothing to do with politics, flags or constitutions. Attaching your freedom to a country is an oxymoron.

that is very well said. Bravo !!!! Freedom is not something to be bragged about or external. It is internal. One can choose to entrap onself in any situation and not be psychologically free at all.

by attaching oneself to one country with an extremist patiotism is not being free. at all. Truly free people are tolerant , accepting and realize that with freedom comes a lot more responsibility than flag waving , robotic chanting patriotism.

Many in the US see "freedom" as a tangible , concrete thing. It is not. A person with paralysis can be as "free" as anyone else, by virtue of his /her state of mind and "spirit".

America has lost a lot of its tangible freedoms. The Patriot act sees to that. The US has subjected its own population into security measures that would shock some of the more backward dictatorships . and all because it gave in to the terrorists. It gave into fear. FEAR is what governs the US mentality now. Just go to any airport......and tell a joke about the taliban or somethng......and watch the "gestapo" tactics unfold as you are taken for 'questioning'../ And that is only one example.

The United States is the most feared country around the globe..... Why? because we have control of everything around us.


Spoken like a true dictator. One that loves the power that frightening others gives them. It is SICK. The US is SICK . the US is broke.

IF it is feared........it is because when this empire implodes and it will........it will try to take a lot of others with it.

You don't even have control over your budget, your national debt, your increasing levels of unemployment. Your youth descending into drug hell at ever increasing rates. the increase in poverty and the uneducated.

The only export you have is human slaughter based on greed for other nations resources. You have no regard for the humans you have killed, displaced made homeless or crippled . Your narcississm is over whelming.

WHat is concerning is that you have no intentions of growing up. let alone being a truly RESPONSIBLE nation.

You lilve in fear of your own shadows. You know that you have offended and hurt many nations and peoples. That is how the whole terrorism thing began. People that RESPECT you ......don't want to terrorize you. People who you have abused and hurt want revenge. Just like the revenge you extracted by invading and occupying two nations and then ASSASSINATING OBL in cold blood .......when he should have been arrested and brought to trial like a civilized nation would have done. You murdered your own best witness to terrorism. How stupid is that???
 

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If we went back to the ideas of FDR, Kennedy, and Clinton things would be a lot better than they are today.
 

petros

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If we went back to the ideas of FDR, Kennedy, and Clinton things would be a lot better than they are today.
Funny you mention that. FDR wrote a Bill of Rights that was turned down by Senate, but eventually became the Constitution for Germany Post WWII.

Now Germans have more rights than Americans.
 

gopher

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Funny you mention that. FDR wrote a Bill of Rights that was turned down by Senate, but eventually became the Constitution for Germany Post WWII.

Now Germans have more rights than Americans.


Interesting. Yes, he had great insight into pragmatic politics. And to think - the USA financed the Marshall Plan which ultimately created universal health care in Europe but which is still denied to many in the USA.