Are Mexican Drug Lords Armed by the USA?

Bar Sinister

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Unforgiven said:
Since it's never been done, history can't be on any side at all. But I have to say, you appear like a child boasting on his addition skills put to the test before the black board. In hopes of fooling even the teacher, he goes about talking up a storm of what are obviously wrong answers, faulty analysis and some jibberish about a malfunctioning 3 and the inherent breakdown of mathematical laws when carrying the R and inverting the sum of the product.

Don't kid and kidder son you're only going to get hurt.

I know all about the British government, Indian colonies and the Chinese prohibition on Opium, and those military forces set to make money off the import into China. It has about as much to do with the current topic as apples and armpits.
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I'm sorry, but could you please repeat your post in a form that is coherent enough for me to undertand? Try reading it to yourself and see if you can make head or tales out of it. I can't.
 
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Bar Sinister said:
I'm sorry, but could you please repeat your post in a form that is coherent enough for me to undertand? Try reading it to yourself and see if you can make head or tales out of it. I can't.
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Sure little feller I'll make it simple for you.
You're comparison of the Harm Reduction Approach to drug reform and the Opium Trade in the Far East are so incompatible that you look as though you are just typing out ideas you heard mentioned but have no understanding of their contents nor context.

Further that it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about because of the simple mistakes you've made in your assumptions of what happened back then, and what would work here in the northern half of North America when it comes to the drug trade.

Lastly that attempting such a lack lustre attempt to bull**** your way through a subject in front of a few people who are mastered at the art of B.S. is such a rookie mistake that you should have your posting rights to this thread removed for a week and then only reinstated once you prove you have done a little research on the topic.

Are you able to understand that, or shall I ask Karrie to explain it a few times to you with sock puppets and some pictures?
 
mentalfloss

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Sorry to jump in here, but it should be blatantly obvious the U.S. has some output in arming everyone.
 
Bar Sinister

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Unforgiven said:
Sure little feller I'll make it simple for you.
You're comparison of the Harm Reduction Approach to drug reform and the Opium Trade in the Far East are so incompatible that you look as though you are just typing out ideas you heard mentioned but have no understanding of their contents nor context.

Further that it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about because of the simple mistakes you've made in your assumptions of what happened back then, and what would work here in the northern half of North America when it comes to the drug trade.

Lastly that attempting such a lack lustre attempt to bull**** your way through a subject in front of a few people who are mastered at the art of B.S. is such a rookie mistake that you should have your posting rights to this thread removed for a week and then only reinstated once you prove you have done a little research on the topic.

Are you able to understand that, or shall I ask Karrie to explain it a few times to you with sock puppets and some pictures?
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I believe that your attempt to make a point through the use of insults shows the complete lack of substance in your posts. Your problem is that you think insulting another poster strengthens your arguments. It doesn't. It merely shows that you have run out of intelligent things to say. Reply when you actually have something intelligent to say. I'm sure that if you devote of your intellect to the task you might manage something.
 
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Bar Sinister said:
I believe that your attempt to make a point through the use of insults shows the complete lack of substance in your posts. Your problem is that you think insulting another poster strengthens your arguments. It doesn't. It merely shows that you have run out of intelligent things to say. Reply when you actually have something intelligent to say. I'm sure that if you devote of your intellect to the task you might manage something.
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MY postings don't lack substance. My arguments are strong in fact, so strong that only closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears and whistling a happy tune can manage to keep someone like yourself in the dark over subjects like this one. I have tons of intelligent things yet to add here but I'm not doing that at the moment. You failing to understand even the basic tenants of the harm reduction approach to illegal drugs and the drug policies in both Canada and the US, as it applied to Mexico and points south, prevent even a mention of what is pumped into other countries as "aid". The folly of incarcerating pedlars over violent criminals and supporting organized crime by corruption in command chains.

So in turn, why don't you get some education on the subject, give it a think and then see if there is a point you can jump back into the conversation without making blunders like comparing opium trade wars to the war on drugs.

Colpy said:
Man's natural state is to be armed.

Our fangs are being pulled in a blatant attempt to turn us into sheep........

Don't cha think?? :)
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Through International Narcotics Control programs, the US government provides funds for military equipment and training to overseas police and armed forces to combat the production and trafficking of illegal drugs. These funds are generally dedicated to the export of firearms and the refurbishment of surveillance aircraft, transport planes and helicopters.Additional counter-narcotics training and equipment is provided by the Department of Defense, the Drug Enforcement Agency and other agencies. In recent years, human rights abuses by military and police units receiving this aid - especially in Colombia - have intensified criticism of the program.

I would say they are some well armed sheep then.
 
Bar Sinister

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ironsides said:
Project Gunrunner" scandal

http://www.cbsnews.com:80/video/watch/?id=7357550n&tag=mncol;lst;1


An agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms claims the agency has a policy that allows guns to get in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels. Sharyl Attkisson reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358389n&tag=mg;mostpopvideo


Again Obama breaks laws as he wants to.
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Don't worry, Ironsides; I suspect Unforgiven will be able to ignore this evidence just as he has chosen to ignore all other evidence supporting this thread.
 
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It appears that yes, US arms are making it to Mexico.....with the enthusiastic help of Obama's ATF:

Chris Selley: ATF lets Mexicans die to make the case
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ATF agents watched carefully as people in Arizona bought massive quantities of legal weapons (notably AK-47 assault rifles), knowing they’d be smuggled across the border to Mexico for use by the vicious cartels who compete to satisfy America’s insatiable desire for illegal drugs. That’s not the plan gone wrong, either. That’s the plan as it was designed.
At deadline, acting ATF director Kenneth Melson was facing calls to resign — but sources told The Washington Post he believed he’d done nothing wrong. If that’s true, he doesn’t just need a new job. He needs to be institutionalized and studied by top medical minds.
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ATF agent John Dodson testified before a Congressional investigation that one supervisor, David Voth, would become “jovial, if not … giddy” whenever one of the Fast and Furious guns was recovered in Mexico.
Rank-and-file agents, however, were acutely aware of the deadly potential of their inaction. ATF agent Peter Forcelli told the investigation that every time there was a high-profile shooting — he cited the attempted murder of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in January, and the murder of Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer Jaime Zapata by drug gangsters in Mexico a month later — he and his colleagues held their breath.
“As early as June of last year I predicted to some of my peers in the office that we would be sitting right where we are today in this room,” ATF special agent Larry Alt told Congressional investigators. “Someone was going to die.”
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Chris Selley: ATF lets Mexicans die to make the case | Full Comment | National Post

IDIOTS!!!

From the people that brought you the fiasco with Koresh at Waco........

Never trust anyone that wants your guns.....they are goose-steppers all. Control freaks.........

I do have to take issue with one thing: the number of guns seized in Mexico and traced to the USA. American firearms make up a tiny portion (17% by one estimate) of the firearms seized in Mexico. The 87% number quoted in the article is only the portion of the firearms that are sent to the US for tracing, and that can be traced. The vast majority of the weapons seized are either obviously not from the USA (unaltered full auto AK 47s for example), so are not sent to the USA for tracking, or can not be tracked once sent to BATF. These are not included in the 87% estimate.....which is intended to be misleading, to the same end as the entire "Fast and Furious" operation.....propaganda for the elimination of American gun rights.


The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - FoxNews.com

Most of the guns in Mexico come from illegal shipments of Israeli, Chinese, and Russian military arms brought in from South America.
 
petros

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Have you seen the security in southern Mexico along Guatemala border and Belize border? The only thing coming over that border is birds.
 
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petros said:
Have you seen the security in southern Mexico along Guatemala border and Belize border? The only thing coming over that border is birds.
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Uh huh.

There is a big ocean on either side of Mexico, lots of fishing boats.......

And money (of which the cartels have oodles) opens big holes in any security system. Especially in a place as poor and corrupt as Mexico.

If I offer some $50 a month border guard the choice between $10,000 or a bullet in the head..........well, what would you do??
 
petros

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So you haven't seen the southern border have you?

Colpy said:
If I offer some $50 a month border guard the choice between $10,000 or a bullet in the head..........well, what would you do??
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That's all they pay in the DEA, HLS, DOD or Coast Guard?
 
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No one screws with the money. This is all caused by the war on drugs. People in the US still get all the drugs they want. Guns still get sent from the US to Mexico. People are slaughtered not because people do drugs, but rather because people try to stop the sale of drugs. Those of you who support the drug wars share blame for every death caused by it.
 
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It's no secret that the federal and local police are corrupt. While the US dumps small arms and other gifts into Mexico to battle the war on drugs, plenty of them are redirected to cartels who have plenty of money to pay for them.
 
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the whole problem with legitimizing the drugs is that it would be legitimizing the cartels. the drug induced liberals need to come up with a better solution than wide spread legalization.
 
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