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[eanassir]

If you want to follow the totally made up sayings of the Quran, fine, that's your right to do so.

Thank you, thank you.

BUT, keep in mind that not one word of it was written until AFTER Mohhammed died.

I answered this in a previous post where I explained the interpretation of the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hillywhen he differentiated between the word قرآن derived from the word "recite" which means the Quran is the recital of Gabriel to Mohammed, who in his turn recited to people; and between the word كتاب which happened after they wrote the Quran on the available parchment, pieces of wood, etc.

That is because Gabriel did not bring down a written book from heaven; but he revealed the ayat of the Quran which he recited to Prophet Mohammed.
Then when such ayat were written down, then it could be called a "written book".
Therefore, when God called it a wirtten book: it means the ayat that were written down.

As in the Quran 2: 2-3

2 الم .​

2 Alif,Lam, Miem.

The explanation: (ReciteTo them, O Mohammed!)

……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

3 ذَلِكَالْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًىلِّلْمُتَّقِينَ​

3 That Scripture, whereof thereis no doubt, guidance to those who ward off [God's punishment.]

The interpretation:

That scripture: indicates the ayat of the Quran revealed before this aya (likesoora 96, 74, 73, 68 ..etc) and your companions wrote it down; so before itswriting down, it is not the “book” or the “writings”, but it is the recitalwhich is what Gabriel recited to Mohammed.

Because Gabriel did not bring down a book from heaven, but he brought the ayatthat he recited to Mohammed who told it to people and they wrote it down sowhen it was written then it can be called a “book”.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/shabaha/2a.htm#(الم_)

The rest of the post will come later on; I hope shortly by God's will.

 

[eanassir]

It hasmore contradictions than the Bible does, by far.

What are these contradictions: namethem by the soora and aya number.

Eitherthat, or virtually every Iman in the world is wrong, when they preach Jihadagainst the Jews and Christians.

I say that, because the QuranREQUIRES that all people of the BOOK must be treated with respect.

Tell us the ayat where this ismentioned.

You doNOT treat people with respect by murdering them. You do not treat such peoplewith respect by forcing them to convert to your religion or die (as all of yourreligion was spread "by the sword", your own religion violated itsown holy book).

Where is this mentioned in theGlorious Quran?

And youcan NOT keep your belief in Jesus if you join Islam.

Any Muslim should believe in JesusChrist as the apostle of God.

Because, to Christians, Jesus is the Son of God, one of theTrinity. And I hate to tell you, but you can not possibly get any"Prophet" on the same level, much less a higher level, than Godhimself. Jesus IS God, just as is the Father and the Holy Spirit.

All the prophets and apostles (includingJesus Christ) admit themselves the servants of God, and they are not overproudover God to admit this.

As in the Quran 4: 172

لَّن يَسْتَنكِفَ الْمَسِيحُ أَن يَكُونَ عَبْداً لِّلّهِ وَلاَ الْمَلآئِكَةُالْمُقَرَّبُونَ وَمَن يَسْتَنكِفْ عَنْ عِبَادَتِهِ وَيَسْتَكْبِرْ فَسَيَحْشُرُهُمْإِلَيهِ جَمِيعًا​

The explanation:
(The Christ will never disdain to be aservant of God,neither will the angels favored [byGod.]

Whosoeverdisdains to serve Him, and waxes proud, He will gather them altogether to Him[in the space.]


As for thosewho believe and do righteous [deeds], He will give their [due] wages, andincrease them still more out of His bounty.


Whereasthose who were disdainful and arrogant, He will punish them with a painfulchastisement, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, any guardian orhelper.)

quran-ayat.co

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Skeptic's Annotated Quran

 

[eanassir]

Skeptic's Annotated Quran

The answer for these claims is included in our website: quran-ayat.co (make search for this, or add www. at the beginning, and put .com in the end)

But this is impossible that you take the words of the adversary for an evidence.
Give any single question, and we can answer it by God's will.

 

[Cliffy]

The answer for these claims is included in our website: quran-ayat.co (make search for this, or add www. at the beginning, and put .com in the end)

But this is impossible that you take the words of the adversary for an evidence.
Give any single question, and we can answer it by God's will.

Yet you cannot or will not answer my question. You are the one afraid of the truth.

 

[petros]

You'll never get to heaven on rollerskates, you'll just roll right past the pearly gates!

 

[Just the Facts]

Keep your faith in Moses and Jesus, then add an additional faith in Mohammed.
Keep your faith in the Torah of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus, then add an additonal faith in the Quran.

Therefore, by believing in Mohammed, you will not lose your belief in Moses and Jesus; because the belief in all the apostles is a must according to the Quran.

quran-ayat.co

You may be more right than you realize. I've read a couple of articles that postulate that Mohammed was actually Jesus. Muhammad means the "praiseworthy one". Theory is, the "Mohammadan" Arabs were originally Christians, an offshoot of a sect (sorry don't recall what they were called) of Chrstians that rejected the Trinity. The theory goes that "Mohammed" was originally a title, not a person, and the title referred to Jesus Christ. Over time the clerics wrote the Koran and Islam evolved / was born.

Smith admitted he lied and everyone just kept believeing anyway.

You're thinking of Stan Marsh.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The answer for these claims is included in our website: quran-ayat.co (make search for this, or add www. at the beginning, and put .com in the end)

But this is impossible that you take the words of the adversary for an evidence.
Give any single question, and we can answer it by God's will.

Yeah, I've seen that site. Makes no more sense than you do, and I know exactly what kind of answers you'll give. But here's the key question: how do you know the Quran is the final revelation from god? And be advised that citing a claim from the Quran to that effect is not a valid argument, you can't cite a book in support of its claims about itself, that's not corroborative evidence and doesn't mean anything.

 

[talloola]

Try subtracting a faith from your faith. Then you're a slave to no one.

wise advice

 

[Cliffy]

Yeah, I've seen that site. Makes no more sense than you do, and I know exactly what kind of answers you'll give. But here's the key question: how do you know the Quran is the final revelation from god? And be advised that citing a claim from the Quran to that effect is not a valid argument, you can't cite a book in support of its claims about itself, that's not corroborative evidence and doesn't mean anything.

I hope you are not holding your breath.

 

[petros]

Yeah, I've seen that site. Makes no more sense than you do, and I know exactly what kind of answers you'll give. But here's the key question: how do you know the Quran is the final revelation from god? And be advised that citing a claim from the Quran to that effect is not a valid argument, you can't cite a book in support of its claims about itself, that's not corroborative evidence and doesn't mean anything.

The third book is part of the first two books. He (the author) is known as the "Comforter" to the Jews and Chrissies and Mo to the Muzzies.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I hope you are not holding your breath.

Nope, I know better than that. Trying to get sense out of religious extremists is usually a losing game, but I keep hoping something might penetrate. Once in my 60-something years I've hit the sweet spot with one of them and got him to start thinking seriously about what he was claiming. He didn't abandon his faith, but he did abandon his belligerent extremism and became much more thoughtful and tolerant, which can only be a good thing. I think he'd probably have got to the same place on his own eventually, he's at least as smart as I think I am, I just got lucky and was able to catalyze it a bit by pointing at some of the signposts on a road he was already on. Aw jeez, what a horrible mixed metaphor. In my defense: it's late and I'm tired, should have gone to bed two hours ago.

But it gave me hope, so I never quit. And I keep remembering a boss I once had. He was a first generation Canadian citizen, Pakistani originally, a devout Muslim, a deeply thoughtful, cultured, and civilized man, and by far the best manager I ever had, everything I know about how to be a good manager I learned from him. We had many long talks about religious issues, because we were both interested in them, and if all Muslims and Christians and Jews and agnostics and atheists were like him, there'd be no problems. That man will forever be the face of Islam to me, and in these days when Muslims are commonly, and falsely, viewed as the enemy in the West, I'm profoundly grateful to have known him. He gave me a perspective I could not otherwise have had.

But I still have no patience with dogmatic extremism.

 

[petros]

No-one has ever taken a clear picture of Bigfoot. Maybe Bigfoot IS blurry even though the photography is perfect? Maybe God set it up so religion and the truth is always blurry like Bigfoot?

 

[eanassir]

citing a claim from the Quran to that effect is not a valid argument, you can't cite a book in support of its claims about itself, that's not corroborative evidence and doesn't mean anything.

This is one of the few points that the new atheists (led by Hitchens and Dawkins) do know by heart.

No, the matter is not like this: I shall let the book defend itself, or in other words: I may display the evidence and the argument of the Quran itself.

 

[eanassir]

The puzzles and ambiguous ayat of theQuran​

The Quran includes puzzles and ambiguous ayat; the adversaries of the Quran go to these ambiguous ayat: the similitudes, and so will be misguided.

E.g. In some ayat, God told us that in Hell the disbelievers will only eat fire in their bellies or stomach; so such disbelievers said: How can man eat unless by his mouth!?


The interpreter explained that such eating of the fire in Hell is because the fire intrudes in their ethereal internal organs: because it is the souls that will enter into Hellto live therein forever; while the material bodies may burn even in theordinary fire in one minute.

This is the aya 4: 10

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَأْكُلُونَ أَمْوَالَ الْيَتَامَى ظُلْمًا إِنَّمَا يَأْكُلُونَ فِي بُطُونِهِمْ نَارًا وَسَيَصْلَوْنَ سَعِيرًا​

The explanation:

(Surely, those who devour the property of orphans unjustly, devour fire in their bellies, and shall broil in a Blaze.)



And this is another aya 2:174

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَشْتَرُونَ بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلاً أُولَئِكَ مَا يَأْكُلُونَ فِي بُطُونِهِمْ إِلاَّ النَّارَ وَلاَ يُكَلِّمُهُمُ اللّهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَلاَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ​

The explanation:

(Those [Jews] who conceal that of the Scripture which God revealed, and purchase a small gain in exchange of it; they [will] eat in their bellies nothing but fire. God shall not speak to them [with greeting] on the Day of Judgment, neither purify them [from sins]; there awaits them a painful chastisement.



These are they who exchange error instead of guidance,and torment instead of paradise; so can they endure the Fire!?)



Moreover, God described Hell fire in the soora 104: 6-7

نَارُ اللَّهِ الْمُوقَدَةُ . الَّتِي تَطَّلِعُ عَلَى الْأَفْئِدَةِ​

The explanation:

([It is] the Fire of [the wrath of]God, kindled [to a blaze.]

Which goes through [souls]reaching [their spiritual] hearts.)



http://www.quran-ayat.com/man

http://www.quran-ayat.com/shabaha/2b.htm#174

http://www.quran-ayat.com/shabaha/4.htm#10

 

[lone wolf]

First off.... Where's the quote key?

The Quran includes puzzlesand ambiguous ayat; and the adversaries of the Quran go to these ambiguousayat: the similitudes, and so will be misguided.

If your Quaran is supposed to be Truth, why are there so many conflicting headgames and unclarities subject to wide interpretation?

 

[eanassir]

If your Quaran is supposed to be Truth, why are there so many conflicting headgames and unclarities subject to wide interpretation?

The reason for revealing the similitudes or the ambiguous ayat of the Quran​

These puzzles were as challenge to the Arab and others,
because they said: Mohammed forged it;

so God told them: I have included puzzles, and you are clever at solving puzzles; in addition Mohammed is one of you: so if you claim that he forged the Quran and invented it from his own,
then do like him and bring about some ayat like the plain ayat in their eloquence, or solve the puzzles that I have inserted in the Quran (because the Arab were eloquent in their language and poetry, and were clever at solving puzzles);

and God told them that He gives them a respite: a considerable period of time: about 1400 years to do that: but they could not do that: neither could they bring about a similar aya to the plain ayat, nor could they solve its puzzles.

Then God told them that He will explain it in the future by the tongue of one of his servants: the Mahdi in the future.
When people will know that it is God That revealed the Quran, and Mohammed only conveyed it to people.

In addition, solving the puzzles in the Quran will be a miracle of the Mahdi who did not graduate at their schools.

Another point: this explanation will be the new revelation; because they claimed the Quran is old and came before 1400 years, so the interpretation will be the new modern revelation.

Moreover, the minds and knowledge of people at that time did not grasp many ideas like the idea of the earth circles around the sun (only this might have been realized by few scientist in the ancient time); in addition to many other disciplines of knowledge that were not understood in the past.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Poe's Law - RationalWiki

 

[eanassir]

This is different: I only display for you the agruments of the Quran.

http://www.mp3quran.net/newMedia.php?id=38&file=http://server11.mp3quran.net/sds/038.mp3

http://server11.mp3quran.net/sds/038.mp3

This is the explanation of the first ayat of this marvelous soora 38

( In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)​

• (Ssad) that means: (Truthful) [i.e. Mohammed is truthful.] : [I swear] (by the Quran including admonitions!)
• But [actually] the non-believers are on arrogance and contradiction.
• And how many a generation before them We destroyed; when they cried [: Run away], but [the angel said:] No time for escaping.
• So they wonder that a warner has come to them from among themselves; and the unbelievers say: "This is a sorcerer telling lies [: for he claimed prophethood.]"
• "Has he made [all] the gods into One God? This is indeed a very astonishing thing."
• And the chiefs of them departed [and said:] "Go and be constant to your gods; [for] this is a thing binding [on us.]"
• "We have not heard of this in the other religions; this is surely [something] invented [by Mohammed.]
• "So has the 'admonition' [: the Quran] been revealed to him out of us all?" But actually they are in doubt of My admonition. In fact they have not yet suffered My chastisement.)

 

[petros]

No-one has ever taken a clear picture of Bigfoot. Maybe Bigfoot IS blurry even though the photography is perfect? Maybe God set it up so religion and the truth is always blurry like Bigfoot?

What does the Quran say about Bigfoot?