Catholics blame Woodstock for abuse!!

gerryh

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Personally, I don't think that anything the Church did would make the haters happy. The only thing that would make them truly happy would be for the Church to "shut it down".

The Catholics need to have some power in their church with a vote even for the Pope
himself.


I'm only going to address this little tidbit. The answer would be a very loud NO!!!!!
 

PoliticalNick

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Here's the thing, if it's not illegal in a particular jurisdiction, who exactly do you expect the Church to report to?

That's not what I am getting at. The statement said they would report incidents if it was required y law for them to report it, not if there are laws against the abuse. Like I said before, I know in BC certain professions, teachers and doctors and social workers, are required by law to report any abuse, we have a law mandating they report it, a private citizen is not required to report it even though most would. I do not know if other jurisdictions have similar requirements and I don't know if that requirement includes clergy.

So as a hypothetical, we know child abuse is illegal in Manitoba but say they don't have a legal requirement for the clergy to report knowledge of any incidents, the statement from the church implies they won't report it since they are not legally bound to.

That is why I question the statement and if you think it should have been a blanket that all incidents are reported whether there is a legal requirement or not.
 

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Petros you are right there has been abuse in the ranks of other groups of Christians as well.
What most people gloss over is the priests and their Bishops and anyone else who hides
them are nothing more than common criminals.
Gerryh no I do not want to see the church shut down I want them to clean up their act and
start behaving properly. The current leadership is useless they are part of the problem.
years ago the very Pope that sits on the golden throne as it were was in charge of doing
something about this problem and he swept it under the rug. The background of this guy
leave everything to be desired as well. Is it not true he was once a member of the Hitler Youth?
Right after WWII and during the last days of the Third Reich, the Vatican had people sympathetic
to the Nazi Movement, and slipping war criminals out through what was called Odessa,
like Harriet Tubman's underground railroad, the Vatican played a significant role in helping
criminals escape. Down through history this organization disgraced itself. In the 12Th century,
Pope Gregory sold shares to get into heaven as he collected money to build St Peters.
It is time for the Church to be cleaned up and only the respectful members of the church can
do it, therefore there must be democratic participation and ordinary members assume the real
power and change the direction from what it is now.
To answer to your statement, no I do not want to see the church shut down, but I want it down
sized and forced to obey the laws of the land like any other group,
 

petros

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Is it not true he was once a member of the Hitler Youth?

Right after WWII and during the last days of the Third Reich, the Vatican had people sympathetic
to the Nazi Movement, and slipping war criminals out through what was called Odessa,
Yup. Just like 95% of the other German boys a the time.

Thanks to Odessa and Paperclip, science was liberated.
 

PoliticalNick

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Petros you are right there has been abuse in the ranks of other groups of Christians as well.
What most people gloss over is the priests and their Bishops and anyone else who hides
them are nothing more than common criminals.
Gerryh no I do not want to see the church shut down I want them to clean up their act and
start behaving properly. The current leadership is useless they are part of the problem.
years ago the very Pope that sits on the golden throne as it were was in charge of doing
something about this problem and he swept it under the rug. The background of this guy
leave everything to be desired as well. Is it not true he was once a member of the Hitler Youth?
Right after WWII and during the last days of the Third Reich, the Vatican had people sympathetic
to the Nazi Movement, and slipping war criminals out through what was called Odessa,
like Harriet Tubman's underground railroad, the Vatican played a significant role in helping
criminals escape. Down through history this organization disgraced itself. In the 12Th century,
Pope Gregory sold shares to get into heaven as he collected money to build St Peters.
It is time for the Church to be cleaned up and only the respectful members of the church can
do it, therefore there must be democratic participation and ordinary members assume the real
power and change the direction from what it is now.
To answer to your statement, no I do not want to see the church shut down, but I want it down
sized and forced to obey the laws of the land like any other group,
Grumpy...you forgot to mention the Spanish inquisition. That was another stellar highlight of the church doing good things.
 

Unforgiven

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Personally, I don't think that anything the Church did would make the haters happy. The only thing that would make them truly happy would be for the Church to "shut it down".




I'm only going to address this little tidbit. The answer would be a very loud NO!!!!!

Rape, molestation and abuse are what they are. If the Church is concerned more with how it looks on them when the truth is established then it's not much of a religion anyway. Pedophiles and rapists don't change after a good talking to. They need to be segregated for life. That the Church has spent so much time covering up and in denial that was a problem and now that any of it is the fault of the Church shows just how far it has fallen off from the actual principles of the religion.
 

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I do not think it has to do with celibacy as pedophiles have been active for thousands of years throughout all belief systems and religions.

My sister is Jehovah Witness and learned to NEVER leave her children...not for one second...with any elder, or church member, whether male or female. If she could not be present then the children did not attend that function.

All christian sects are well known for sexual abuse of children but they are not the only ones.

(from Talmud and other jewish religion books)
Traditionally, pedophilia was accepted in Judaism though I do not think it is openly practised today.
Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”
Sanhedrin 54b. – A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Sanhedrin 55b- A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years “and a day” old).

The Anglicans are able to marry, as in all other Christian-based sects, and these are well known for pedophilia and corruption. Marriage does not solve the deep-based psychological problems which motivate the behaviour.

Islam has its own share of the same and is well known for sexual abuse of boys, girls and rape of women.

Unitarianism: no religion or cult is excluded from this scourge of darkness.

Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! "A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age." Hinduism has promoted child-rape/pedophilia for centuries.

Buddhism is not innocent either. Pedophilia is entrenched for many centuries as formalized sexual relationships were the norm between boy monks and adult monks.

The one trait that is shared by these men is that they are convinced they are powerful and deserving to have every aberrant whim fulfilled to sate their dark desires. The welfare of their prey does not enter into the picture. Many become imams, priests, ministers or rabbis in order to be in a trusted position of authority over children and adults so they can have ready access to a large pool of potential victims.

Religions are men's clubs, safe havens for pedophiles and rapists. Quote from a prison psychologist, "They are crazy beyond repair and have the constant desire to hurt women and children. No amount of prayer or psychotherapy is going to change their desire to reoffend." A police officer once said, "They hide behind the man of the cloth (clergy)."

Let us not ignore the Charlie Mansons, the Children of God, Scientology, Order of the Solar Temple, Branch Davidians (Koresh), Unification Church or Jim Jones abuse of and massacre of those men, women and children who were unfortunate enough to follow him. There are so many, many more venues for these predators to excel at their chosen vice. This post doesn't even scratch the surface.

Religions are men's clubs, safe havens for pedophiles and rapists. A prison psychologist once told me, "They are crazy beyond repair and have the constant desire to hurt women and children. No amount of prayer or psychotherapy is going to change their desire to reoffend." A police officer once told me, "They hide behind the man of the cloth (clergy)."

Then there are the sports coaches, educators, medical professionals and daycare centres which attract the pedophiles.

It is about control, abuse of power and betrayal of trust. Pedophilia, rape and sexual abuse is prevalent throughout our world and throughout the centuries global societies have ignored this issue.
 
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That's an awfully long post to excuse the catholics for covering up and allowing child abuse. Why didn't you just say I excuse them for all their sins and support them covering it all up instead of giving half a page of drivel.
 

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That's an awfully long post to excuse the catholics for covering up and allowing child abuse. Why didn't you just say I excuse them for all their sins and support them covering it all up instead of giving half a page of drivel.
Is this more of that serious debate?

I read the same post, it wasn't drivel, and he certainly didn't excuse anyone.

What he did do, was condemn anyone that commits the act.

Perhaps you suffer from some comprehension issues.
 

DaSleeper

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Naaah!!!!!



:lol:
 

lone wolf

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That's an awfully long post to excuse the catholics for covering up and allowing child abuse. Why didn't you just say I excuse them for all their sins and support them covering it all up instead of giving half a page of drivel.
Nick, where did you read "excuse them"? I read quite a few examples that predate Woodstock by a few years. Comm meant what?
 

PoliticalNick

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Is this more of that serious debate?

I read the same post, it wasn't drivel, and he certainly didn't excuse anyone.

What he did do, was condemn anyone that commits the act.

Perhaps you suffer from some comprehension issues.
The first act to excuse someone for their actions is to say "look, all those people are doing it too".

It is complete drivel because we are talking about the catholics making excuses for the actions of their clergy and covering up for them and even helping them to continue. We are not talking about how it was viewed by other religions hundreds or even thousands of years ago.
 

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The first act to excuse someone for their actions is to say "look, all those people are doing it too".
No, he exampled abhorrent acts throughout all religions, and time.

Something people with blinders and a blind hate on, like to ignore.

It is complete drivel because we are talking about the catholics making excuses for the actions of their clergy and covering up for them and even helping them to continue.
1, The study didn't make excuses, it was an attempt to explain why.

2, They aren't hiding it, they did a study on it. That's a terrible way to hide something.

We are not talking about how it was viewed by other religions hundreds or even thousands of years ago.
Gawd forbid we not focus on a group you obviously need hate.

I only needed to read the opening and the ending, to fully grasp, what he was saying, and i don't seem to be alone in the opinion...

I do not think it has to do with celibacy

It is about control, abuse of power and betrayal of trust. Pedophilia, rape and sexual abuse is prevalent throughout our world and throughout the centuries global societies have ignored this issue.
 

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The first act to excuse someone for their actions is to say "look, all those people are doing it too".

It is complete drivel because we are talking about the catholics making excuses for the actions of their clergy and covering up for them and even helping them to continue. We are not talking about how it was viewed by other religions hundreds or even thousands of years ago.
Just remember.... You are the yardstick by which you gauge others....
 

PoliticalNick

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Just remember.... You are the yardstick by which you gauge others....
You're right, and since I don't molest children and would never cover up for anyone who did or help them continue by providing them with new victims and take responsibility for my actions without making excuses I can judge the catholic church against that and hold them in the highest contempt.
 

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You're right, and since I don't molest children and would never cover up for anyone who did or help them continue by providing them with new victims and take responsibility for my actions without making excuses I can judge the catholic church against that and hold them in the highest contempt.
Can we judge Islam by the same standard?
 

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unFreakin' believable! That has to be the biggest cop out of all time.

Sexual deviancy in the church has been there almost since the beginning. It corresponds to sexual deviancy in society in general, and aristocracy in particular (since many of the upper echelons of the clergy came from the aristocracy) for the past 2 thousand years.

Cliffy, it was Woodstock that did it for us. The church was just the modern messenger. (Woodstock = Sodom and Gomorra) :lol: