NATO Air Strike Kills 12 Children in Afghanistan

[ironsides]

Would be nice to get the truth the first time and not have them forced into it because someone actually reported it to the public. You don't believe they would hide it if they could?

I also love the term 'insurgent'. Nowhere in the definition does it say anything about people defending their homeland from a foreign invasion force.

in·sur·gent   
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–noun
1.
a person who rises in forcible opposition to lawful authority, especially a person who engages in armed resistance to a government or to the execution of its laws; rebel.
2.
a member of a section of a political party that revolts against the methods or policies of the party.

I am one of those who believe let the military do their job, and not report to civilians how it was done. This should solve the those who want to stand up to us problem. The Afghanistan had their chance, turn over OBL or face the consequences. They chose the later.

YouTube - Vance AFB JSUPT Video

 

[mentalfloss]

I am one of those who believe let the military do their job, and not report to civilians how it was done. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=wbV3lf1HzQI&vq=medium#t=18

But this would mean that they wouldn't be held accountable for irresponsible actions like mindlessly bombing a house without knowing who's in it.

 

[petros]

Peacekeeping Force. You didn't keep much PEACE did you.

Orders not to engage... excuses excuses. Why did you bother going?

Punked by thugs. Nice job




From the guy that thinks everything is a conspiracy and thinks Socialist Revolutions bring freedom.



YOU were in charge of the whole force. Canadian Lt. General Dallaire was in charge. So who was giving the orders?

Face it... you dropped the ball.

You stepped aside and let genocide happen.

Suck it up and face facts.



The deaths of 800,000 civillians whom you were sent to protect is not a failure?!

We're Dutch?

I am one of those who believe let the military do their job, and not report to civilians how it was done. This should solve the those who want to stand up to us problem. The Afghanistan had their chance, turn over OBL or face the consequences. They chose the later.

YouTube - Vance AFB JSUPT Video

That's what they do in dictatorships. We live in a Democracy.

Operation Enduring Freedom. The Afghanis have been enduring the Western moronic version of Freedom for 100 years now. I'd say that is pretty damn enduring all right.

 

[ironsides]

But this would mean that they wouldn't be held accountable for irresponsible actions like mindlessly bombing a house without knowing who's in it.

About right, but if you sending someone out to kill another, better you don't know how, just that the job was done. If you don't like that, might think twice or thrice about doing it in the first place. Why should anyone be held accountable for irresponsible actions (they are the ones putting their lives on the line because we told them to.), it is easy to say what is or what isn't irresponsible when your not there.

 

[EagleSmack]

We're Dutch?

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This is the second time you said that. What do you mean?

 

[mentalfloss]

About right, but if you sending someone out to kill another, better you don't know how, just that the job was done. If you don't like that, might think twice or thrice about doing it in the first place. Why should anyone be held accountable for irresponsible actions (they are the ones putting their lives on the line because we told them to.), it is easy to say what is or what isn't irresponsible when your not there.

Don't post on internet forums then.

 

[PoliticalNick]

About right, but if you sending someone out to kill another, better you don't know how, just that the job was done.

Better yet not to send someone to kill people.

Why should anyone be held accountable for irresponsible actions

Do you really believe this is a legitimate question??? We will have to save this post for when somebody irresponsibly runs you over and you want to hold them accountable.

(they are the ones putting their lives on the line because we told them to.)

I didn't tell them to do anything, if it was by my direction they would all be at home still.

 

[ironsides]

Better yet not to send someone to kill people.


Do you really believe this is a legitimate question??? We will have to save this post for when somebody irresponsibly runs you over and you want to hold them accountable.

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Why should anyone be held accountable for irresponsible actions (they are the ones putting their lives on the line because we told them to.). Try using the whole quote when you quote me. And yes you absolve yourself of all responsibility for the actions of your military..

 

[PoliticalNick]

Why should anyone be held accountable for irresponsible actions (they are the ones putting their lives on the line because we told them to.). Try using the whole quote when you quote me. And yes you absolve yourself of all responsibility for the actions of your military..

I don't care if it's a military personnel or your average Joe, irresponsible is irresponsible. If it is some private following orders then the officer that gave the order should be held accountable. A uniform is not a free pass to f*ck up or do whatever you please.

 

[JBeee]

NATO Spurns Karzai Call to Stop Attacking Civilian Homes

Jason Ditz May 31, 2011

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has once again delivered a warning to NATO in the wake of deadly NATO air strikes over the weekend, cautioning that the alliance must stop bombing civilian homes in Afghanistan.

NATO, for its part, spurned the demand, saying that attacking Afghan homes was “necessary” and would continue going forward.

They also claimed that the Afghan government has no right under the UN mandate for Afghanistan to forbid attacks on civilian targets.

Former Afghan General Helauddin Helal concurred with this, saying it was “not realistic” for Karzai to demand the end such attacks, saying that the UN mandate gave the troops the right to “conduct any kind of attack.”

Karzai warned that the continuation of such attacks would put NATO at the risk of being “viewed as an occupying force.”

This is perhaps the least of NATO’s concerns, particularly a decade into the occupation of Afghanistan, but points to a growing discontent at the way they carry on this occupation.

 

[Unforgiven]

On the other hand Al Qaeda air plane strikes on the twin towers killed 3000 civilian men women and children so who has the right to complain here?

 

[gerryh]

You're right unf, the people of Afghanistan should just buck up, step forward with their children, and allow NATO to kill them. After all, AQ killed 3,000 people 10 years ago.

 

[ironsides]

WARSAW, Poland – A military court on Wednesday acquitted seven Polish soldiers in the killing of Afghan civilians in a 2007 attack in which they opened mortar and machine-gun fire on a village in Afghanistan.
Prosecutors had charged them with war crimes in the first such case in Poland, but a five-judge panel ruled there was not enough evidence to support those charges.
The defendants had argued that the casualties caused by the mortar and machine-gun attack on the Afghan village of Nangarkhel on Aug. 16 were accidental. They said they had been targeting Taliban extremists and that the civilians were killed by mistake in the confusion of war.
The defense made the case that it can sometimes be hard for soldiers to distinguish between civilians and extremists in Afghanistan, where 1,600 Poles belong to the NATO mission.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110601/ap_on_re_eu/eu_poland_afghanistan_killings


For you would be critics, woosies (those who are just useless, irrelevant or completely lame.)
etc., this explains it all. You can cry about what is happening all you want, you have a better way to solve the problem by all means volunteer, get involved and stop complaining about how others who are involved are doing it.

 

[PoliticalNick]

WARSAW, Poland – A military court on Wednesday acquitted seven Polish soldiers in the killing of Afghan civilians in a 2007 attack in which they opened mortar and machine-gun fire on a village in Afghanistan.
...
The defense made the case that it can sometimes be hard for soldiers to distinguish between civilians and extremists in Afghanistan, where 1,600 Poles belong to the NATO mission.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110601/ap_on_re_eu/eu_poland_afghanistan_killings


For you would be critics, woosies (those who are just useless, irrelevant or completely lame.)
etc., this explains it all. You can cry about what is happening all you want, you have a better way to solve the problem by all means volunteer, get involved and stop complaining about how others who are involved are doing it.

So why are we prosecuting this war at all then? AQ obviously were after a few specific targets in the WTC but had trouble distinguishing 1 white guy from another so just killed them all. Seems to be a legitimate defense according to this case.

What a f*cking joke of an excuse!!! 'They all look the same so we killed them all'

 

[CUBert]

On the other hand Al Qaeda air plane strikes on the twin towers killed 3000 civilian men women and children so who has the right to complain here?

That's not where it started.

 

[darkbeaver]

Nobody should be surprised or shocked that women and children are the prime targets in war. Always it has been the norm, destroy the hearths and homes and the enemy will sicken and die. Cold blooded brutal murder in war is never an accident.

 

[Unforgiven]

You're right unf, the people of Afghanistan should just buck up, step forward with their children, and allow NATO to kill them. After all, AQ killed 3,000 people 10 years ago.

They're very lucky people that they have a country that believes in trying to limit civilian casualties.

There are plenty of people in Afghanistan and Pakistan who know someone that is a terrorist. While they don't work to actively help them they don't lift a finger to have them arrested by the police. So if they sympathize with terrorists then I don't have much pity for them. If we can manage to root out terrorists among us, so can they, they choose to be corrupt police, corrupt politicians, corrupt military personnel and neighbours who choose to look away when they know what they see and know what is going to happen to other civilian women and children.

Now I know that it's just not fair to ask Afghans and Pakistanis to do the same as us but they too should just buck up. If they don't want sh!t they shouldn't start sh!t.

Maybe telling assholes they can't use you're house as a base to hide from our military who has to go there to track these guys down. Maybe choosing not to be a scumbag and run hide behind women and children then cry with great inconsolable sorrow when they get blown up in the fire fight.

 

[JBeee]

"If they don't want sh!t they shouldn't start sh!t.".....

Tell that to NATO, and Americans in general. What goes around will surely come around ie the revenge attacks of 9/11.

 

[JBeee]

Just reading your response now and can`t make out your opinion, rts. True that our soldiers are ordered to shoot. but at what? Anyone wearing a rag around his or her head within Afghan borders?

Was or is there a difference when those same previously bombarded foreign country-men, women and children decided to lash back and take out whom-ever...on that memorable day (we just can`t seem to shut-up about), any different than our actions today or previous to?

Aside from the favorable media coverage, or lack there of, is there a difference?

If the scumbags stopped using the general population to hide behind this sort of crap wouldn't happen nearly as much.

Then again consider the source. Jason Ditz.

 

[PoliticalNick]

They're very lucky people that they have a country that believes in trying to limit civilian casualties.

Yep, real lucky to get bombed regularly. :roll:

There are plenty of people in Afghanistan and Pakistan who know someone that is a terrorist. While they don't work to actively help them they don't lift a finger to have them arrested by the police. So if they sympathize with terrorists then I don't have much pity for them. If we can manage to root out terrorists among us, so can they, they choose to be corrupt police, corrupt politicians, corrupt military personnel and neighbours who choose to look away when they know what they see and know what is going to happen to other civilian women and children.

Your too funny. That sounds just like the good old US of A.