I see that as blatant racism and ignorant paranoia. Just like your feelings about Israel.
You and this pilot have a lot in common.
Fire the bastard
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You and this pilot have a lot in common.
Judging by how much traffic there is on this beautiful shopping day, I have doubts that people are afraid of terrorists.
And we love to shop, we're gluttons for shopping... Terrorist attacks couldn't stop us shopping.... I imagine a terrorist could blow himself up inside a mall and like drones we wouldn't even flinch, ..*as residue and smoke clears from the air* "... How much did you say that dress was?"
Have you been to an airport lately. They are malls that planes land and take off from.
Planes cause more paranoia for Americans, no terrorist has bombed a shopping mall yet, that I know of... Yet, Americans never will get over the paranoia of their planes being hijacked.
That would depend if they were wearing all black, had ringlets and wide brim hats. They kinda look scary. They could easily pack an AK47 under that garb.
You are going to see more and more of this as America is becoming more and more
anti Muslim especially in the south. There are cases where entire communities are
demonstrating to prevent Mosques and other institutions being established in their
midst. This is about to become an election issues and if the social right movements
have their way, constitution be damned. And before some get upset about me talking
about the radical right, they are crazy, and so is the radical left.
If you look at Europe there are nationalistic groups in Britain, Holland, Germany, France
and Belgium that want these people deported because they don't fit in. Now its fine to
say the pilot should be fired, and there may be Merritt for that but look at the other concern.
The pilot is responsible for his passengers, if he feels there are those who may be a risk
to those passengers, he is the captain who is in charge of his craft.
Secondly more and more passengers are becoming vocal about being on flights with a
society they don't trust. I personally don't care, I fly with people in traditional dress and
think well they got clearance just like I did. But then I am not afraid of people who are
different, or as some say the people with the funny hats. We live in a society where there
is diversity, as long as they don't complain about me I don't care what they do or think.
The problem is much deeper than a pilot refusing to fly. I shows the level of fear the
governments have instilled in people. We are returning to a time of the old hatred and
bigotry that once dominated the landscape. Don't think so?
First it was Black People, then native Indians, then the Irish, and the after that the Eastern
Europeans, the Italians, the Chinese, the Japanese, then it was the Doukhobors and the
list went on and on. For nearly four decades we have struggled but managed to live together
with some relative understanding. Now of course we have a new group that can be singled
out as a threat. Governments, religious groups and others can use this to strengthen their
position in society. If the masses are frightened, they cling to the words of those who give
them comfort like the old feudal days and mentally we appear to be going back there.
I think it is a much bigger problem and this incident is the tip of the iceberg. It is a sad period
in our history. Our governments didn't do their due diligence, and let the bad in with a vast
majority of the good and the innocent people get targeted, and painted with the same brush.
We should ask ourselves how we would like to be treated by those who don't know us and
respond accordingly, I find it very hard to hate people I don't know and have nothing to me.
Down deep I think most people think the same.
anti Muslim especially in the south. There are cases where entire communities are
demonstrating to prevent Mosques and other institutions being established in their
midst. This is about to become an election issues and if the social right movements
have their way, constitution be damned. And before some get upset about me talking
about the radical right, they are crazy, and so is the radical left.
If you look at Europe there are nationalistic groups in Britain, Holland, Germany, France
and Belgium that want these people deported because they don't fit in. Now its fine to
say the pilot should be fired, and there may be Merritt for that but look at the other concern.
The pilot is responsible for his passengers, if he feels there are those who may be a risk
to those passengers, he is the captain who is in charge of his craft.
Secondly more and more passengers are becoming vocal about being on flights with a
society they don't trust. I personally don't care, I fly with people in traditional dress and
think well they got clearance just like I did. But then I am not afraid of people who are
different, or as some say the people with the funny hats. We live in a society where there
is diversity, as long as they don't complain about me I don't care what they do or think.
The problem is much deeper than a pilot refusing to fly. I shows the level of fear the
governments have instilled in people. We are returning to a time of the old hatred and
bigotry that once dominated the landscape. Don't think so?
First it was Black People, then native Indians, then the Irish, and the after that the Eastern
Europeans, the Italians, the Chinese, the Japanese, then it was the Doukhobors and the
list went on and on. For nearly four decades we have struggled but managed to live together
with some relative understanding. Now of course we have a new group that can be singled
out as a threat. Governments, religious groups and others can use this to strengthen their
position in society. If the masses are frightened, they cling to the words of those who give
them comfort like the old feudal days and mentally we appear to be going back there.
I think it is a much bigger problem and this incident is the tip of the iceberg. It is a sad period
in our history. Our governments didn't do their due diligence, and let the bad in with a vast
majority of the good and the innocent people get targeted, and painted with the same brush.
We should ask ourselves how we would like to be treated by those who don't know us and
respond accordingly, I find it very hard to hate people I don't know and have nothing to me.
Down deep I think most people think the same.
This is not an excuse but the article says the pilot did that because some of the passengers could be uncomfortable. Maybe he has had bad past experience under these circumstances. It will be a long time before people don't notice, dislike or fear Muslims, thank heavens not everyone is like that but there will always be some.
Impotent anger noted.
Not enough time to explain to you what travelling by aircraft is like-maybe you could google it.
That's how the system works!
That's their business.
That's what the US has become - if you happen to be a Muslim, you will have to accept that you are likely to not be allowed to fly, because it makes some people uncomfortable. Interesting times, in the 'land of the free'.
We'll have to wait for the details of this case, but it's funny how it's news when it happens to Muslims, but when it happens to Jews or Arianna Huffington...yawn.
I'll be surprised if it was just Muslims on a plane. There was likely some behaviour involved.
Actually this happened a couple of years ago as I recall that time I believe it was a
flight out of Denver but I can't remember where to. So many people are afraid of
Muslims and they are hostile to them which does not make sense.
The Western values are touted as the best way in the world, yet so many feel so
inferior to those they do not understand. Discrimination and hatred are cousins
to the main problem Fear. If our way is superior or even equal why is it that so
many, have an inferiority complex?
In this country we have a golden opportunity to demonstrate to the world that we
are a society of compassion and understanding, but a society of rules as well. I
am not saying we bend over backwards to accommodate others from afar, but we
at least have to give them a chance.
The problem is the fear fostered by governments has become an obsession. When
people join community groups to deny others to build a place of worship we are on a
sad road and a dangerous one as well. I agree we have to be vigilant, and be aware.
but to subscribe to feat hate and bigotry is not the answer.
Someone stated its America's business. You are only partly correct, America has
been going about demanding others change their ways within their boarders, and in
some cases, even topple other regimes, in order to force change, now they can't
have it both ways. I do not think the pilot should be fired either, the pilot is responsible
for the lives of their passengers and if he believes there is danger on the plane he must
act accordingly. What really needs to happen is the law must be clarified to protect the
authority of the pilot. The real solution is for the law, the government and the community
examine their behavior and the law to step in and clarify what the law is, and administer
the law equally and without favour.
flight out of Denver but I can't remember where to. So many people are afraid of
Muslims and they are hostile to them which does not make sense.
The Western values are touted as the best way in the world, yet so many feel so
inferior to those they do not understand. Discrimination and hatred are cousins
to the main problem Fear. If our way is superior or even equal why is it that so
many, have an inferiority complex?
In this country we have a golden opportunity to demonstrate to the world that we
are a society of compassion and understanding, but a society of rules as well. I
am not saying we bend over backwards to accommodate others from afar, but we
at least have to give them a chance.
The problem is the fear fostered by governments has become an obsession. When
people join community groups to deny others to build a place of worship we are on a
sad road and a dangerous one as well. I agree we have to be vigilant, and be aware.
but to subscribe to feat hate and bigotry is not the answer.
Someone stated its America's business. You are only partly correct, America has
been going about demanding others change their ways within their boarders, and in
some cases, even topple other regimes, in order to force change, now they can't
have it both ways. I do not think the pilot should be fired either, the pilot is responsible
for the lives of their passengers and if he believes there is danger on the plane he must
act accordingly. What really needs to happen is the law must be clarified to protect the
authority of the pilot. The real solution is for the law, the government and the community
examine their behavior and the law to step in and clarify what the law is, and administer
the law equally and without favour.