Provo is 80%-90% Mormon... which is what I was talking about. People attending a BYU game I am sure are close to 100% Mormon excluding visiting fans.
And they were wonderful people.
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Provo is 80%-90% Mormon... which is what I was talking about. People attending a BYU game I am sure are close to 100% Mormon excluding visiting fans.
And they were wonderful people.
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The grace I mentioned was GOD'S grace, unmerited mercy, not the civility or graciousness that people should have towards each other. Two completely different things. I'm not in a social situation with Romney, where I have to be gracious or civil towards him. I'm on a forum where one of the things people discuss is the character of such deluded fools.
And the Mormons believe in God's grace and mercy as well. Not only that but they live it. I do not agree with the Book of Mormon and John Smith's teachings. I even kindly turn them away from my door. However from my experience with Mormons they are simply wonderful people.
In Division College Football here in the US... who the heck sits through the whole game cheering their team on while refraining from calling the opposing team and their fans vile names... the Mormons at BYU.
How was I suppose to know that BYU is overwhelmingly Mormon? You just throw out "BYU" and "Utah". You should have clarified a little better, so your quickness to chalk one up on the scoreboard is premature.
I'm sure they're wonderful nice people if you say so, but it by no means makes their beliefs true.
Not when it comes to salvation, which is *key doctrine* in Christianity and practically the entire point to the bible!
Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92)
Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247)
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188)
LOL, I suppose to know what universities they attend and what percentage they make up? Do you know without looking it up?
You wouldn't think Brigham Young University would overwhelmingly be Mormon? It is a Mormon university.
On the contrary... I said Provo Utah... not just Utah. Provo Utah is 80%-90% Mormon and the location of BYU.
I didn't say that and I do not believe the Book of Mormon. But the Mormons are not a cult and my experience with Mormons have always been positive. When I was in Provo the people there were unbelievably nice. You can't get a beer anywhere though except in the hotel and last call is at 10PM. That sucked.
Will God not be gracious to those who do good? You presume to be a judge where it is plainly not your place, by the doctrines of your faith. Following Christ is following God's grace.
Mormons follow Christ. Mormons believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the prophet foretold of in the Old Testament. Mormons accept Jesus Christ as their savior, and believe that they must accept him as their savior to return to God. Mormons believe that God sent to the world his son, who suffered for our sins. Mormons believe Jesus was crucified and resurrected. Mormons believe that the Bible is the word of God. They also believe that God and Jesus appeared before Joseph Smith, and that Jesus brought a message to Joseph.
How do you know to believe the accounts of Paul and not those of Joseph Smith?
They're Christians.
This is the end of my thread jacking.
I dunno, Durka; look what we elected!
Who said sex??:blob4::blob4::blob4::blob4:............C'mon, who said it??
I just wondering how far left Massachusetts is. Is any part of the US actually left wing by international standards?
Having said that, however, it is just possible that Mr. Romney has figured out that American voters may not vote for anyone who does not understand basic science. On the other hand, there is the Mormon problem and the belief that the world is only about 6000 years old.
Hell yeah! Massachusetts is so far left. Where else can a liberal congressman allow a prostitution ring be run out of his apartment, a liberal senator leave a woman to drown in his car and not worry a hoot about being re-elected.
Massachusetts is so liberal and would give any Canadian liberal a run for their money. I honestly believe that Mass liberals are even more liberal than Canadian liberals. At least your Libs for the most part have a shred of common sense.
This is where theology comes into play. Only an idiot would think the earth is 6,000 years old and only an idiot would think that anyone with any level of intelligence would think the earth is 6,000 years old.
I've been told that as a Christian I believe that earth is only thousands of years old by morons who are reaching.
Yes, Mormons believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth 6,000 years ago. lol
Forgive me for not knowing every single university in America. :roll:
Your argument is that Mormonism is not a cult because they're nice people. But being nice accounts for NOTHING when examining Mormonism itself. A lot of Christians are nice people, does that make their beliefs anymore valid? Of course not.
No. Being good does not earn God's grace. Rather, he freely offers it to you, in fact, you could never do enough to earn his grace, because then you could boast! (Ephesians 2:9)
As I already showed, when it comes to salvation, the Mormons add to the Christian doctrine that belief in Joseph Smith as the prophet is an additional requirement to be saved, it's called legalism:
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 18 )
And that's not all they've added, additional legalism is "good works" as a requirement for redemption.
Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92)
Because of their legalism, which btw is the true definition of being "religious", they DENY THE SUFFICIENCY of Christ's death as the SOLE SOURCE for redemption and salvation. Therefore, they are not saved because they simply don't believe in it:
God saved you by his grace ---->when you believed<----. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8
I'm the Christian and you're not. I simply have more authority to speak on the matter of what a Christian is. And further, you presume I'm not to judge, when you obviously don't understand what the bible says about judgment in the first place. It may not be my place to judge or doubt an individual's salvation, but I am perfectly free to judge any religion, philosophy or cult I wish. See the difference?
No its not. One is a verb(following Christ) and one is a noun(God's unmerited mercy). They're two different things, both important to the Christian, but different.
Because what Paul wrote lines up with the rest of God's word. What Joseph Smith wrote CONTRADICTS the rest of God's word - and anything that contradicts the word of God is false.
No they are not. They don't believe in the sufficiency of Jesus Christ and his death/resurrection, the primary point to the bible. They are just as unsaved as an atheist, Muslim or agnostic person.
This will also be the end of my thread jacking, even though I think Romney's other beliefs should be far more closely examined than what he thinks about global warming.
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Just remember, Christianity was considered a cult once upon a time as well.