No, because as I said, I would support reform regardless of the party that got the majority.
Parliamentary page sacrifices her job for anti-Harper protest
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No, because as I said, I would support reform regardless of the party that got the majority.
We can go round and round on this all day and not get anywhere. What I do believe that we can agree on is that you have not brought up this issue in the past when the results were favorable to you; it's fair to say that it's a big deal now that the federal election has come/gone (but interestingly, it wasn't an issue for you last election).
Could you explain your logic behind this and can we stop wasting time you just admit you're pulling all of this out of your ass?
mentalfloss, I suppose I could be a lazy slug, use acronym and/or abbreviation and refer to you as MF, but it might be misconstrued.
Frankly these Parliamentarians, with their $154m salaries, tax free allowances, pensions that will put them on easy street if they get re-elected once.. all for putting the rest of us in the poorhouse. It's not Brigitte that is stinking up Parliament.. it's these bums we elected. Anyway she's kind of cute, a lot nicer to look at than Harper's ugly mug. It's the first snippet of Parliament that i haven't clicked off before the first word got out in a long time. 
I lied.
Well, not really.....not my words, but Mark Steyn's.
Read it.
Hell, I'm gonna bring it here, it says it all.....
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/4136/26/
"Miss DePape applied to be one of the 15 young Canadians who get chosen by Black Rod (for American readers: don't worry, it's an ancient parliamentary title, not a porn star from the Seventies) to intern as pages as the Canadian Senate. So take a look at this picture of last week's Throne Speech in Ottawa: The Governor-General is reading out the government's program, and Miss DePape steps in front of him to hold up for the cameras her own ingenious substitution for representative government: A "STOP HARPER" sign. When she's removed from the chamber, she's ready with a press release and a publicist to book media appearances. She says Canada needs its own "Arab Spring".
What, you mean with virginity tests for female protesters?
Much of the commentariat are inclined to give Miss DePape a pass, or applaud her "passion" and "commitment". She is said to have had several job offers, doubtless from bodies largely funded by Canadian taxpayers. For those of us in what remains of the private sector, I can think of few people I’d be less likely to hire than a pampered beneficiary of a leisurely navel-gazing pseudo-education too stupid and self-absorbed at the age of 21 to be able to tell the difference between Mubarak's Cairo and Harper's Ottawa. Miss DePape is a student at the University of Ottawa, a seat of “learning” where those with dissenting views are prevented from speaking by mobs of “Conflict Studies Majors” approaching early middle-age egged on by a cowardly and illiterate faculty. It never seems to occur to the western world’s elderly “youth” to ask: What’s holding the joint up? How many small, dull, bigoted people going off to dreary, boring jobs every morning do there have to be to fund me and my fellow solipsistic ninnies sitting around all day into my mid-twenties chanting pap slogans that haven’t been edgy or iconoclastic for four decades?
The west is facing not an Arab spring but a long bleak winter of post-prosperity discontent. I don’t think the likes of Brigette DePape will adapt very well – and I would wager their disenchantment with responsible government will grow. As for the Muslim Brotherhood so for stunted morons like Miss DePape: The democratic process is legitimate only if you vote for the approved side."
Well, not really.....not my words, but Mark Steyn's.
Read it.
.
Hell, I'm gonna bring it here, it says it all.....
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/4136/26/
"Miss DePape applied to be one of the 15 young Canadians who get chosen by Black Rod (for American readers: don't worry, it's an ancient parliamentary title, not a porn star from the Seventies) to intern as pages as the Canadian Senate. So take a look at this picture of last week's Throne Speech in Ottawa: The Governor-General is reading out the government's program, and Miss DePape steps in front of him to hold up for the cameras her own ingenious substitution for representative government: A "STOP HARPER" sign. When she's removed from the chamber, she's ready with a press release and a publicist to book media appearances. She says Canada needs its own "Arab Spring".
What, you mean with virginity tests for female protesters?
Much of the commentariat are inclined to give Miss DePape a pass, or applaud her "passion" and "commitment". She is said to have had several job offers, doubtless from bodies largely funded by Canadian taxpayers. For those of us in what remains of the private sector, I can think of few people I’d be less likely to hire than a pampered beneficiary of a leisurely navel-gazing pseudo-education too stupid and self-absorbed at the age of 21 to be able to tell the difference between Mubarak's Cairo and Harper's Ottawa. Miss DePape is a student at the University of Ottawa, a seat of “learning” where those with dissenting views are prevented from speaking by mobs of “Conflict Studies Majors” approaching early middle-age egged on by a cowardly and illiterate faculty. It never seems to occur to the western world’s elderly “youth” to ask: What’s holding the joint up? How many small, dull, bigoted people going off to dreary, boring jobs every morning do there have to be to fund me and my fellow solipsistic ninnies sitting around all day into my mid-twenties chanting pap slogans that haven’t been edgy or iconoclastic for four decades?
The west is facing not an Arab spring but a long bleak winter of post-prosperity discontent. I don’t think the likes of Brigette DePape will adapt very well – and I would wager their disenchantment with responsible government will grow. As for the Muslim Brotherhood so for stunted morons like Miss DePape: The democratic process is legitimate only if you vote for the approved side."
I'm thinking that "the right place" might be when she's at the altar exchanging vows.... I wonder if she thinks that would be appropriate?
It would be nice if such a debate could actually be had without resorting to demagogy.
So long as there is a winning side, and a losing side, most calls for reform will be met with claims of sour grapes, how intellectually bankrupt that is. There are merits to reform of our democratic process.
So long as there is a winning side, and a losing side, most calls for reform will be met with claims of sour grapes, how intellectually bankrupt that is. There are merits to reform of our democratic process.
Like you would even get off the couch to protest something. lol
Protest should be where and when the protester deems suitable. The police will move a protester off anyway even if they protest in a government sanctioned protest area on a government sanctioned day at a government sanctioned time so that being the case, anywhere and every where is the appropriate place to protest.
She got her message across, huge amount of media exposure that even Harpod people couldn't shout down. 21 year old slip of a girl makes her debut with a master stroke of timing and precession rarely seen in the past.
For this clown, I'll gladly get off my ass and do one better, I'll paint the protest banner across my ass and provide my valuable message and expression of free speech for all the wedding guests.
I'll also wait, in the form of a peaceful sit-in for the local police to remove me from the facilities.
I to will get my message across with a master stroke of timing and uncanny precision that will be effective and efficient in demonstrating the virtues of peaceful protest.
Ummmm... Yeah.
Go back and read the thread, really read it then get back in the game. OK?
You're assuming, without any good reason, that mentalfloss hasn't supported proportional representation before this election. He's on record in another thread, as saying he has supported this form of electoral reform since 1998.
I'd take someone's stated view over proclamations by someone else, unless of course you have something other than baseless assumptions. The timing is related to...this current event.
Well you say you will but we both know that is the difference between you and a little girl named Bridgette.
She does where you talk.
Yea, I really have no idea what he's clamouring on about.
Getting schooled by a 21-year old artsy fartsy alter girl must really be a kick to the balls for him.
It was at least a decent distraction from the article I posted on the last page...
Senate page's protest courageous
During the reading of the throne speech, she quietly stood in the midst of the Senate floor holding a mock red road sign that read: "Stop Harper!" While her choice of place and means to display her discontent with the current government may be debatable, she is undoubtedly expressing the frustration of 60 per cent of Canadians who did not vote for Conservative candidates, who see their public policy priorities and choices increasingly displaced from the government agenda.
During the reading of the throne speech, she quietly stood in the midst of the Senate floor holding a mock red road sign that read: "Stop Harper!" While her choice of place and means to display her discontent with the current government may be debatable, she is undoubtedly expressing the frustration of 60 per cent of Canadians who did not vote for Conservative candidates, who see their public policy priorities and choices increasingly displaced from the government agenda.
On a previously prepared news release, DePape wrote: "Harper's agenda is disastrous for this country and for my generation. "We have to stop him from wasting billions on fighter jets, military bases and corporate tax cuts while cutting social programs and destroying the climate.
This reform raises the prospect of a political process where private money determines who is able to run a campaign and be elected, as is the case in the United States.
The ultimate irony is that DePape's action was condemned by government officials as a display of contempt of Parliament.
So the same party found in contempt of Parliament last March is now concerned about appropriate parliamentary procedure. The difference, of course, is that for the current government, parliamentary decorum is more important than parliamentary democracy. The form matters more than the substance.
Senate page's protest courageous
We should really tackle these instead of just quibbling about her actions..
1.) Parliamentary decorum is more important than democracy in the current government
2.) Private money can determine election outcomes like the U.S. (where they are trying to get away from private campaign funding now)
3.) 60% of Canadians didn't vote for the current majority (which shows why FPTP is stupid)
Well everyone needs a hero there Bonnie... I mean Cliffy.
YouTube - "I Need a Hero", by Bonnie Tyler
It's interesting. If Mark Steyn puts more effort into belittling Brigitte DePape, the more useless and irrelevant he makes her out to be. Eventually does she not get belittled to a point where she is too irrelevant to be even commented on? And yet in order to get to that point, the effort and attention must be expended. In a way, Mark Steyn mocking her and people like her makes her more important simply by spending so much time explaining how she isn't.
