Looks Like the Dreaded Spring Election is on!

[PoliticalNick]

Please try to follow the hierarchy of power and authority as it really exists.

The Crown grants authority to the British parliament to control the empire (commonwealth). The crown also grants authority to the Canadian parliament backed up by an act of British parliament. The feds then give authority to the provinces. The provinces in turn grant authority to municipalities and cities etc.

Your idea that a provincial charter, or constitution if you like to call it that, overrides the feds or the Crown is incorrect unless you are claiming the province is a soveriegn nation which it is not.

 

[Unforgiven]

I must be hard of hearing as the so-called 'howls' from the electorate have yet to reach my ears. What I am hearing is a lot of grumbling from my friends and neighbors who think the election is a huge waste of money at a time when we need a steady and capable government to guide us through the last of the recession. The Conservative government is the only choice for Canadians who care about our economy, IMHO.

I've noticed only the Reform faithful are the one's worried for all the other parties going into this election. That most of you have already decided that Harper has a majority, that spending 45 billion ($1285 for every man woman and child in Canada) while we're having to go borrow 35 billion is just plain stupid. Hardly capable by any stretch of the imagination. For that matter, the only party that has a track record for balancing the books is the Liberal party, who left a nice surplus and consecutive years of balanced budgets that the Harper government promptly squandered. Now that we're deep in debt, not even close to being able to afford what we have now and facing the prospect of blowing a huge amount of tax payers money on prisons and fighter jets we don't need, the future doesn't look very bright at all.

As for steady, the only steady thing the Neocons have done is sneak and cheat. If they were above board, they would not be in contempt of parliament, being investigated for election fraud and censured for lying about changing signed documents.

 

[Mowich]

That's the way I see it, Mowich but I think you and I are from the era where the likes of Corduroy seem to think stupidity dwells. :lol:

Being from another 'era' might just be our ace in the hole, JLM, should the Doomsday people ever be proved right. The skills we learned 'way back when' - simple things like how to add, subtract, multiply and divide - without a calculator - will be invaluable, IMHO. :smile:

Having lived through and voted in every single election since I was first able too, and having taken the time to actually study party policy before I chose one, I think that I have a pretty good handle on what is and what is not good for my country. Governments come and go, some good, some bad, some just plain ugly (Chretien's last one comes to mind) - they all make mistakes and screw-up royally. What I liked most about the Reform party and what I value most about the Conservatives is their business-model approach to our economy. I think they still have a long way to go in perfecting that approach but then they were a minority government. Were it not for a recession having been foisted upon us, the economy of our country would be in much better shape. As it is, our economy is the best in the world and we are admired around the world for our firm stewardship. IMHO. :smile:

 

[Durry]

Anyways the idea of a made in Canada price for oil is really stupid.
Liberal As*hole tried to do this in the 1980's.

GREED, is good, bring it ooonnnnnn!!!!

I do know how business works under current law and happen to disagree with most of it.
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So now, do you classify yourself as a genuine loser ??

 

[PoliticalNick]

Being from another 'era' might just be our ace in the hole, JLM, should the Doomsday people ever be proved right. The skills we learned 'way back when' - simple things like how to add, subtract, multiply and divide - without a calculator - will be invaluable, IMHO. :smile:

I can't disagree with this.

Were it not for a recession having been foisted upon us, the economy of our country would be in much better shape.

The recession was caused by the policies of the conservitives giving corporations and the wealthy a free pass on conducting themselves in a moral and ethical manner. It is the complete lack of any regulation of these entities to control their greed and force social responsibility that has got us where we are today.

 

[Durry]

Just asking ??

 

[Colpy]

Please try to follow the hierarchy of power and authority as it really exists.

The Crown grants authority to the British parliament to control the empire (commonwealth). The crown also grants authority to the Canadian parliament backed up by an act of British parliament. The feds then give authority to the provinces. The provinces in turn grant authority to municipalities and cities etc.

Your idea that a provincial charter, or constitution if you like to call it that, overrides the feds or the Crown is incorrect unless you are claiming the province is a soveriegn nation which it is not.

No, this is a federation, run by rule of law.........which even the federal government must obey.......and the over riding law of the nation is the constitution..........which exists at the pleasure of the people..........and requires the approval of the people to be altered.

Man you have no idea what you're talking about, that becomes more clear with every post on this subject.

BTW, my degree is not in "Communications"......it is a major in History, with a minor in Political Science. You would do well to do a little reading in both.

 

[PoliticalNick]

So now, do you classify yourself as a genuine loser ??

If me not ignoring my moral and ethical social responsibility makes me a loser in your eyes I am not really concerned about it. The only losers in a greed based society are the 99% of the people that only have 5% of the wealth and I am quite happy to be with the majority. It makes it a lot easier to look in the mirror each morning.

No, this is a federation, run by rule of law.........which even the federal government must obey.......and the over riding law of the nation is the constitution..........which exists at the pleasure of the people..........and requires the approval of the people to be altered.

Quite funny... the constitution is a royal proclaimation propped up by and act of British parliament, never ratified by referendum of the people, therfore only a statute. The ruling class is quite happy to hear you have fallen for their misinformation.

BTW, my degree is not in "Communications"......it is a major in History, with a minor in Political Science. You would do well to do a little reading in both

And mine is a Bachelor of Commerce, not communications. Try to at least know the difference

 

[Durry]

If me not ignoring my moral and ethical social responsibility makes me a loser in your eyes I am not really concerned about it. The only losers in a greed based society are the 99% of the people that only have 5% of the wealth and I am quite happy to be with the majority.
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Fair enough, my point tho is that greed should motivate the majority so that they have at least 50% of the wealth. Then there would be a lot more people to help those who need it. As well, I'm sure they would look a lot better when they looked in the mirror.

Remember, those that have little or nothing can't help anybody.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Fair enough, my point tho is that greed should motivate the majority so that they have at least 50% of the wealth. Then there would be a lot more people to help those who need it. As well, I'm sure they would look a lot better when they looked in the mirror.

So we can agree then that a more fair and equitable distribution of the wealth is better for everyone and that the out of control greed of the few at the expense of the general population is bad.

Remember, those that have little or nothing can't help anybody.

Can't argue with this.

 

[JLM]

Fair enough, my point tho is that greed should motivate the majority so that they have at least 50% of the wealth. Then there would be a lot more people to help those who need it. As well, I'm sure they would look a lot better when they looked in the mirror.

Remember, those that have little or nothing can't help anybody.

Including themselves quite often. Remember the old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted", or is it "partying"?

 

[Durry]

So we can agree then that a more fair and equitable distribution of the wealth is better for everyone and that the out of control greed of the few at the expense of the general population is bad.
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I think if we agree on anything it is that there is a large majority that has to be more motivated in order to acquire more wealth so they can do more for others.
And my (one of the ways) way of motivating more people to acquire this wealth is thru greed. At least this is what motivates me !!!

 

[PoliticalNick]

I think if we agree on anything it is that there is a large majority that has to be more motivated in order to acquire more wealth so they can do more for others.
And my (one of the ways) way of motivating more people to acquire this wealth is thru greed. At least this is what motivates me !!!

OK, but given the current taxation and economic policies in Canada and the US that favor those who are already wealthy and make it difficult for the rest to do anything but try to keep their families housed & fed I don't see how greed, or any other motivation, will create any change. It is the system that is broken and needs fixing not the people who live within it.

 

[Goober]

Changing the topic, my apologies.

What are your opinions on this? 3 Amigos or 3 Goofs ?????

John Ivison: Coalition looking likely as Harper fights for a majority | Full Comment | National Post

But Stephen Harper’s time as a leader of a minority government is up. Even if he wins the most seats in Parliament, it is inconceivable that the opposition parties would allow him to govern. There is simply too much bad blood and ill-will for Mr. Harper to be able to prise one opposition party away from the others.

In that event, the Governor-General if anyone else could form a government. It is becoming ever more clear that Michael Ignatieff and Jack Layton, backed by Gilles Duceppe, would be happy to revive their 2008 coalition and give the Tories the boot for good.
The NDP leader explicitly endorsed a coalition with the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois in his scrum in the foyer of the House of Commons Wednesday. “I have said I will work to ensure the ideas we campaigned on have the best possible chance of being implemented in Parliament. I will reach out to other parties who are willing to work with us,” he said.

Mr. Ignatieff, wary of walking into this potential minefield, refused to rule out a coalition, instead wittering on about the election being a choice between walking through blue doors or red doors.

But the Liberal leader knows his chances of becoming prime minister without the NDP’s help are slim to none. In the past , he has defended coalitions as “perfectly legitimate” and said he’d be prepared to lead one after the next election. Clearly, in his mind it would not be a coup if his party came second and tossed the largest party from government. While Mr. Ignatieff is right that to do so would be legitimate from a constitutional point of view, Canadians are used to governments being formed by the party that wins the election. A similar situation in the U.K. last year, where the second place Labour Party and third-placed Liberal Democrats held discussions about trying to form a government, was met with apprehension by voters.

Concerns about such constitutional nuances will quickly move from the dusty offices of procedural experts to the water cooler as we move inexorably toward an election. The Liberals introduced their no confidence motion Wednesday, to be debated Friday, and the other opposition parties have already indicated their support.

 

[Durry]

OK, but given the current taxation and economic policies in Canada and the US that favor those who are already wealthy and make it difficult for the rest to do anything but try to keep their families housed & fed I don't see how greed, or any other motivation, will create any change. It is the system that is broken and needs fixing not the people who live within it.

Yes, I agree, that if you already have money, it's easier to make more money.
But, no, I don't agree with you that you can't accumulate wealth without starter money. It just takes hard work, motivation, taking some risk, using some knowledge and skills and working your ass off. Anyone I think can do it. ...I know !!

Oh, and BTW, it takes a lot of sacrifices !!

 

[Goober]

OK, but given the current taxation and economic policies in Canada and the US that favor those who are already wealthy and make it difficult for the rest to do anything but try to keep their families housed & fed I don't see how greed, or any other motivation, will create any change. It is the system that is broken and needs fixing not the people who live within it.

Pull the stats on who pays the high rate of taxes in canada on a percantage basis. Then take the numbers for low income - - it is the middle class that gets hit the hardest - Check the stats.

 

[Durry]

Pull the stats on who pays the high rate of taxes in canada on a percantage basis. Then take the numbers for low income - - it is the middle class that gets hit the hardest - Check the stats.

Your probably right on who pays the most tax.
But it is the high income earners who creat a lot of the jobs.

 

[Goober]

Your probably right on who pays the most tax.
But it is the high income earners who creat a lot of the jobs.

Prove that point - Or is that opinion?

 

[gerryh]

I know one thing, there is no way on God's green earth that I'll be voting for my local conservative candidate.

 

[Durry]

Prove that point - Or is that opinion?

Well I hav'nt done the research myself, but this what is often stated in the business magazines.

If you think about it, intuitively it should be correct. If you have bags of money, what are going to do with it??
You will spend it, obviously, this will provide spin off work for others.
Or, maybe you start a business ??? Who do you think owns all the various fast food joints, for instance, and they all creat a lot of jobs, even if they are small.
Or any other kind of business, mostly run by people who have at least some money !!
It all helps !!