Apparently it was "conspiracy to launder money" which is pretty damn vague.
Ah well. As long as it isn't me.
Ah well. As long as it isn't me.
Injustice: Prince of Pot Denied Transfer to Cdn Jail
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No, it proves that Canada has an extradition treaty with the US when Canadian citizens hide behind the border and deliberately break Americvan laws. I realize that Canada does not recognize all laws in the United States, but in this case the courts agreed with the Americans. The matter was in the court for months and Canadian courts decided that the Americans had a viable case. In a sense, Emery was tried twice - once in Canada at his extradition hearing and once in the US at his criminal trial. So far as I have been able to determine there was no politial involvement in the trial. If there was it would be a clear violation of Canada's own laws that require division of powers.
80% of Canadians didn't support the extradition. The courts never spoke for Canadians one bit, they only opened the door to some very spooky possibilities.
Emery took the guilty plea to keep two friends from going down hard. That takes serious balls to not be a rat and take the heat of a bull**** charge.
BTW there was no conviction of "conspiracy to launder money" it was dropped.
He made an agreement with U.S. prosecutors that he would plead guilty to one charge of drug distribution in exchange for a five-year sentence.
He didn't distribute any drugs. Seed contains no psychoactive chemicals.
How about all the gun runners/smugglers from the US who ship weapons into our country which directly tie into many of our gun-related crimes?
Tell me the last time you heard the Canadian Government or Courts demand from the US to extradite one of their citizens for committing crimes in our nation without even stepping foot in it. When was the last case where the US shipped one of their gun smugglers to our country to face charges and jail time?
I looked for the answer a couple of days ago and found nothing. The closest I could find was during a particular case the government alerted US officials about one of their citizens smuggling weapons that were directly linked to crimes in our nation.... but it ended there. There was no information on whether the US officials ever bothered looking into the matter, let alone if they ever charged/arrested the person in question.
Emery sold some seeds on the web to some people in the US..... they weren't even plants, yet the US considers each seed as one fully grown plant and charge as such..... yet anybody who ever grew a flower, tomato plant or apple tree.... frig, even a kid in grade 3 growing a potato or bean for a class project could tell you that not every seed is assured to grow, let alone even sprout a leaf.
And pot doesn't even kill people, be that directly or indirectly..... but those weapons being shipped across our border from the US do.... they're designed specifically to do so, so where are all these gun runners being extradited to our country to face the law?
Hmmm... there's a tumble weed blowing by, but nobody lined up for extradition..... how odd.
People who murder and rape get lesser jail times then Emery, and they won't even send him back here to serve the rest of his sentence.
And people think that's a brilliant idea?
If Emery is really that bad of a person and that much of a danger to society, especially towards the US, wouldn't you guys think that it'd be a bad idea to send him to a medium security US prison where he is surrounded by US criminals who know the US system and could possibly end up as future contacts whom can ship more pot into the US for him??
I assume you meant "Break the law in a foreign nation."
If so, then for starters, he wasn't IN any foreign nation, but here in Canada.
Secondly, he wasn't breaking any laws here in Canada and if the US really wanted to arrest and send someone to jail, they should have done that to their own citizens who were buying from him online, who were the ones directly breaking US laws and who were in the US.
They didn't want to do that because they're too damn lazy and it'd cost too much money, so instead they went after our weak-ass government and demanded that they turn Emery over.... while we never hear anything about those he sold to being sent to jail.
After all, they must have had a list of US citizens he sold to and if they had that list, why aren't they all lining up for their time in front of a judge?
And let's focus a bit on the whole "Pot Seeds are Illegal" thing shall we?
The seeds contain no THC elements and the chances of someone getting high from them are moot..... sending someone to jail for selling seeds makes about as much sense as sending someone to jail for selling copper that's later used to make the jackets for bullets made by someone else.
Quick, let's lock up every single person tied to manufacturing and distributing copper products, because they can be used to manufacture bullets, which in turn are used in firearms, which in turn were used to kill little Suzie during a botched drive-by. :roll:
Thank gawd we have the rule of law to prevent mob rule.
When they're caught, they're charged, tried and found either guilty or innocent.
Why should he be transferred to a Canadian jail, he committed a crime in both the U.S. and Canada. No, you don't understand just because pot is treated as candy up there it is against still against Canadian and American law and our two countries do cooperate.
"Marijuana possession in Canada (in any province) is still ILLEGAL, no matter what the quantity. Despite what others have said before me, there are no provinces in Canada where you will get a ticket and a fine like a traffic ticket. If you are charged, it is criminally and you have to go to court (where you will get your fine)."
"Marijuana possession in Canada (in any province) is still ILLEGAL, no matter what the quantity. Despite what others have said before me, there are no provinces in Canada where you will get a ticket and a fine like a traffic ticket. If you are charged, it is criminally and you have to go to court (where you will get your fine)."
Sometimes when I read some of the comments here I have to remind myself that the people making them are actually adults and not 14 year old teeny boppers who don't know sh!t from shinola. If you start mucking in another Countries business you should expect to reap the benefits of that endeavor. Emery pushed the envelope and as a result he got nabbed. Plain and simple.
I would no more hold him up as some great martyr to the cause than I would feel particularly sorry for the knuckle head who tries to sneak some Hash out of Turkey. We are not subservient to the United States, we are simply extending the same courtesy that we expect from them. I suppose we could become isolationist and destroy our relationship with them, but then who would pay all the taxes when a large part of the Nation is out of work due to trade embargo.
If you want to change the laws in Canada I suggest you become an activist here. If you want to be a moron and screw with another Country, especially when your own Country's laws against marijuana use and distribution are still on the books then I guess you get what you deserve. I don't particularly care for the archaic practices in a lot Islamic nations, but I'm certainly not stupid enough to fly in to Saudi Arabia to try and organize a empowerment rally for women.
Emery needs to get over himself and once released rethink his flawed strategy. Perhaps running for government than acting like a knucklehead might further his cause.`
I would no more hold him up as some great martyr to the cause than I would feel particularly sorry for the knuckle head who tries to sneak some Hash out of Turkey. We are not subservient to the United States, we are simply extending the same courtesy that we expect from them. I suppose we could become isolationist and destroy our relationship with them, but then who would pay all the taxes when a large part of the Nation is out of work due to trade embargo.
If you want to change the laws in Canada I suggest you become an activist here. If you want to be a moron and screw with another Country, especially when your own Country's laws against marijuana use and distribution are still on the books then I guess you get what you deserve. I don't particularly care for the archaic practices in a lot Islamic nations, but I'm certainly not stupid enough to fly in to Saudi Arabia to try and organize a empowerment rally for women.
Emery needs to get over himself and once released rethink his flawed strategy. Perhaps running for government than acting like a knucklehead might further his cause.`
Anyone with money and a good lawyer can obfuscate a drug possession charge down to nothing. You'd have to really piss off the authorities before someone with money sees a day in jail.
In general, the current laws mostly punish poor people and drug addicts and does little to reduce or eliminate drug use. On the contrary, the "War oon Drug Addicts" resulted in equal penalties for marijuana, heroin and cocaine possession. As a result, the "War on Drug Addicts" encouraged smugglers to switch from marijuana to coke and heroin.
If you were an immoral smuggler, which choice would you make?
a) Marijuana for $0.1 million
b) Coke for $1 million
or
c) Heroin for $10 million
Which partially explains "War on Drug Addicts" associated flood of cocaine into the US.
IMO, the US and Canada spent far too much money on Emery's trial specifically and marijuana prohibition in general. Emery's case is a good example of the exceptional... exceptionally bad judgment on behalf of authorities and exceptionally wasteful of taxpayer's money. The waste and abuse of authority in Emery's case is typical of the waste of law enforcement resources associated with the "War on Drug Addicts" in general.
For the record:
I disagree with Emery or anyone else selling seeds or marijuana directly to anyone.
Recreational drug producers (tobacco, alcohol, marijuana..) should only be allowed to sell directly to a government monopoly with the exception of government regulated amounts at their production facility for tourism purposes only.
Consumers should only be allowed to purchase a smallish but reasonable quantity of recreational drugs from resellers who purchase the drug directly from the government.
Drug taxes should pay for all societal costs associated with drug use and pay down the deficit.
Recreational drug marketing should be heavily regulated. People who don't want to see it, should not see it. They should not even have to deal with drug consumption, advertising or promotion. Ideally, the only difference they should notice as a result of drug regulation and taxation are new hospitals and schools.
I'm not sure how other drugs like coke and heroin should be handled. I imagine each drug would have to be treated uniquely based on their symptoms and side effects. I imagine the more addictive the drug, the easier it should be to get addicts into drug rehab programs by using the drug as bait. Come and get it! Slam.
The current system results in uncontrolled and unregulated drug consumption. What we can measure, we can control and vs versa. Laws and policies regulating drug use should be based on the principle of least harm... to society and the individual.
In general, the current laws mostly punish poor people and drug addicts and does little to reduce or eliminate drug use. On the contrary, the "War oon Drug Addicts" resulted in equal penalties for marijuana, heroin and cocaine possession. As a result, the "War on Drug Addicts" encouraged smugglers to switch from marijuana to coke and heroin.
If you were an immoral smuggler, which choice would you make?
a) Marijuana for $0.1 million
b) Coke for $1 million
or
c) Heroin for $10 million
Which partially explains "War on Drug Addicts" associated flood of cocaine into the US.
IMO, the US and Canada spent far too much money on Emery's trial specifically and marijuana prohibition in general. Emery's case is a good example of the exceptional... exceptionally bad judgment on behalf of authorities and exceptionally wasteful of taxpayer's money. The waste and abuse of authority in Emery's case is typical of the waste of law enforcement resources associated with the "War on Drug Addicts" in general.
For the record:
I disagree with Emery or anyone else selling seeds or marijuana directly to anyone.
Recreational drug producers (tobacco, alcohol, marijuana..) should only be allowed to sell directly to a government monopoly with the exception of government regulated amounts at their production facility for tourism purposes only.
Consumers should only be allowed to purchase a smallish but reasonable quantity of recreational drugs from resellers who purchase the drug directly from the government.
Drug taxes should pay for all societal costs associated with drug use and pay down the deficit.
Recreational drug marketing should be heavily regulated. People who don't want to see it, should not see it. They should not even have to deal with drug consumption, advertising or promotion. Ideally, the only difference they should notice as a result of drug regulation and taxation are new hospitals and schools.
I'm not sure how other drugs like coke and heroin should be handled. I imagine each drug would have to be treated uniquely based on their symptoms and side effects. I imagine the more addictive the drug, the easier it should be to get addicts into drug rehab programs by using the drug as bait. Come and get it! Slam.
The current system results in uncontrolled and unregulated drug consumption. What we can measure, we can control and vs versa. Laws and policies regulating drug use should be based on the principle of least harm... to society and the individual.
RE: Money Laundering
I suspect that most if not all of Emery's after tax profits went to marijuana activist causes, which probably included Emery's many marijuana activist related expenses (food, travel, entertainment, marijuana...). However if Emery profited personally from his activism and didn't pay his taxes, I'd have a problem with that.
I suspect that most if not all of Emery's after tax profits went to marijuana activist causes, which probably included Emery's many marijuana activist related expenses (food, travel, entertainment, marijuana...). However if Emery profited personally from his activism and didn't pay his taxes, I'd have a problem with that.
Do you understand the difference between tax evasion and money laundering?
Or is this just a clever ploy to divert the topic away from where your argument fell apart?
So here's the deal. I got a bad post rating for my post and I think I'm going to need to take some time off.
I mean a counter argument would have been tough enough, but a negative rating. Oh my god, the humility.
Anyone have a joint?
I mean a counter argument would have been tough enough, but a negative rating. Oh my god, the humility.
Anyone have a joint?
Joint? What's that?
Depends, are you a DEA agent?
That was so funny I just had to give you a bonus point for honesty.
Depends, are you a DEA agent?
That was so funny I just had to give you a bonus point for honesty.
Since you didn't ask for my papers I reserve the right to 'resist', exit stage left....
Well I hav'nt followed this case closely so maybe I am missing something.
My understanding is that he is charged in US law because he sent seeds into the US to fill orders.
Well, he is Canadian and obeyed Canadian laws. It is not his responsibility to comply with US laws when he is in Canada. If the US do not want his seeds, they can stop it at the boarder.
It seems to me the only ones who are guilty of breaking US laws are the ones in the US who placed and received his order.
Anyways, somehow, this does not pass the smell test for me.
Maybe I'm missing something??
I think we have enough "Emorys" in Gov't already. Often kind of wondered if maybe he isn't Pierre Trudeau"s illegitimate son.
He was and remains a political prisoner. Our government under spurious laws, put someone in prison for their political beliefs. You can buy seeds today have them shipped to the US no problem. No DEA agents charging them, no Canadian police arresting them, no federal ministers extraditing them. Google Cannabis Seed Sales, see how difficult it is.
It isn't about stopping seed sales in the US or Canada or money or anything else. Just politics.
If you don't oppose this, then you support the idea of political prisoners and using the justice system against those who oppose you politically. Saying that Emery is a criminal, money laundering, selling drugs, organized crime, because he plead guilty to "conspiracy to manufacture marijuana" officially. That it meant that his wife and friend would not be charged and he would serve 5 years, back here in Canada if the Conservative government didn't nix that idea later on.
He wasn't in the US.
There is a reason the Cannabis laws in Ontario were struct down. Again.
To many people it relieves some pretty serious problems. It's medicine, one that the government can't manage to provide even when they try to.
The drug war doesn't work. Why support it?