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Goober

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I really hate to say it, but well said mhz.
Now it is really good to see that we can get on topic and discuss. I only told my wife about this. No one else. I can see that day, and have seen that in my mind like a video on replay to many times to count. And yes it bothers me to no end to say the least..
 

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It's called guilt, in your case it would be false guilt. Help was on the way and I'm quite sure there are some rules and regs that should prevent you from charging into a known minefield, if not there should be. Had nobody been around then it may be slightly different but there were people there and medical help was on the way. If anybody should have been going in it would be the Police first. Inthe nest war try for a desk job instead of combat patrol.
Hope you can come to terms with this, grief is supposed to be a 30 day thing and if it goes past that you need to try and come to terms with it. I don't have any advice on how you would do that.
 

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Now it is really good to see that we can get on topic and discuss. I only told my wife about this. No one else. I can see that day, and have seen that in my mind like a video on replay to many times to count. And yes it bothers me to no end to say the least..


I have no problem with voicing my beliefs. What I have a problem with is having those beliefs shyte on.
 

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I have no problem with voicing my beliefs. What I have a problem with is having those beliefs shyte on.
I agree with you. Now I am sure MHZ will faint.

It's called guilt, in your case it would be false guilt. Help was on the way and I'm quite sure there are some rules and regs that should prevent you from charging into a known minefield, if not there should be. Had nobody been around then it may be slightly different but there were people there and medical help was on the way. If anybody should have been going in it would be the Police first. Inthe nest war try for a desk job instead of combat patrol.
Hope you can come to terms with this, grief is supposed to be a 30 day thing and if it goes past that you need to try and come to terms with it. I don't have any advice on how you would do that.

I am retired now. It is not grief, it is one of those moments in life that haunt you. Life goes on, and I have a good life.
But thank you for your post.
 

lone wolf

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Now it is really good to see that we can get on topic and discuss. I only told my wife about this. No one else. I can see that day, and have seen that in my mind like a video on replay to many times to count. And yes it bothers me to no end to say the least..
Sounds to me like you're the one who should be doing the forgiving - of yourself. I doubt if anyone's gods consider smarts and caution as sins.
 

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Religion - Questions

We will have to start with God creating the earth and of course Man/Woman -

Man was created to share heaven with him, to glorify him and by use of the tools of good, to make earth a better place for everyone.

Some facts: We are spirits first, then assigned a body making us a dual nature.

Earth is not our true home, heaven is.

We are created here on earth to fulfill a task.

So those that are afflicted with a Mental Illness and cannot according to Western Laws be held accountable for such crimes as murder and others - Does God consider that he created these people with these afflictions
yes, but they are afflictions to us. An ant glorifies God by his existence and doing his part in the creation of fertile soil and knows nothing of the foot that could squash him. We glorify God by administering medication, or wheeling a vegetative person to a window to see the sun and birds. We share in their suffering and offer pillows for comfort and assist by prayers for him.

do they go to Heaven or Hell?
Personally, they will be measured to the degree of vincible or invincible ignorance, to what capacity they were able to use
the messages of their conscience if any, and how they were able to respond to the inspiration that the Holy Spirit bestows on every person.

In a social context, our mandate is always to assist them to the degree they need with love and kindness, to ensure comforts of life to the best WE are to appreciate them, not to what THEY experience to appreciate. For instance a turtured handicapped person knows nothing but the pain and moral or immoral actions done to him and is to a degree incapable in analyzing his situation, but WE can. The oness and responsibility is on us. Our ultimate task is to glorify God by offering to him the gift of kindness and generosity to these people, even to the point of denying our own comforts. By the same token, we will be measured by the same standards and to the ability and circumstances we were able to contribute.)

Does taking a life defending yourself condemn you to Hell?-


While living in this mortal body, no one is assigned to hell. We do realize the predicament that a severed relation(a state of mortal sin) with God implies, and that is we cannot share in his beatific vision, and in heaven there is no other category. So this is why
with a humble and sincere heart(criteria) we make use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation to retore the severed bond with God.

As God created Man & Woman - he also created homosexuality - asexual as well - Are they condemned to Hellfire?
God made them did he not?


In scripture God gave us a hint more than once of what he thinks of this behavior. Without even the specifics, we already know God's stance. It's as if God and another person were brought to a table for discussion on the issue. As they sit down God says, "Before we go any further, I want to tell you this behavor disgusts me". What more could the other party say? What remains is logic and reason to get the answer, almost forensic by it's process of elimination. Could he go on and state he disagrees? Whatever he decides to do from this point says something and depends on how he feels about God.

So wise has he is, he can say, "OK, so I know God is good and wishes me to be in heaven with him. Check. I know he also said he would not give me tests I could not win that could not be won with the concerted effort of the angels and the saints. Check. We know that God doesn't deliberately create evil beings. Check. We know it can't have a natural source since God by his stance would be in opposition to himself. Check. Ok, then that leaves one more possible, that another sinister influence is at work. One which makes use of deception, to make use of the poor relation the victim has with God thereby being assigned a lessor compliment of evil fighting graces. Check. It would be a being who can create subtle seemingly innocent incidences of experimentation, to entice his natural propensity to concupicience and present delectable habit forming acts and gain on the strength of the last slight, Check.

So now he knows the cause and knows the effects. He may have gone has low in the spiral that he has come to identify with the act. By now the soul is so bombarded with confusion, he cannot take the time for clear discernment. The ruse is almost complete, only a glimmer of God's graces he receives. The being has made him believe he IS the sin. Now he will accept any corrupt labels of permanency such has he's "Gay". Societies secular views are no help to him. Whole industries cater to state of this severance to God. He has come to the point that the delectable has completely taken over, so much so he now contemplates in tarnishing the Sacrament of Matrimony reserved for couples of the opposite sex.

None of this is missed by the being. He doesn't want to disrupt the hard work he accomplished, so he withdraws knowing this person is lost if he does nothing. So the being draws back, the victim settles in to a life of relative peace, reassigned to the temporary substantial delectable things this world provides with another of the same ruse, wand a society welcoming of this new behaviour. The being is reassured no opposition to what comes next through compounding, and that is to corrupt the minds of the innocents through adoption.

God words, "This act is an abomination" (Lev) is faded in his mind now. Some will fight by trusting in God and following his remedy and will slowly see the ruse he almost fell into. Through the use of the Rosary, some will go to their heavenly Mother for help, and she will willingly oblige, because we are all Her children.

Andy
 
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Colpy

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George Jonas as God :) :

We’re urged to dream big, and I always follow instructions. The other night I dreamt that I was God. I’m neither religious nor megalomaniacal, as far as I know — at least, no doctor ever hinted at it. Overweight, yes; megalomaniacal, no. But there I was, reaching for the top.
It was a bit weird, even for a dream. I sat in a celestial electronic office, going through my mail.

Read on, well worth it, an excellent argument for the existence of God...... :)

George Jonas: It ain?t easy being God | Full Comment | National Post
 

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George Jonas as God :) :



Read on, well worth it, an excellent argument for the existence of God...... :)

George Jonas: It ain?t easy being God | Full Comment | National Post
Comment on your new avatar.
May I suggest you decorate the walls with foam (in the shape that an egg container) to muffle the sound somewhat, saves you saying 'What?' so many times.

How about a closeup of the target you are holding, just to prove you can hit what you are aiming for.
 

Dexter Sinister

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...an excellent argument for the existence of God....
Not really, it's just a somewhat more subtle than usual version of Thomas Aquinas' teleological argument, a.k.a. the argument from design, with hints of the god of the gaps argument. Both are easily shown to be vacuous.